OT: Current Affairs and Politics

[JokerEel]

You seem to believe what you want to believe.

I have noticed this.. I think it's the first thing he sees on Google and takes that as gospel

Just by going by his last few Posts...

 

[Gronk]

But hey they were Jewish so who gives a shit right?

You’re misrepresenting me.

All I have been saying all week is that Israel don’t have clean hands. The world knows that. The UN and our government have rammed that home for decades.

Also we need to draw a line of distinction between the innocent people of Palestine and the Terrorist group, Hamas. What they did to innocent israelites was as abhorrent as any act of terrorism in history. Unprovoked and without warning, large scale murder.

Ironically, there Is unrivalled support for Israel in the USA and a curious support for Russia in the Ukraine invasion.

Now where did Hamas get there weapons from ?

Where Did Hamas Get Rare RPG-7s with Tandem-Charge EFP, Anti-Tank Weapons and MANPADS | Defense Express

Hamas Is actively using weapons from the Russian Federation, Iran, and North Korea, and in some cases, those are modern systems, such as the Kornet anti-tank guided missiles

en.defence-ua.com

 

[Gronk]

You seem to believe what you want to believe.

For example ?

 

[Gronk]

The comment was "How much more money is Albo wasting on this futile exercise."

The referendum is the exercise .

Here is AAP agreeing with your left wing claim Gronk that the Tax payer isn't putting money towards either side but it's still costing us 350+....

Budget papers burst voice funding claim | AAP

www.aap.com.au

You are good with google btw lots of quotes on the cost..

So really it was your opinion that that referendum is a waste of money.

 

[Twizzle]

Just got a phone call from a number i didn't know, figured it may be work related so picked up.

Voice recording of some lady telling me i should vote Yes because thats what aboriginal people want.

Talk about desperate.

How much more money is Albo wasting on this futile exercise.

Call it off now and save the wages of all the bloody AEC staff and give that to aboriginal education and welfare programs - that would do more for them than the voice will.

you are assuming that you know what they want and taking away their voice to communicate to the Govt what they actually want

shouldn't it be up to the First Nations people to have a voice so they can prioritize their needs rather than have non indigenous people tell them what they think they need

I don't think you understand what the Voice is all about

 

[Gronk]

Oh dear

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1711749195571339590?s=20

https://x.com/QudsNen/status/1712458867446305139?s=20

 

[eels_fan]

I don't think you understand what the Voice is all about

I know exactly what it’s about.

and it was going to achieve nothing, which is why it will fail miserably. When the dust settles the yes vote will be closer to 30% than 50%

indigenous Australians already have proportionate representation across all levels of government, and body’s/depts tasked with improving their affairs receive more than ample funding, which gets lost in red tape and self-interest. We don’t need a referendum, we need an investigation into where the money is going and why it isn’t reaching where it needs to.

 

[eels_fan]

Oh dear

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Childish and pathetic on both sides..

 

[Gronk]

indigenous Australians already have proportionate representation across all levels of government, and body’s/depts tasked with improving their affairs receive more than ample funding, which gets lost in red tape and self-interest. We don’t need a referendum, we need an investigation into where the money is going and why it isn’t reaching where it needs to.

You are right, but representation changes from year to year. Sometimes values change with the leadership of those elected to parliament. A indigenous local member from WA is a single voice and probably is never consulted on indigenous issues by cabinet ever. A LOT of money is allocated to various boards and organisations and accountability and overseer seems wanting.

What is needed is a constant always there voice. Not one term of government we have an indigenous person in cabinet and the next Tony Abbot appoints himself Aboriginal minister FFS. We need consistency. A consistency of good direction and overseer towards closing the gap. There is no harm in this, only good can come from it.

 

[JokerEel]

So really it was your opinion that that referendum is a waste of money.

No nice try you know what the question was and the answer to it

 

[bazza]

So really it was your opinion that that referendum is a waste of money.

if you don't want to waste money on the referendum then you should vote "yes" to make sure something comes out of it

 

[JokerEel]

You’re misrepresenting me.

All I have been saying all week is that Israel don’t have clean hands. The world knows that. The UN and our government have rammed that home for decades.

Also we need to draw a line of distinction between the innocent people of Palestine and the Terrorist group, Hamas. What they did to innocent israelites was as abhorrent as any act of terrorism in history. Unprovoked and without warning, large scale murder.

Ironically, there Is unrivalled support for Israel in the USA and a curious support for Russia in the Ukraine invasion.

Now where did Hamas get there weapons from ?

Where Did Hamas Get Rare RPG-7s with Tandem-Charge EFP, Anti-Tank Weapons and MANPADS | Defense Express

Hamas Is actively using weapons from the Russian Federation, Iran, and North Korea, and in some cases, those are modern systems, such as the Kornet anti-tank guided missiles

en.defence-ua.com

Hamas get their weapons from alot of other countries most likely also the USA.

 

[JokerEel]

you are assuming that you know what they want and taking away their voice to communicate to the Govt what they actually want

shouldn't it be up to the First Nations people to have a voice so they can prioritize their needs rather than have non indigenous people tell them what they think they need

I don't think you understand what the Voice is all about

That last line is the problem..

No one knows. The Yes are not telling the while story and the No are making up lies to muddy the story..

Doesn't the Federal government already give money towards indigenous affairs straight to a company run by first nation people for them to do as they please??

 

[Gronk]

No nice try you know what the question was and the answer to it

No I answered it.

How much more money is Albo wasting on this futile exercise.

It's around 350 mill at the moment I think..

And once we established that YES was funding their own. It came down to the cost of $300m holding a referendum, and if it was a "futile exercise". That is subjective.

If you don't try, if you are not brave to make these bold decisions you can never force change and grow as a country.

Not too long ago polls said that 80% of Australians supported the concept of the referendum. We all know that referendii are very hard to pass. If it gets up, then we move forward. It it doesn't then the sun will rise again on Sunday.

 

[JokerEel]

No I answered it.



And once we established that YES was funding their own. It came down to the cost of $300m holding a referendum, and if it was a "futile exercise". That is subjective.

If you don't try, if you are not brave to make these bold decisions you can never force change and grow as a country.

Not too long ago polls said that 80% of Australians supported the concept of the referendum. We all know that referendii are very hard to pass. If it gets up, then we move forward. It it doesn't then the sun will rise again on Sunday.

So we are all in agreeance big waste of f**king money

 

[hindy111]

Oh dear

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Let's not post this stuff hey. It's upsetting. If others want to go looking for it they can.

 

[the phantom menace]

AAP?

A better, more neutral source.

Pauline

Lol, please.

 

[the phantom menace]

Insulting people because they might not agree isn't a good strategy. Do you work for Albo?

It's not a strategy, it's an opinion.

And no I don't work for Albo (or Dutton).

 

[JokerEel]

A better, more neutral source.

Lol, please.

Cmon who doesn't love a red headed clown!!!!

 

[the phantom menace]

Doesn't the Federal government already give money towards indigenous affairs straight to a company run by first nation people for them to do as they please??

I'm going to say no to this one... unless you care to offer evidence of what you mean?

The government has an Indigenous Affairs department, who offer funded programs (approved through budgets, dating back to Howard's time) to organisations that meet the criteria to become providers of those programs. There would also be guidelines, agreements with KPIs and acquittal rules for those funded programs, which would mean companies don't get get money to do as they please.