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[King-Gutho94]

Horse face's legacy got what it deserved in NZ

Conservative leader Chris Luxon becomes NZ’s next prime minister

People voted for change after six years of a liberal government led for most of that time by Jacinda Ardern.

www.smh.com.au

I wonder when does the cow running QLD get her reality check.

 

[Gronk]

Exactly ... people can deflect all the shit in the world about excuses why this didnt pass .... at the end of the day, the arse fell out of it cos they had zero detail ..... just adding recognition to the constitution would have been a cakewalk .... but it was more than that and when they didnt have anything to offer up, people started to ponder if just trusting hand waving politicians was a good idea

So what you’re saying is that if the legislation for the voice was drafted and released, then Dutton et al would have been happy and it would have passed ?

Peter Dutton’s push for draft bill before voice referendum risks confusing voters, experts warn

Labor cannot specify exactly how the body would work in future as it would be subject to the government of the day, expert group members say

www.theguardian.com

That the voters, who were in charge of assessing a simple two part change to the constitution to a) recognise and b) form a committee to be consulted apon matters which impact them, would then be able to pour over pages and pages of legalese like this to help them decide ?

ABORIGINAL AND TORRES STRAIT ISLANDER COMMISSION ACT 1989

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

You were giffed.

Then you took the day off.

Closet campaigner for No I bet.

Herding up your bogans!

“Free Crownie and croc scaring for a “no” vote, take a picture of your secret ballot, as proof…nah, you’re allowed to”

“Only secret for Yes voters”

 

[Bandwagon]

To be honest, a “principles” document like that is basically meaningless until you know the detail of how it works. It sets a direction or way forward, like a strategic plan. I think the concern falls underneath these broad feel good statements. Hence why legislating it first would have been a much better idea. Anyway, it’s done now so we move forward.

Like I said, I guess it boils down to how much detail is enough detail. But if folks are going to make the statement there isn't enough detail, without having examined the detail that is there, more detail seems to me an exercise in futility.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

Like I said, I guess it boils down to how much detail is enough detail. But if folks are going to make the statement there isn't enough detail, without having examined the detail that is there, more detail seems to me an exercise in futility.

interesting argument.

“Don’t know, vote no” was the high point of the oppositions forensic assessment”

Embarrassing.

 

[Bandwagon]

interesting argument.

“Don’t know, vote no” was the high point of the oppositions forensic assessment”

Embarrassing.

"Don't know, find out" Sounds like kinda hard, can't I just read boomer tier memes on Facebook?

 

[hindy111]

This is why referendums historically almost always fail. This is why you need bipartisan support from both sides of politics.

So the majority of Australians voted no. Democracy, fair enough.

What is the cause of celebration here ? The fact that slimy politicians can’t do slimy things because the indigenous people have a voice to parliament? Or that they had a win in politics and that the Australian people had been swayed (played) ?

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Most the rich white people in the inner city suburbs pushed all the Aboriginals out mate. Look at what they did to Redfern for example.
Wouldn't it be better to give them some of those spots back?

 

[hindy111]

Then you took the day off.

Closet campaigner for No I bet.

Herding up your bogans!

“Free Crownie and croc scaring for a “no” vote, take a picture of your secret ballot, as proof…nah, you’re allowed to”

“Only secret for Yes voters”

Gary's always been a comerkin

 

[Avenger]

Like say white Christians?

White Christians usually go with the flow and don’t want to be ‘recognised.’
You can all laugh it up like phantom but we are only about 100 years or so from these small minorities wanting their own piece of Australia. Their own recognition. Happens all around Europe. Why do you think there was a Brexit? Paranoia?

Because garbage entered the country and wrecked the joint and the majority had enough.

The Aboriginal are Australians like all of us. They don’t need to be further divided with a voice. Tokenism at its highest.

 

[the phantom menace]

You can all laugh it up like phantom but we are only about 100 years or so from these small minorities wanting their own piece of Australia. Their own recognition.

Lol. Paranoia. If people who are small minorities want a piece of Australia they can easily buy a house.

It's all a bit different to the situations of descendants of our First Nations people who had their land taken away with sovereignty never ceded.

Why do you think there was a Brexit? Paranoia?

f**k yeah, paranoia and misinformation again lead by their conservative parties.

And how well has Brexit worked out for the English whiteys?

Because garbage entered the country and wrecked the joint.

Again, not sure if serious opinion re England, or attempted satire... or worse?

 

[Bandwagon]

White Christians usually go with the flow and don’t want to be ‘recognised.’
You can all laugh it up like phantom but we are only about 100 years or so from these small minorities wanting their own piece of Australia. Their own recognition. Happens all around Europe. Why do you think there was a Brexit? Paranoia?

Mate, all of our history our Parliament's been dominated by white Christians ( it's slowly changing now admittedly ) That's nothing against being white and or Christian, but it kinda explains them not needing so much to be recognised.

Mind you, if you looked into the factional goings on in the modern day Liberal party in regards to the grassroots attempts by fundies to overtake local branches in order to install their own, you might just take a second look at that assertion and ponder if it may not be holding true.

Because garbage entered the country and wrecked the joint and the majority had enough

Honestly, I don't know what to do with this mate, I kinda feel it's beneath you.

 

[TheRam]

Howard was PM in 1999 when he put the republic Referrendum to the people and it was also a No. Didn't impact that prick's career.

Unfortunately you're right.

The standard of politician the world over is just pathetic.

Oh well I guess you get what you deserve.

 

[the phantom menace]

Had a chuckle at this one today:

 

[Gronk]

White Christians usually go with the flow and don’t want to be ‘recognised.’
You can all laugh it up like phantom but we are only about 100 years or so from these small minorities wanting their own piece of Australia. Their own recognition. Happens all around Europe. Why do you think there was a Brexit? Paranoia?

Because garbage entered the country and wrecked the joint and the majority had enough.

The Aboriginal are Australians like all of us. They don’t need to be further divided with a voice. Tokenism at its highest.

You reckon that Serbians should be recognised in the constitution of Kosovo ? Or are are they all Kosovars and anything else would be tokenism ?

Constitution of Kosovo - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

@Poupou Escobar s conservative immigrants were a factor in the burbs.

He nailed that one, due is due.

 

[Iamback]

That highlights it had support as a concept and I reckon if people knew its makeup, the types of issues it would advise on and how it operates, I think that support would have continued. I can only assume that the voting public assumed that all of that information would be known before going to the polls. People have overwhelmingly voted against it in its proposed form and that support you mentioned started to dwindle pretty soon after that (about 12 months ago).

I am one. I voted no simply because I don't trust the government not just put mates/Donors and look to do something without actually doing anything

 

[Happy MEel]

Like I said, I guess it boils down to how much detail is enough detail. But if folks are going to make the statement there isn't enough detail, without having examined the detail that is there, more detail seems to me an exercise in futility.

Fair enough, but I’d suggest that the detail provided was insufficient. The outcome tends to suggest that was the case.

 

[TheRam]

So playing devils advocate here, what is the slimy-worst-case-scenario that everyone has now successfully avoided ?

Ultimately globalists(internationalists and international governing bodies current and future ones still to be setup) would use the Voice council board to do their bidding and circumvent many current Government laws and road blocks.

No use in asking me to give details on how they would do this. Just go read the nightmarish 28 page Voice document that would allow it.

Don't shoot the messenger. You may say that it wasn't 28 pages, but you are being willfully disingenuous or just stupid.

The Voice was just a sneaky lever to allow an easier access point for the Globalist to force their evil will over all of Australia and her unsuspecting gullible citizens.

Imminent danger averted, even if the average Joe or Josephine don't know it.

But it won't stop the Globalist from eventually coming in full throttle, they just will need to bide their time a little longer and do it in other ways. It's two steps forward, one step back, then pivot for these guys.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

Unfortunately I can’t get to the Gaza protest today due to a schedule clash

I was looking forward to reporting it for you on the ground.

But I’ll go to the next one.

I’ve made my condemnation of the killing of civilians clear, regardless of religion or ethnicity, I will continue to “voice” my concern for the indiscriminate killing of innocent people to anyone who will listen.

 

[JokerEel]

I am one. I voted no simply because I don't trust the government not just put mates/Donors and look to do something without actually doing anything

Voted yes probably should have votes no after speaking with a few people and the fact most yes votes were from the already privileged & Easter sub wankers..