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New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

flippikat

flippikat

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Canard said:
Im hoping against hope, that PNG dies on the vine, and NZ2 comes to the rescue.

Lets be honest, WA and NZ would be our next expansion teams if Geopolitics wasn't a thing.
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Careful what you wish for.

It'd be VERY easy for the NRL to simply give PNG's spot to Ipswich or a cashed-up Brisbane Easts in that scenario.

Any objections from existing SEQ NRL teams can surely be smoothed with sufficient cash - and the Dolphins have shown that effectively promoting a Qld Cup club is an acceptable expansion option to the powers that be.
 
BuffaloRules

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Some comments here from Frank Endacott who was involved in Orcas bid ..

Get past first few mins talking about Brandon Smith

Seems really strange …maintains that he has a strong business case for the Christchurch bid, but still has never had a discussion with Abdo or the NRL…??

One of the journos over here needs to take it up on the bids behalf and ask Abdo WTF is going on …

 
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Gobsmacked

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Jonty

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titoelcolombiano

titoelcolombiano

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Jonty said:
if not now, when??

domestic rugby union in new Zealand is dying a slow death and these financial numbers must be keeping the NZRU up all night!!
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The New Zealand Rugby Union, like other Kiwi sports bodies, struggles to compete globally due to the high costs and limited market size. Their best chance is to integrate teams into successful Australian competitions, where the financial stability is supported by a much larger economy. This model has worked for rugby league, soccer, and basketball.

However, the challenge for rugby union is that there isn't a thriving Australian competition for New Zealand teams to join. Instead, New Zealand is left carrying the financial load, and its market simply isn’t big enough to sustain that burden.
 
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Matiunz

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Old mate shock Jock Devlin at it again, obviously it’s not good for them to be posting any loss but here’s a pretty good breakdown of the result.

Couple of interesting points is the loss is a fraction of those posted by Aus/England/France also interesting that the union also had its largest ever total income along with an increase in (albeit still poor) crowds

www.rnz.co.nz

Explainer: NZ Rugby’s financial loss and what it means

For the third year in a row, the game's governing body is in the red - so where's the money going, asks Jamie Wall.
www.rnz.co.nz www.rnz.co.nz
 
BuffaloRules

BuffaloRules

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Matiunz said:
Old mate shock Jock Devlin at it again, obviously it’s not good for them to be posting any loss but here’s a pretty good breakdown of the result.

Couple of interesting points is the loss is a fraction of those posted by Aus/England/France also interesting that the union also had its largest ever total income along with an increase in (albeit still poor) crowds

www.rnz.co.nz

Explainer: NZ Rugby’s financial loss and what it means

For the third year in a row, the game's governing body is in the red - so where's the money going, asks Jamie Wall.
www.rnz.co.nz www.rnz.co.nz
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According to Gregor Paul , the increase in revenue is misleading because it includes interest on large cash reserves the NZRU are holding on behalf of the Private Equity partners …

he rubbished the hell out of that move to link up with them as well… says they have bought in nothing that has benefitted NZ Rugby and things are just being done the same as they were for decades, when their sales pitch was innovation
 
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BuffaloRules said:
According to Gregor Paul , the increase in revenue is misleading because it includes interest on large cash reserves the NZRU are holding on behalf of the Private Equity partners …

he rubbished the hell out of that move to link up with them as well… says they have bought in nothing that has benefitted NZ Rugby and things are just being done the same as they were for decades, when their sales pitch was innovation
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Nzru claims they broke even and then had lots of money to spend on union programs (which they don’t count as ongoing spending)
 
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LightLizard

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Gobsmacked said:
It might actually be a clue as to why NZ 2 didn't get the green light. New Zealand is in a prolonged recession right now .
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31.04.2025: No, New Zealand is not currently in a recession. The New Zealand economy has rebounded from a period of two consecutive quarters of contraction (which is the definition of a recession), with GDP growth of 0.7% in the fourth quarter of 2024. This rebound was stronger than expected.
 
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LightLizard said:
31.04.2025: No, New Zealand is not currently in a recession. The New Zealand economy has rebounded from a period of two consecutive quarters of contraction (which is the definition of a recession), with GDP growth of 0.7% in the fourth quarter of 2024. This rebound was stronger than expected.
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Fair enough. ( .7 ) practically booming
 
Canard

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Wb1234 said:
Nzru claims they broke even and then had lots of money to spend on union programs (which they don’t count as ongoing spending)
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If anything this Union financial news is probably not helping NZ2.

It's demonstrating that it's a fairly crowded market with somewhat limited financial resources
 
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LightLizard

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I have a quick question - or 2: Are the N.S. Bears NSW Cup team moving to Perth? I ask, because most NRL sides that have "Cup" teams, train together and use the same training techniques so as the players will know the drills if called on to play NRL. And, if not, does that mean players that have been dropped to Cup side have to fly all the way back to NSW.? And if they do move to Perth, won't that mean the the Bears Sydney base will "lose" all those 200k :) fans?
And on another thing... It took the Warriors at least 5yrs to master the travel hassle - so I hope someone is working on that. 5 hours one way from Sydney - up to 6hr ex Brisbane. 10hrs ex Cairns.
 
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Wb1234

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Probably run two sets of pathways

Existing one in Sydney and another in Perth

Then Perth has a reserve grade team in qld cup whilst bears regain their side in nsw cup

Travel is a huge issue

Ideally Perth should’ve had a team in the qld cup before coming in to prepare player like png
 
ThornlieBear

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Wb1234 said:
Probably run two sets of pathways

Existing one in Sydney and another in Perth

Then Perth has a reserve grade team in qld cup whilst bears regain their side in nsw cup

Travel is a huge issue

Ideally Perth should’ve had a team in the qld cup before coming in to prepare player like png
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Don’t think Burleigh will take too kindly to another Bears team joining the Q Cup.
 
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