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Opinion Is Ricky Stuart the most overrated coach ever?

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nick87

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The Stick is a legend but there's a bit of hype around about 'stoic defense' against the 14th best attacking side in the comp

That's coming from people in the media who dont actually watch as much footy as they should.
The Wahs are a good and tough team but they dont really have much in attack beyond Metcalf or one of their explosive players doing something sick. Not a lot of craft or guile about the team in general right now

And conversely for our boys, this is the best our attack has looked under Stuart... maybe ever, that 2019 team was similar to the Wahs, in that it was a good defensive team but attack was almost entirely reliant on individuals making shit happen. This team actually has some ability to run set plays and strip teams for numbers

Our biggest issue right now is defence. And any team that can get numbers and attacking shape our our centres and the space either side of them... those sides are probably going to be able to score points on us
 
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That's coming from people in the media who dont actually watch as much footy as they should.
The Wahs are a good and tough team but they dont really have much in attack beyond Metcalf or one of their explosive players doing something sick. Not a lot of craft or guile about the team in general right now

And conversely for our boys, this is the best our attack has looked under Stuart... maybe ever, that 2019 team was similar to the Wahs, in that it was a good defensive team but attack was almost entirely reliant on individuals making shit happen. This team actually has some ability to run set plays and strip teams for numbers

Our biggest issue right now is defence. And any team that can get numbers and attacking shape our our centres and the space either side of them... those sides are probably going to be able to score points on us
Yeah exactly.

I'm not a betting man but the $2 about the Raiders before the game, to me, was the chance to cut your mortgage in half. To be fair, I thought it'd be 13+. On another day, a drier day, the Raiders would have cut us up with 30+
 

mave

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Yeah exactly.

I'm not a betting man but the $2 about the Raiders before the game, to me, was the chance to cut your mortgage in half. To be fair, I thought it'd be 13+. On another day, a drier day, the Raiders would have cut us up with 30+

*gamble responsibly*
 

mongoose

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That's coming from people in the media who dont actually watch as much footy as they should.
The Wahs are a good and tough team but they dont really have much in attack beyond Metcalf or one of their explosive players doing something sick. Not a lot of craft or guile about the team in general right now

And conversely for our boys, this is the best our attack has looked under Stuart... maybe ever, that 2019 team was similar to the Wahs, in that it was a good defensive team but attack was almost entirely reliant on individuals making shit happen. This team actually has some ability to run set plays and strip teams for numbers

Our biggest issue right now is defence. And any team that can get numbers and attacking shape our our centres and the space either side of them... those sides are probably going to be able to score points on us
Our attack in the opposition 20 has gone from crash balls to.... crash balls with an offload. Jokes... our long range attack is the best i've seen in a long time. From 40m out we are deadly.
 

nick87

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Our attack in the opposition 20 has gone from crash balls to.... crash balls with an offload. Jokes... our long range attack is the best i've seen in a long time. From 40m out we are deadly.
Yeah the red zone stuff is still a bit of a problem but much improved on recent years. We do occasionally run some slick set moves inside the red zone now (Timoko's try against the Titans as an example). The offloading is providing a good source of points and i feel that's at least somewhat reliable. But yeah, still a lot of crash balls haha
 
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Yeah exactly.

I'm not a betting man but the $2 about the Raiders before the game, to me, was the chance to cut your mortgage in half. To be fair, I thought it'd be 13+. On another day, a drier day, the Raiders would have cut us up with 30+

You're right, and I seriously considered putting everything in my TAB account on us to win, but I have a rule of never betting on my own teams' games.

When I saw the rain I was concerned cos I knew it would be a grind. I've also been saying that if it was a dry track we score at least 30. It was good to win ugly though.
 
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You're right, and I seriously considered putting everything in my TAB account on us to win, but I have a rule of never betting on my own teams' games.

When I saw the rain I was concerned cos I knew it would be a grind. I've also been saying that if it was a dry track we score at least 30. It was good to win ugly though.
Good point, the rain actually made the odds look more realistic than they were. Dry track and I have zero doubt we lose by 20.

I have the same head-heart rule, never back a team I support as it's a double blow to the balls if it doesn't come off. And I am an awful judge of my side, surprisingly for someone who consumes content around them as much as I do
 

mongoose

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Yeah the red zone stuff is still a bit of a problem but much improved on recent years. We do occasionally run some slick set moves inside the red zone now (Timoko's try against the Titans as an example). The offloading is providing a good source of points and i feel that's at least somewhat reliable. But yeah, still a lot of crash balls haha
I don't think any team is that good in the red zone to be honest... you're right, it is still better than it has been for us.
 

BadnMean

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Yeah the red zone stuff is still a bit of a problem but much improved on recent years. We do occasionally run some slick set moves inside the red zone now (Timoko's try against the Titans as an example). The offloading is providing a good source of points and i feel that's at least somewhat reliable. But yeah, still a lot of crash balls haha

We scored 3 tries vs Titans (first time we played) going left, from the same structure- once to Hudson tearing back on an inside line, next time Hudson was the decoy and Strange ran a straight line to score and the 3rd time after setting the defence on high alert for those two, it went out the back and Kris scored. Effing beautiful, exactly what well drilled teams can do and exactly how to work over a defence with a nice shape, which allows variations off the same shape to force tough decisions and prey upon what previous played have conditioned them to expect.

On the right we have the run around play with several variations.There's a few others but those stand out.

I'd say structured attack to compliment the chaosball has been the most significant upgrade of the season. We score from a structured red (or reddish) zone play most matches, sometimes multiple. That's why we've gone from scoring 2 tries, maybe 3 or 4 if we can get lucky to scoring 4 tries regularly and cutting teams apart if we are hot.
 
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Overcome some adversity with arguably the worst ever bunker call and got the job done. Stick said we'd get them in the back end (pause), and so it was.
 

BadnMean

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Overcome some adversity with arguably the worst ever bunker call and got the job done. Stick said we'd get them in the back end (pause), and so it was.

Not to mention the comparison between the bunker decision on Starling no try ruled held the other week and tupou lying prone on the ground while a second raider touches him (slides over the top but touches him nonetheless)- ruled try. In short- we flogged the merkins.
 
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