OT: Current Affairs and Politics

[the phantom menace]

Wham bam thank you ma'am.

 

[Bandwagon]

Na....Just like every "closed" economy that existed, they eventually crash and burn!! it just takes time to come out. History shows it.

History shows us every empire eventually collapses, regardless of the system of rule or trade.

The have an economy based on cheap labour for the world and internal construction. They have zero innovation (except for when they doing industrial espionage)

I think you really need to get your opinion of China into a later decade.

and have no real "service" industry for the world (which is what creates a modern economy)

Who would want services if not for goods? Modern economies work where they can compete, much of the west has landed on services because they can't compete in manufacturing. But without goods what's capitalism's allure? Take away the shiny things and I guarantee you a fail-state.

While with any authoritarian country there is minimal, checks and balances. Leadership only want to hear what they want to hear

Have you looked at the US of late?

And as I said huge debt and corruption problems!

They sure have a private debt issue, not much different to Australia though, and government dept to GDP is below that of most advanced western economies. Overall could you honestly say they have a dept issue that's any worse than us? Despite all the doom and gloom, China is still growing at a far faster rate than western states, and when it comes to debt, growth is all that really matters.

Yes, China's growth has slowed in recent years mainly due to a correction of their housing market, imagine your current greatest economic woe being housing prices dropping due to oversupply.

 

[Bandwagon]

If the conversation actually went this way I would have first taken issue with the idea that they are ‘successful’.

That’s a subjective opinion that you and I will disagree on in the same way that you and Joshuaeel are.

If we are talking about the success of an economy, what is "successful" if not raising the economic living standards of the people in an economy?

Is there any other worthwhile measure?

 

[Gary Gutful]

If we are talking about the success of an economy, what is "successful" if not raising the economic living standards of the people in an economy?

Is there any other worthwhile measure?

I was talking about the success of their society.

 

[Bandwagon]

I was talking about the success of their society.

Ok.

Obviously I wasn't, and that as you say is very subjective.

I'd still argue it's improved ( albeit off a lower base ) at a far greater rate in particularly the last say 50 years than the west, which in many ways has gone backwards.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Ok.

Obviously I wasn't, and that as you say is very subjective.

I'd still argue it's improved ( albeit off a lower base ) at a far greater rate in particularly the last say 50 years than the west, which in many ways has gone backwards.

Their economic progress has been impressive and it’s amazing what they can do when they put their mind to it.

However, it’s a merkin of a place full of corruption and human rights abuses. On balance, the negatives outweigh the positives when I think of the society that they have built.

 

[the phantom menace]

Ditto for America, it seems these days...

 

[Gary Gutful]

It’s not trending in the right direction imo. I’ve travelled to the US regularly over the years but reluctant to do so at the moment given they’ll likely go through my socials and see how often I’ve spoken about semen.

 

[Twizzle]

Orange semen ?

 

[hindy111]

When we talk religion what people need to understand is its is giving many people hope and something to believe in.
Australia has 40% aethiests. Africa has less then 10%. I wonder why?
Wether you beleive or not why do you want to take the possibility of a better afterlife away from these people who are living like utter shit.
Honestly it's disgracefull attitude by some on here. Lack of empathy and understanding whilst living privileged lifestyles.

 

[Gronk]

The Shroom Lady was found guilty. I had been following the case via a Shroom Podcast and was unsure if the jury would stretch all the way to beyond reasonable doubt.

Judge said that they had to find that she a) deliberately fed them death caps and b) with the intent of causing significant harm.

I was also unsure because she seemed to lack motive. It turns out that she didn't need a motive cos serial killers do serial killer things. There you go.

Netflix special to follow I guess.

 

[85 Baby]

The Shroom Lady was found guilty. I had been following the case via a Shroom Podcast and was unsure if the jury would stretch all the way to beyond reasonable doubt.

Judge said that they had to find that she a) deliberately fed them death caps and b) with the intent of causing significant harm.

I was also unsure because she seemed to lack motive. It turns out that she didn't need a motive cos serial killers do serial killer things. There you go.

Netflix special to follow I guess.

Motive only helps argue case but murder only requires the act and intent. I reckon she is guilty and that she overplayed it. The calculated deceptions the prosecution highlighted were what caught her out.

 

[Gronk]

Motive only helps argue case but murder only requires the act and intent. I reckon she is guilty and that she overplayed it. The calculated deceptions the prosecution highlighted were what caught her out.

I agree that there were multiple lies and fumbles, however I was not convinced that they exposed the underbelly of a serial killer. I am not doubting the verdict BTW. As I said I was 50/50 when the jury convened and was merely an interested observer. Particularly how punters had already decided on her guilt/acquittal way before the trial commenced and evidence produced. There were parallels to Lindy Chamberlain in that respect.

 

[85 Baby]

I agree that there were multiple lies and fumbles, however I was not convinced that they exposed the underbelly of a serial killer. I am not doubting the verdict BTW. As I said I was 50/50 when the jury convened and was merely an interested observer. Particularly how punters had already decided on her guilt/acquittal way before the trial commenced and evidence produced. There were parallels to Lindy Chamberlain in that respect.

Who’s saying anything about serial killing (other than her being a multiple murderer)?
It’s likely there’s a base motive against one or multiple of the victims and any there weren’t motive were just unfortunately caught up because she isn’t intelligent enough to not include them/not get caught. I liken her case more to Chris Dawson, just Patterson left bodies

 

[Gronk]

Who’s saying anything about serial killing (other than her being a multiple murderer)?
It’s likely there’s a base motive against one or multiple of the victims and any there weren’t motive were just unfortunately caught up because she isn’t intelligent enough to not include them/not get caught. I liken her case more to Chris Dawson, just Patterson left bodies

OK let's call her a mass murderer. Unsure why you liken it to Dawson. She sat there and poisoned her dinner guests. She was always going to be the sole person of interest and victims in the (attempted) murder were known, locatable etc. Dawson had a motive to eliminate his ex-wife so he could shag a school girl.

She was either a really dumb murderer or she didn't mean it.

For what it's worth, I was thinking this. --> Factitious disorder imposed on another (FDIA), formerly known as Munchausen by proxy. A person (the perpetrator) intentionally harms or induces illness in another individual, often a child or dependent, to gain attention and sympathy.

Anyway, she's toast now.

 

[hindy111]

Imo she is just bat shit crazy. No motive just a nut bag and a vindictive personality. There are plenty around.

 

[Gronk]

Weird

Onlookers tried to take selfies of mushroom cook during murder trial

www.9news.com.au

 

[JokerEel]

Weird

Onlookers tried to take selfies of mushroom cook during murder trial

www.9news.com.au

Probably same wackos that listen to true crime podcasts.

 

[Gronk]

Probably same wackos that listen to true crime podcasts.

Ok boomer.

 

[85 Baby]

OK let's call her a mass murderer. Unsure why you liken it to Dawson. She sat there and poisoned her dinner guests. She was always going to be the sole person of interest and victims in the (attempted) murder were known, locatable etc. Dawson had a motive to eliminate his ex-wife so he could shag a school girl.

She was either a really dumb murderer or she didn't mean it.

For what it's worth, I was thinking this. --> Factitious disorder imposed on another (FDIA), formerly known as Munchausen by proxy. A person (the perpetrator) intentionally harms or induces illness in another individual, often a child or dependent, to gain attention and sympathy.

Anyway, she's toast now.

I likened it more to Dawson than Chamberlain on the prosecution by publicity that you stated. Not sure why you now bring up sole person of interest (other than a dingo they were all single suspects) or bodies (because Chamberlain like Dawson had no body).
I highly doubt Munchausens but more likely simply anger/depression combined with extremely poor judgement, targetting the family of her children to receive financial benefit from their estates.