Weststigers Wasteland

[Tiger05]

Screw these druggo pieces of filth.
We need to draw a line in the sand. They contribute nothing but misery and are an absolute blight on humanity.
I care about people far more than you do if you want drugged up maniacs running around.
Wake the f**k up you idiot.

You are a blight on humanity. You are stating to kill human beings. You are a merkin of a human being.

In 2022-23, alcohol and other drugs were linked to over 80,000 hospitalisations and nearly 3,500 deaths. Every one of those deaths hurts families, drives up health costs, and weakens communities.

Drug deaths aren't good.

Do you drink and gamble ? Are you living off welfare ? You are a stupid emotional bitch merkin and I bet you are a loser as well.

 

[TroyJax]

You are a blight on humanity. You are stating to kill human beings. You are a merkin of a human being.

STFU dickhead.

I did not say that.
if you can’t conduct an argument without lying than I feel sorry for you.

 

[Tiger05]

I did not say that.
if you can’t conduct an argument without lying than I feel sorry for you.

To me those drug deaths are a good thing for the communities.

Are you stating you didn't post that ? You are a liar who is a piece of shit merkin. You don't use facts. You use emotions. I bet you are a loser who lives off welfare and bludges off people like me who pay taxes and don't require welfare.

People like you are a blight on humanity.

I bet you expect the government to pay for you being a dumb as f**k loser.

 

[Nutz]

Have we ? I suggest alcohol causes more issues than any other drug to society but we just let that one go.

Percentage wise, alcohol would surely outweigh drugs as a cause of accidents. I do know of someone who was so hypo on methamphetamines that he mounted the median strip and hit an oncoming car. Luckily noone was killed. So factually, I can't support my earlier claim other than this.
I was in aviation and we had to have 0 BAL, no illicit drugs in our system or show any effects of hangover. The reason they gave was impairment both by loss of normal brain function or hyperactivity. I'm no doctor but you could get chatgpt to comment on it.
For me there us no difference in driving a car than flying a helicopter. The potential of having deviststating results could be the same.
If every driver on the road was high on meth, would you feel safe letting your kids walk to the shops?

 

[Nutz]

Hey guys, I'm sure people are getting peeved of here with our comments, lets continue this in the crap thread and stop the abuse of each other.
I don't know if Hunt will stay.
He played 2 good games late in the season. Thoughts?

 

[Nutz]

I view solar as one simple type but the storage options are more complex.

I suppose I view it like this:-

Legacy:- mostly coal power with gas peakers to help because coal power plants cannot increase or decrease electricity production easily. It's expensive and bad for the environment and monolithic.

Modern:- solar and wind to generate electricity but mostly solar. The questions becomes how do we store energy that is variable. That storage has to be able to ramp up and down quickly in relation to production of electricity.

Batteries will handle a fair bit of storage but they aren't good at longer term storage - so multiple days and across seasons.

Hydro power is really good at storing electricity for multi-day lower energy production but not good enough for seasonal storage. The build of Snowy 2.0 was meant to be 6 billion dollars but it has blown out to 12 billion dollars. Personally I think this is cheap and a good deal. For some context the Subs we are buying and we may not even get are set to cost $360 billion.

There is basically a gap for seasonal storage. This is where gas peakers come in and why we are allowing gas production to remain. Gas peakers are cheap to build but they produce carbon and they are expensive to run.

The other issue is building transmission lines.

I basically think we have to build a tonne of solar and it's the backbone to the system but I don't really see how this is an issue. It's just a project execution issue. We can build solar panels all over the place. I think already it's something like 40% of households have rooftop solar. So adding it to buildings is more about making those buildings have lower electricity costs.

That's what I eluded to, solar is more to do with making electrity cheaper and people will abuse usage if it is maybe.
The pollies will usually take the cheapest alternative for what will keep them in office now, not in 20 years+ when we might desperately need a change.

 

[Tiger05]

That's what I eluded to, solar is more to do with making electrity cheaper and people will abuse usage if it is maybe.
The pollies will usually take the cheapest alternative for what will keep them in office now, not in 20 years+ when we might desperately need a change.

The plan that Labour are doing now though to me is pretty much the sane approach. The Lib's pushing Nuclear is stupid shit.

 

[Nutz]

20 hours ago reported on X
Western Bulldogs
thrash Essendon 70-8
in AFLW Round 9
at Whitten Oval on
Friday night. Mmmmmm, close game!

Why am I even writing about this shite.
How long to go now before the NRL starts again?

 

[macnaz]

So cool Trump has hopefully ended the 4 year war in Gaza

 

[Tiger05]

So cool Trump has hopefully ended the 4 year war in Gaza

Let's hope so. It's awesome but will it hold.

 

[Nutz]

The plan that Labour are doing now though to me is pretty much the sane approach. The Lib's pushing Nuclear is stupid shit.

If Wind and Solar generators are the fastest to deploy and costs less why doesn't Australia just make thousands of these across the highest grounds in Australia then have storage systems for back-up when there is no wind or no sun. Surely there are deep areas in the landscape around Australia that solar/windpumps can pump sea water into it then release the water when hydro backup is needed.
I guess it's an environmental hazard pumping salt water inland but could it be done?
Up in Northern Territory, an unimaginable amount of fresh water is lost out to sea every year.
Could this fresh water be diverted/pumped into the interior as hydro backup and also increase wildlife for our indigenous folk to hunt as well as increase our much needed plant life in this country.
Our Island is huge and is populated mainly coastal. The interior is fertile, it just needs water.

 

[Nutz]

Could this fresh water be diverted/pumped into the interior as hydro backup

I just read into this and its apparently been debated for years.
The biggest problem is the interior is actually higher and it would require a huge pumping system and energy consuming system to do his so it defeats the purpose.
There must be a way to store either water for hydro, or batteries etc for backup to wind and solar generators.

 

[Tiger05]

If Wind and Solar generators are the fastest to deploy and costs less why doesn't Australia just make thousands of these across the highest grounds in Australia then have storage systems for back-up when there is no wind or no sun. Surely there are deep areas in the landscape around Australia that solar/windpumps can pump sea water into it then release the water when hydro backup is needed.

This is an awesome post. You've basically nailed what is happening right now. It's a process that has a flaw but that flaw is not relevant yet. It's currently a theoretical issue. The flaw is that at this point we don't have enough firming (this is the technical word for storage of electricity) at this point in time for seasonal storage.

We should be clear that this process is happening right now though because it makes economic sense. There have been reports that Australia generated more electricity from renewables last month than fossil fuels. South Australia and Tasmania are pretty close to using 100% renewables for energy production.

I am not sure about your sea water idea. I doubt it would be economically feasible in Australia but I think they've done it overseas. Hydro storage is fantastic but it is expensive and it can't do long term seasonal storage.

I guess it's an environmental hazard pumping salt water inland but could it be done?
Up in Northern Territory, an unimaginable amount of fresh water is lost out to sea every year.
Could this fresh water be diverted/pumped into the interior as hydro backup and also increase wildlife for our indigenous folk to hunt as well as increase our much needed plant life in this country.
Our Island is huge and is populated mainly coastal. The interior is fertile, it just needs water.

I suggest it's a cost issue.

I watched a documentary recently on ABC. You should watch this because it covers the energy transition in Australia right now.

 

[Tiger05]

There must be a way to store either water for hydro, or batteries etc for backup to wind and solar generators.

They work pretty simply. You have a hill with a reservoir at the top and at the bottom. You have the ability to pump the water from the low reservoir to the higher reservoir. When the water comes down it pushes turbines that create electricity.

So when energy is cheap you pump the water up and when it is dear you produce energy. This is what batteries do as well.

The issue is still that these are firming options that are not long term in nature. I don't think this is something to get too worried about now. These issues exist now anyway. They just fire up gas peakers to manage the extra load that is required. The issue is replacing these gas peakers but we aren't at the stage where we are 95% of the way there. Just say now we are 50% of the way there now. We have a lot further to go prior to this being the main issue.

The issue is really complex because a lot of the coal plants are now becoming uneconomic. They don't scale up and down quickly and since renewables are cheaper they can be running at a loss.

 

[Ron's_Mate]

Trump to coach Wests Tigers from 2028.

 

[Nutz]

They work pretty simply. You have a hill with a reservoir at the top and at the bottom. You have the ability to pump the water from the low reservoir to the higher reservoir. When the water comes down it pushes turbines that create electricity.

So when energy is cheap you pump the water up and when it is dear you produce energy. This is what batteries do as well.

The issue is still that these are firming options that are not long term in nature. I don't think this is something to get too worried about now. These issues exist now anyway. They just fire up gas peakers to manage the extra load that is required. The issue is replacing these gas peakers but we aren't at the stage where we are 95% of the way there. Just say now we are 50% of the way there now. We have a lot further to go prior to this being the main issue.

The issue is really complex because a lot of the coal plants are now becoming uneconomic. They don't scale up and down quickly and since renewables are cheaper they can be running at a loss.

Awesome video. This is getting me excited. I couldn't believe my ears when he stated how long our power lines run and the maintenance.

Adelaide seems to be doing a great job but they also buy reserve power don't they? I not saying that's wrong, I'm still learning.
Having said that, would or should the states join forces between having reservoirs/hydro, solar and wind and storage?
I raised the salt water idea mainly because if there was a crazy workable way to get hydro from it then the source would never dry up and is free
So going by a bit of what you suggested why wouldn't this work.....
Build an upper reservoir on a hill/cliff near the coast and use the ocean as the lower reservoir.
When you have surplus power (e.g., from wind/solar), pump seawater up.
When you need power, let it flow back down through hydro turbines.
It would also be a balancing act of water levels for the hydro to work.
The last thing we want to do out of all the ideas is not to ruin the earth, no more Darling river disasters.

As far as fresh water goes, I wasn't thinking about flooding part of the interior from a power perspective but more from an environmental and conservation one.
The interior is apparently a lot higher and a long way away from the freshwater flood plains of NT so to get fresh water into an interior dam would cost a fortune I suspect.
I just thought if we could somehow flood huge amounts of wate into the interior it would make it a virtual gigantic Kakadu instead of wasting giga litres of fresh water into the sea. Divert the monsoon floodwater inwards to a controlled degree.
It would help our indigenous folk with all year round water supply and wildlife food as we have ruined a lot of their traditional hunting grounds. Also it would also help the climate. Our own Amazon

 

[WA Tiger]

So cool Trump has hopefully ended the 4 year war in Gaza

Hopefully he can save his own country.. Theres no awards for doing that tho..

 

[Nutz]

England were using waterwheels to turn dynamos in the late 1800's.
Australia has practically got 360⁰ of coastline that has waves for the majority of the year.....why don't we invent wave turbines, now there's a thought.
I'm heading down to Bondi with my patented surf dynamo. I'll make a fortune.

 

[Nutz]

Hopefully he can save his own country.. Theres no awards for doing that tho..

Maybe he should camp the night on Kensington Ave.

 

[Tiger05]

Awesome video. This is getting me excited. I couldn't believe my ears when he stated how long our power lines run and the maintenance.

I find the energy transition fascinating. It's so much bigger than just replacing fossil fuels. There are these massive infrastructure issues to manage.

Adelaide seems to be doing a great job but they also buy reserve power don't they? I not saying that's wrong, I'm still learning.

I wouldn't call it reserve power. I think the way to look at it is gas peakers.

South Australia and Tasmania do not use coal based power plants. How amazing is that. Interestingly South Australia shut down it's last coal power plant in 2016.

The gas peakers run when there isn't enough renewable energy stored up in the system. We need more firming options to be able to stop using these gas peakers. Firming means storage.

In stating that it's a massive improvement isn't it. I think that should be every State's goal and to do it as quickly as possible. Then work to improve from that point on.

Having said that, would or should the states join forces between having reservoirs/hydro, solar and wind and storage?

I am pretty sure they do.

I raised the salt water idea mainly because if there was a crazy workable way to get hydro from it then the source would never dry up and is free
So going by a bit of what you suggested why wouldn't this work.....

I think it would work but it's probably not economical yet and maybe it wouldn't solve the extra problem which is when we use gas peakers.

I'm not even that worried about gas peaker though. Over time I think they will be used less and less and CO2 emissions would be massively down.

I just looked up this as a model and realistically we could by the 2030's get to a level of 95% emissions reductions and that would be cheaper energy production. It might cost more to get to that point but that isn't a fair trade off because the current coal based power plants are getting close to shut down and to rebuild them would cost big dollars.

The issue is the pumped Hydro won't provide us with the ability to have 100% firming capacity. It's not the right tool at this point in time.

Build an upper reservoir on a hill/cliff near the coast and use the ocean as the lower reservoir.
When you have surplus power (e.g., from wind/solar), pump seawater up.
When you need power, let it flow back down through hydro turbines.
It would also be a balancing act of water levels for the hydro to work.

This is how it works. It's simple but smart.

Also it would also help the climate. Our own Amazon

I'm a little skeptical about this part. Just a little.