The grand plan

[Perth Red]

yes after the comp consolidated first and achieved more baseline fans with a shorter club number format to begin with ya dope! nrl starting point of 14 was higher than there finishing point of 20/22 (at one stage in split comp).

secondary to that is tv rights deals and more content. rugby league is worth considerably more in australia and more content brings more money, more teams bring more content. more content in uk super league does little more than give the game a little rise because half the clubs are absolute rubbish.

maybe you choose to conveniently leave those crucial parts of facts out because yet again, perthwrongs DING DONG

No after they reduced clubs, lost fans and realised what a f**k up they’d made. Since then its been grow, grow, grow baby.
dope.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

No after they reduced clubs, lost fans and realised what a f**k up they’d made. Since then its been grow, grow, grow baby.
dope.

Just on this argument. Not sure that’s backed up by numbers.

NRL in 1998 with 20 teams had average crowds of 11,600.

NRL in 2000 with 14 teams had average crowds of 15k.

NRL then dipped to 14k-ish average crowds in 01/02 still with 14 teams before hitting 15k-ish average crowds in 03 with 15 teams.

Now whilst I don’t agree with how the consolidation was done or how the cut clubs were chosen, it does seem like a clear cut less is more approach to re-build the comps overall quality and enthusiasm before expanding it again.

Super League would be better off taking the same approach. Consolidate into a 10 club SL
comp to raise the overall quality spread and competitiveness.

Package it up with the Championship for more game day TV/media content. Then once the SL comp starts making money, think about expansion.

Right now there’s nothing to indicate the SL comp warrants expansion. In actuality no metric available indicates that it’s a good idea.

 

[Wb1234]

Just on this argument. Not sure that’s backed up by numbers.

NRL in 1998 with 20 teams had average crowds of 11,600.

NRL in 2000 with 14 teams had average crowds of 15k.

NRL then dipped to 14k-ish average crowds in 01/02 still with 14 teams before hitting 15k-ish average crowds in 03 with 15 teams.

Now whilst I don’t agree with how the consolidation was done or how the cut clubs were chosen, it does seem like a clear cut less is more approach to re-build the comps overall quality and enthusiasm before expanding it again.

Super League would be better off taking the same approach. Consolidate into a 10 club SL
comp to raise the overall quality spread and competitiveness.

Package it up with the Championship for more game day TV/media content. Then once the SL comp starts making money, think about expansion.

Right now there’s nothing to indicate the SL comp warrants expansion. In actuality no metric available indicates that it’s a good idea.

If Murdoch never got involved that 20 team comp would’ve been fine

Maybe sharks would’ve died off and Balmain relocated to Adelaide or nz2

Illawarra would have their own side.

Every new club added to the nrl bar png has been a former club that was killed off and that’s still leaving central coast without a team and I’m including Gold Coast and Souths in that

 

[Perth Red]

Just on this argument. Not sure that’s backed up by numbers.

NRL in 1998 with 20 teams had average crowds of 11,600.

NRL in 2000 with 14 teams had average crowds of 15k.

NRL then dipped to 14k-ish average crowds in 01/02 still with 14 teams before hitting 15k-ish average crowds in 03 with 15 teams.

Now whilst I don’t agree with how the consolidation was done or how the cut clubs were chosen, it does seem like a clear cut less is more approach to re-build the comps overall quality and enthusiasm before expanding it again.

Super League would be better off taking the same approach. Consolidate into a 10 club SL
comp to raise the overall quality spread and competitiveness.

Package it up with the Championship for more game day TV/media content. Then once the SL comp starts making money, think about expansion.

Right now there’s nothing to indicate the SL comp warrants expansion. In actuality no metric available indicates that it’s a good idea.

So basically you agree with me that cutting clubs made no difference to crowd avg, reduced total overall crowd attendnace and I’m pretty sure reduced tv audience total?

more peope, arent goignto attend hullfc because Leigh have been cut, it’s a dumb argument.

 

[Gobsmacked]

Just on this argument. Not sure that’s backed up by numbers.

NRL in 1998 with 20 teams had average crowds of 11,600.

NRL in 2000 with 14 teams had average crowds of 15k.

NRL then dipped to 14k-ish average crowds in 01/02 still with 14 teams before hitting 15k-ish average crowds in 03 with 15 teams.

Now whilst I don’t agree with how the consolidation was done or how the cut clubs were chosen, it does seem like a clear cut less is more approach to re-build the comps overall quality and enthusiasm before expanding it again.

Super League would be better off taking the same approach. Consolidate into a 10 club SL
comp to raise the overall quality spread and competitiveness.

Package it up with the Championship for more game day TV/media content. Then once the SL comp starts making money, think about expansion.

Right now there’s nothing to indicate the SL comp warrants expansion. In actuality no metric available indicates that it’s a good idea.

Nailed it.

 

[Gobsmacked]

So basically you agree with me that cutting clubs made no difference to crowd avg, reduced total overall crowd attendnace and I’m pretty sure reduced tv audience total?

more peope, arent goignto attend hullfc because Leigh have been cut, it’s a dumb argument.

More people are going to attend Hull fc because they're a more talented team playing a equally talented side with a realistic chance of winning every week.
Who do Hull rate best against?
Wigan or Salford?
The idea is to get every club up to the quality of Wigan, then expand.

You have maybe 6 or 7 clubs worth watching, wouldn't you rather 10 ?

 

[Gobsmacked]

If Murdoch never got involved that 20 team comp would’ve been fine

Maybe sharks would’ve died off and Balmain relocated to Adelaide or nz2

Illawarra would have their own side.

Every new club added to the nrl bar png has been a former club that was killed off and that’s still leaving central coast without a team and I’m including Gold Coast and Souths in that

Perth crowds dropped to 7k , ad the travel expenses and they're one of the first to go.

 

[Pippen94]

Perth red is always wrong. Said Perth wouldn't be bears. Firehawks would get in.

 

[Gobsmacked]

Perth red is always wrong. Said Perth wouldn't be bears. Firehawks would get in.

He said Dolphins didn't have enough time and would fail.. and now advocating for 3 full squads to be assembled with half the cash in months...

He's a special one.

 

[Pippen94]

He said Dolphins didn't have enough time and would fail.. and now advocating for 3 full squads to be assembled with half the cash in months...

He's a special one.

..he's still here making predictions. Bless him.

 

[Last Week]

So basically you agree with me that cutting clubs made no difference to crowd avg, reduced total overall crowd attendnace and I’m pretty sure reduced tv audience total?

more peope, arent goignto attend hullfc because Leigh have been cut, it’s a dumb argument.

Lol, this is insanely ironic.

 

[flippikat]

If Murdoch never got involved that 20 team comp would’ve been fine

Maybe sharks would’ve died off and Balmain relocated to Adelaide or nz2

Illawarra would have their own side.

Every new club added to the nrl bar png has been a former club that was killed off and that’s still leaving central coast without a team and I’m including Gold Coast and Souths in that

I've said it before, but all the pieces were there for a solid, nationwide competition in late 1997 when the peace negotiations were happening, but it got screwed up due to a dogpile of self-interest & short-sightedness.

 

[Wb1234]

I've said it before, but all the pieces were there for a solid, nationwide competition in late 1997 when the peace negotiations were happening, but it got screwed up due to a dogpile of self-interest & short-sightedness.

95

Cronulla would’ve died off and maybe Balmain relocated

Taken 33 years to get back to that footprint (plus Melbourne minus central coast and part time in Illawarra and Campbelltown)

 

[Pippen94]

95

Cronulla would’ve died off and maybe Balmain relocated

Taken 33 years to get back to that footprint (plus Melbourne minus central coast and part time in Illawarra and Campbelltown)

I've said it before; superleague had comps in pacific and Europe. Game needs to do that to get back to where it was.

 

[Wb1234]

I've said it before; superleague had comps in pacific and Europe. Game needs to do that to get back to where it was.

Super league still has its competition in “Europe”

Other than playing one rugby league nines event dunno what you mean about super league and the pacific

And png is the first real expansion the nrl has ever done after Melbourne

 

[Pippen94]

Super league still has its competition in “Europe”

Other than playing one rugby league nines event dunno what you mean about super league and the pacific

And png is the first real expansion the nrl has ever done after Melbourne

Work it out - use grok if you need

 

[flippikat]

95

Cronulla would’ve died off and maybe Balmain relocated

Taken 33 years to get back to that footprint (plus Melbourne minus central coast and part time in Illawarra and Campbelltown)

Yeah, I'll buy that - the 20 team footprint of 1995 minus Cronulla & with Balmain and Norths relocated (Norths on the Central Coast, Balmain to where-ever worked - likely Melbourne, I'd imagine) would have been a reasonable 19 team competition, with a spot for expansion in the late 1990s to get to 20.

 

[Perth Red]

For the naysayers. Like I keep saying all SL needs is a decent tv partner.

 

[Perth Red]

More people are going to attend Hull fc because they're a more talented team playing a equally talented side with a realistic chance of winning every week.
Who do Hull rate best against?
Wigan or Salford?
The idea is to get every club up to the quality of Wigan, then expand.

You have maybe 6 or 7 clubs worth watching, wouldn't you rather 10 ?

Sport audience doesn’t work like that. Ergo rugby union.

 

[Pippen94]

For the naysayers. Like I keep saying all SL needs is a decent tv partner.

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