2025 Crowd Watch

[i0Nic]

I mean if this series was in Australia, it would not be played at Accor or mcg. It would likely be Allianz in Sydney, Suncorp in Brisbane and AAMi park in Melbourne.

 

[newc18]

Is there a reason why they would’ve chosen Wembley instead of another ground in London that holds 50-60k?

The only correct venue they picked was Game 2 in Everton Stadium. Game 1 is in a venue that's too big and Game 3 is in a venue that's too small. I don't understand the logic.

 

[jolly boys outing]

Is there a reason why they would’ve chosen Wembley instead of another ground in London that holds 50-60k?

Availability.

premier league season is in full swing.

 

[jolly boys outing]

The only correct venue they picked was Game 2 in Everton Stadium. Game 1 is in a venue that's too big and Game 3 is in a venue that's too small. I don't understand the logic.

Availability.

I don’t think elland rd was available and similar with the other London football venues.

 

[eels4lifee]

I honestly don’t see the downside or negative in doing such a thing.

its looks better on tv and will create a better atmosphere inside the stadium.

also who’s to say that these 10k kids won’t buy a drink or a burger etc once inside the stadium as well.

Well done, for once you've made some common sense

 

[eels4lifee]

60k is a solid pass for wembley. Sure 30k empty seats won’t look great on telly but thats the problem with a stadium too big for what we needed.

60k, 50k and 20k are great crowds for any int rl series!

Is their anyway they could cover that top end with mannequins lol

 

[eels4lifee]

Yes but theres only 58k tickets on sale to the general public.

Dats cwazy

 

[jolly boys outing]

Well done, for once you've made some common sense

Everything I post makes sense to me.

 

[jolly boys outing]

Dats cwazy

Im guessing to open up other bays and sections of the stadium would also mean opening up extra turnstiles and employing more stewards etc at extra cost.

 

[NWQRabbit]

Broncos have officially sold level 3 & 5 down to single seats for next year as full season memberships. The sideline is not affordable, so they will need to open level 7 south for full season ticketed memberships. They'd have sold about 32k full season ticketed memberships and we are mid October. Crazy stuff rereally.

Whilst this is great news in general and good ammunition to push for a suncorp upgrade, will this be a help or hindrance to bronx crowds next year?

Obviously someone who buys a ticket 1 or 2 weeks before a game is less likely to have some type of schedule clash and will therefore attend the game compared to a member, unfortunate but just how it is.

Do you know if they are looking at a member seat return/re-sale program? Would be great if stadium members needed to pre book for high demand games and any leftover seats could be sold to the public as well.

At the very least, the dolphins suncorp games may see an increase if that is the only way for a general fan in brisbane to catch a live game in a good seat.

 

[NWQRabbit]

Im guessing to open up other bays and sections of the stadium would also mean opening up extra turnstiles and employing more stewards etc at extra cost.

Yeah, but the main reason they are selling this way is to fill the bottom stadium bowl and the club wembley middle tier ring.

These two tiers make up about 50k capacity and for most camera angles during the game all you will see is full seats such is the size of Wembley.

If this game gets 60k or more it will beat the record in england (57.5k) and will look good even in a 90k stadium.

 

[Mother Nature's Son]

If this game gets 60k or more it will beat the record in england (57.5k) and will look good even in a 90k stadium.

All true just a little disappointing that they sold the first 30k plus so quickly and have really achieved bugger all after that.

 

[yakstorm]

Yeah, but the main reason they are selling this way is to fill the bottom stadium bowl and the club wembley middle tier ring.

These two tiers make up about 50k capacity and for most camera angles during the game all you will see is full seats such is the size of Wembley.

If this game gets 60k or more it will beat the record in england (57.5k) and will look good even in a 90k stadium.

I'm glad they're trying to fill the lower bowl first and concentrate the crowd on the upper tier. The mistake they've made at the last few Challenge Cup Finals is opening up too many areas too early, so there is a lot of gaps in the TV arc (for example Warrington v Hull KR this year).

Assuming they haven't been holding back significant areas of tickets from sale, the Test will look better than this, despite this being named as 63,278.

 

[NWQRabbit]

All true just a little disappointing that they sold the first 30k plus so quickly and have really achieved bugger all after that.

It's just how these things work. You get the initial excited rush of sales when it is announced, it then trickles along until closer to the event when marketing and excitement builds again and you get a late surge.

If this test was at Tottenham like was originally planned in 2020, people would be ecstatic with the sales trajectory and hail a 60k crowd as a success. It is just a little harder to instill fomo in people when there is 20 to 30k extra seat to sell at wembley.

I have read that us aussies put wembley down as a pre requisite to the whole tour going ahead, don't know how true it is but would make sense to give it some prestige.

Just have to compare to the last series in 2003 that was played at 3 small club grounds for a series total of 73k, with everton and leeds sold out already (70k+), wembley would need about 70k to record the biggest ever ashes series attendance in England.

 

[yakstorm]

Dont want to devalue sales along the way and hurt revenue

It's possible to do giveaways without negatively impacting sales. What the RFL has done in the past that has worked against them so much, is they'll push left over good seats at discounted prices a couple weeks out from the match. That understandably annoys people who paid full freight for the same seats or worse, paid a higher price for a worse seat. The behaviour also discourages people from buying early which they're still trying to recover from.

That said if they wanted to do a school giveaway, they could very simply limit it just to the worst seats at the venue (ie. the last 10-20 or so rows in the upper stands). That's not going to impact other sales, even if word got out about the giveaway.

Personally, if I was the RFL, I'd be wanting word to get out, and I'd want to spread the offer to as many families as possible in London. I'd want them to give me their contact details, redeem their ticket and would put in incentives to encourage them to upgrade or add-on to their ticket. Wembley was never going to sell out, might as well use the venue you've already paid for as a data collection exercise.

 

[NWQRabbit]

I'm glad they're trying to fill the lower bowl first and concentrate the crowd on the upper tier. The mistake they've made at the last few Challenge Cup Finals is opening up too many areas too early, so there is a lot of gaps in the TV arc (for example Warrington v Hull KR this year).

Assuming they haven't been holding back significant areas of tickets from sale, the Test will look better than this, despite this being named as 63,278.

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Think back to the 2013 WC semi which had 67k and filled the lower bowl first, then the tv arc on the upper tier. That looked great and the only time you saw the empty side of the upper tier was when using the camera at ground level for conversions.

 

[Mother Nature's Son]

It's possible to do giveaways without negatively impacting sales. What the RFL has done in the past that has worked against them so much, is they'll push left over good seats at discounted prices a couple weeks out from the match. That understandably annoys people who paid full freight for the same seats or worse, paid a higher price for a worse seat. The behaviour also discourages people from buying early which they're still trying to recover from.

That said if they wanted to do a school giveaway, they could very simply limit it just to the worst seats at the venue (ie. the last 10-20 or so rows in the upper stands). That's not going to impact other sales, even if word got out about the giveaway.

Personally, if I was the RFL, I'd be wanting word to get out, and I'd want to spread the offer to as many families as possible in London. I'd want them to give me their contact details, redeem their ticket and would put in incentives to encourage them to upgrade or add-on to their ticket. Wembley was never going to sell out, might as well use the venue you've already paid for as a data collection exercise.

It was reported on the Pommy forum that about half the ticket sales had London postcodes attached, geez is it too much to hope that they might be sharing that info with the new London Broncos owners.

 

[wain]

It's possible to do giveaways without negatively impacting sales. What the RFL has done in the past that has worked against them so much, is they'll push left over good seats at discounted prices a couple weeks out from the match. That understandably annoys people who paid full freight for the same seats or worse, paid a higher price for a worse seat. The behaviour also discourages people from buying early which they're still trying to recover from.

That said if they wanted to do a school giveaway, they could very simply limit it just to the worst seats at the venue (ie. the last 10-20 or so rows in the upper stands). That's not going to impact other sales, even if word got out about the giveaway.

Personally, if I was the RFL, I'd be wanting word to get out, and I'd want to spread the offer to as many families as possible in London. I'd want them to give me their contact details, redeem their ticket and would put in incentives to encourage them to upgrade or add-on to their ticket. Wembley was never going to sell out, might as well use the venue you've already paid for as a data collection exercise.

Agreed, giveaways to school kids wouldn't have a negative effect, as opposed to discounting adult tickets at the last minute...which they've done previously and also the NRL GF last year. That has consequences, as you've mentioned.

I remember reading that their idea with such a small venue first up was to create the hype of an early sellout and pushing everyone else to the other matches...a good strategy. This could have been followed up with a ballot system similar to the Olympics and RUWC in Aus, where you would have to purchase a certain number of tickets to Wembley to lock in your tickets to game 3 at the small venue.

 

[Dark Corner]

The only correct venue they picked was Game 2 in Everton Stadium. Game 1 is in a venue that's too big and Game 3 is in a venue that's too small. I don't understand the logic.

Should have the first test at Tottenham (would of loved the first game to be at Newcastle's St James Park) and 3rd test at Elland Road.
Just don't get how NFL can sell out Wembley and TGG can not.

 

[jolly boys outing]

Should have the first test at Tottenham (would of loved the first game to be at Newcastle's St James Park) and 3rd test at Elland Road.
Just don't get how NFL can sell out Wembley and TGG can not.

I don’t think the venues you named were available and the NFL has a much bigger profile and reach than RL.