OT: Current Affairs and Politics

[Ruby Roundhouse]

I’m genuinely not sure what you’re attempting to argue here.

What do you need help with?

 

[Matty Bhoy]

What do you need help with?

Well you’ve moved the goals each time you’ve posted, that much is pretty clear.

 

[Ruby Roundhouse]

Well you’ve moved the goals each time you’ve posted, that much is pretty clear.

You have a problem answering questions and then accuse me of shifting goalposts, lol

 

[Matty Bhoy]

You said Hamas not disarming is bad. I pointed out that Hamas and the resistance is the only thing standing between a complete ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people in the Gaza Strip.

You said Trump is to thank for Gaza not being levelled and Hamas hid in tunnels.

I replied Trump sat back for two years like the rest of the world and Hamas didn’t hide in tunnels, they operated like any guerrilla outfit does in such circumstances and with some success as is evidenced online.

You then asked how did that work out for them?

I replied about as well as they could’ve hoped considering the level of spending and counter intelligence they’re up against. They’re still there.

So as I said, what is it you’re trying to argue?

Hamas aren’t going to disarm and under the current circumstances it would be absolutely the end of the Palestinian people in Gaza.

 

[Ruby Roundhouse]

You said Hamas not disarming is bad. I pointed out that Hamas and the resistance is the only thing standing between a complete ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people in the Gaza Strip.

You said Trump is to thank for Gaza not being levelled and Hamas hid in tunnels.

I replied Trump sat back for two years like the rest of the world and Hamas didn’t hide in tunnels, they operated like any guerrilla outfit does in such circumstances and with some success as is evidenced online.

You then asked how did that work out for them?

I replied about as well as they could’ve hoped considering the level of spending and counter intelligence they’re up against. They’re still there.

So as I said, what is it you’re trying to argue?

Hamas aren’t going to disarm and under the current circumstances it would be absolutely the end of the Palestinian people in Gaza.

hamas wanted to wage a guerilla war, and the idf said no, they will level the entire place instead of getting more captured Israelis. hamas were just prolonging the suffering. If the idf wanted to wipe out gaza, it would have done so in a few days.

Trump is to thank for the ceasefire, yes, he got it done. Do you dispute this? hamas hid in tunnels and forced it's civilians to stay above ground. Yes they wanted to fight with hit-and-run tactics, their retreat was underground.

Do you think hamas are self funded?

 

[Matty Bhoy]

hamas wanted to wage a guerilla war, and the idf said no, they will level the entire place instead of getting more captured Israelis. hamas were just prolonging the suffering. If the idf wanted to wipe out gaza, it would have done so in a few days.

Trump is to thank for the ceasefire, yes, he got it done. Do you dispute this? hamas hid in tunnels and forced it's civilians to stay above ground. Yes they wanted to fight with hit-and-run tactics, their retreat was underground.

Do you think hamas are self funded?

You do understand the IDF were “boots on the ground” in Gaza yes? I’m not sure how Hamas were prolonging the suffering. They literally live in the world’s biggest open air prison and have been denied aid and food prior to October 7, let alone since.

I’ve never said Trump wasn’t involved in the ceasefire, merely that he’s late to the party. However I am certainly glad a tentative peace agreement has been reached.

Israel bombing Qatar in an attempt to eliminate Hamas negotiators certainly helped Trump to apply some much needed pressure to Bibi. As a result it looks like there’s somewhat of a chance a Palestinian Statehood may be recognised. Time will tell.

Hamas receive funds from Qatar, Iran and other places. They also get money from real estate, believe it or not in other countries around the world and use crypto currency expertly. So no, they’re not entirely self funded, similar to most guerrilla armies throughout time.

 

[Ruby Roundhouse]

You do understand the IDF were “boots on the ground” in Gaza yes? I’m not sure how Hamas were prolonging the suffering. They literally live in the world’s biggest open air prison and have been denied aid and food prior to October 7, let alone since.

I’ve never said Trump wasn’t involved in the ceasefire, merely that he’s late to the party. However I am certainly glad a tentative peace agreement has been reached.

Israel bombing Qatar in an attempt to eliminate Hamas negotiators certainly helped Trump to apply some much needed pressure to Bibi. As a result it looks like there’s somewhat of a chance a Palestinian Statehood may be recognised. Time will tell.

Hamas receive funds from Qatar, Iran and other places. They also get money from real estate, believe it or not in other countries around the world and use crypto currency expertly. So no, they’re not entirely self funded, similar to most guerrilla armies throughout time.

You do understand that the IDF could obliterate gaza in days, right?

The idf does not owe gaza anything, it's a war. As you said, guerilla war tactics were being used, so were siege tactics.

 

[Matty Bhoy]

You do understand that the IDF could obliterate gaza in days, right?

The idf does not owe gaza anything, it's a war. As you said, guerilla war tactics were being used, so were siege tactics.

They did obliterate it. They also denied the civilian population aid and food, committing genocide.

 

[Ruby Roundhouse]

They did obliterate it. They also denied the civilian population aid and food, committing genocide.

Genocide is a legal term, and if the ICC rules as such in feb 26, then you can call it a genocide.

It's a bad war that hamas shouldn't have started because they got their asses handed to them in a hi-hat

 

[Matty Bhoy]

Genocide is a legal term, and if the ICC rules as such in feb 26, then you can call it a genocide.

It's a bad war that hamas shouldn't have started because they got their asses handed to them in a hi-hat

I mean the International Association of Genocide Scholars has deemed it as such.

So too the United Nations Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Occupied Palestinian Territory, so I’m hardly jumping the gun.

The conflict goes back a lot further than Hamas’ actions on October 7 and few would call Israel’s actions proportionate in response. How can it be with 60,000 innocent civilians dead… But yes, it’s a “bad war”. As opposed to the other kind.

 

[Ruby Roundhouse]

I mean the International Association of Genocide Scholars has deemed it as such.

So to the United Nations Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Occupied Palestinian Territory, so I’m hardly jumping the gun.

The conflict goes back a lot further than Hamas’ actions on October 7 and few would call Israel’s actions proportionate in response. How can it be with 60,000 innocent civilians dead… But yes, it’s a “bad war”. As opposed to the other kind.

That doesn't make it a genocide, only the ICC can determine that.

 

[Bandwagon]

You do understand that the IDF could obliterate gaza in days, right?

No, literally they can't.

They could Nuke the joint, but then you know, the wind blows in the wrong direction and Greater Israel becomes uninhabitable. So not a great Idea

Genocide is a legal term, and if the ICC rules as such in feb 26, then you can call it a genocide.

That doesn't make it a genocide, only the ICC can determine that.

Nah, we've been through this, the ICC is a court, it determines who's guilty of what within it's jurisdiction, what has been done, is what has been done, their ruling doesn't change that.

The word genocide existed well before the ICC, so for example if we are to accept your proposition that genocide is a legal term and can only be determined by the ICC, the Holocaust was not a genocide, as it happened some 60 years before the ICC was established in 2002

 

[Ruby Roundhouse]

No, literally they can't.

They could Nuke the joint, but then you know, the wind blows in the wrong direction and Greater Israel becomes uninhabitable. So not a great Idea





Nah, we've been through this, the ICC is a court, it determines who's guilty of what within it's jurisdiction, what has been done, is what has been done, their ruling doesn't change that.

The word genocide existed well before the ICC, so for example if we are to accept your proposition that genocide is a legal term and can only be determined by the ICC, the Holocaust was not a genocide, as it happened some 60 years before the ICC was established in 2002

Doesn't mean nukes, they could fly 1000 sorties per day in a saturation bombing campaign in about a week. Let alone artillery or drones..

Yeah, the ICC is the only one who can make that ruling now.

 

[Bandwagon]

Doesn't mean nukes, they could fly 1000 sorties per day in a saturation bombing campaign in about a week. Let alone artillery or drones..

No they couldn't, they do not have the resources, first they don't have that kind of stockpile of munitions, second even if they did, it's been estimated they've dropped around 100,000 tons of explosive on Gaza, their air force mostly by numbers are F16's, with a payload of around 15000 pound max. So that's around 6700 loads at max capacity.

You just ain't doing that shit in a week.

Yeah, the ICC is the only one who can make that ruling now.

This is just objectively wrong for a start, and even then doesn't address the fact that genocide was a thing before the ICC was established, so again your thin definition is rendered unusable prior to 2002.

You are literally arguing that something only happened if a court determines so. This is a ridiculous position.

 

[the phantom menace]

Singer songwriters have called things genocide in the past - Solid Rock by Goanna for a start (great tune).

People don't have to wait for a ICC ruling on a matter before their court to make a view on whether something is a genocide or not.

The current Israeli government weaponised the IDF to invade lands outside of its borders - and under similar previous Netanyahu-led or right-wing Israeli government have been doing the same thing over decades.

The internationally agreed 1967 borders are where it should be at for Gaza and West Bank - anything else is an invasion at best, and given footage of what Gaza currently looks like it's hard to argue there hasn't been a genocide there, tbh.

 

[Ruby Roundhouse]

No they couldn't, they do not have the resources, first they don't have that kind of stockpile of munitions, second even if they did, it's been estimated they've dropped around 100,000 tons of explosive on Gaza, their air force mostly by numbers are F16's, with a payload of around 15000 pound max. So that's around 6700 loads at max capacity.

You just ain't doing that shit in a week.



This is just objectively wrong for a start, and even then doesn't address the fact that genocide was a thing before the ICC was established, so again your thin definition is rendered unusable prior to 2002.

You are literally arguing that something only happened if a court determines so. This is a ridiculous position.

Yes they do. They have over 300 combat aircraft and stockpiles of PGM's and dumb bombs (unguided), they could go even higher than 1000 sorties.

They have a shit tonne of stockpiles I don't think you understand? Do you really think they are not capable?

If somebody commits a crime, they are guilty without due process. See how that works, matey?

 

[Ruby Roundhouse]

People don't have to wait for a ICC ruling on a matter before their court to make a view on whether something is a genocide or not.

That's true and everyone is entitled to an opinion, but language is very important, and it's a legal definition. Meaning, a ruling must be made.

You can say plausible genocide, or plausible war crimes / ethnic cleansing, that would be fair.

I just think the word gets used too liberally.

 

[Avenger]

Seriously, I think you guys are completely f**ked in the head. Most of you make me sick to my core. Deep down, you haven’t got a clue — you just argue for the sake of your warped, self-serving agenda.

 

[hindy111]

2 more shootings in Western Sydney.
Where are the guns coming from?
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[Bandwagon]

If somebody commits a crime, they are guilty without due process. See how that works, matey?

What?

If someone commits a crime, and a court finds them not guilty, did they no longer commit that crime?