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Pretty chirpy for a loser that got knocked out last week.

For such a power club with the resources you have the only way to look at your whole organisation is that its failure.
mmm all clubs have the same salary cap and have to spend at least 97.5% of their salary cap. There is no carry over of unspent cap.

Sharks have won 1 comp during their whole history

Since Sharks came into the comp in 1967

Sharks - 4 Grand Finals includes a Super League Grand Finals - 1 premiership
Roosters - 12 Grand Finals - 6 Premierships

The Sharks should have merged with the Dragons and Illawarra - Southern Sydney Illawarra South Coast Sea Gulls
 

Ozzi_78

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mmm all clubs have the same salary cap and have to spend at least 97.5% of their salary cap. There is no carry over of unspent cap.

Sharks have won 1 comp during their whole history

Since Sharks came into the comp in 1967

Sharks - 4 Grand Finals includes a Super League Grand Finals - 1 premiership
Roosters - 12 Grand Finals - 6 Premierships

The Sharks should have merged with the Dragons and Illawarra - Southern Sydney Illawarra South Coast Sea Gulls
Don’t understand 3rd party payments do you. Go away. Again
 

shadowboxer

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Thought Roosters were dead certs to win the comp this year… was that media thoughts only I guess.
Actually most years.
I actually don’t have too much issue with them, but talking about third party payments with a straight face is laughable
 

Since 73

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Who the farks this lightweight on here from the roosters cesspit ??

Sprouting BS about the cocks being under the salary cap?!?!?
Seriously?...haha
Has to be either the best gee-up of all time or the dickhead knows less than four-fifths of farkall.

They are the most conniving scheming cheating under the table salary cap rorting bunch of cheats to ever run on a footy field since 1908.

Where would you start?
f**k me dead.
Throw the broncs,storm and sea Eagles exploits all together and they still fall short of what these burglars have gotten away with.

3 classics....
They win the spoon in early 70s and bring in a guy who was a muscle man and bag man for the Cross gangsters - and make him coach. Gibbo wins it the next year.
And again the next.
The beginning of a beautiful relationship with that element of Sydney who get what they want and nobody says boo.


The ARL appoint a salary cap auditor. Ian Schubert. A former Roosters legend.
You could not make this shit up.
Akin to appointing Ron Jeremy to oversee the virgins at the Sheikhs temple. Lol
Schubert did his job perfectly - he never uncovered one blemish in a decade.
Except Storm.
Absolute gold.

Search for the newspaper article from 2005.
Written by Andrew denton.
About Stickys roosters cheating the cap.
Its titled somethings off-key in the NRL choir
A staunch rabbitoh, denton lifts the lid and paints an honest picture which the RL world all know of but it was a case heads back in the sand. Nothing to see.
A great read if you can find it.
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Peach & Apricot

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Who the farks this lightweight on here from the roosters cesspit ??

Sprouting BS about the cocks being under the salary cap?!?!?
Seriously?...haha
Has to be either the best gee-up of all time or the dickhead knows less than four-fifths of farkall.

They are the most conniving scheming cheating under the table salary cap rorting bunch of cheats to ever run on a footy field since 1908.

Where would you start?
f**k me dead.
Throw the broncs,storm and sea Eagles exploits all together and they still fall short of what these burglars have gotten away with.

3 classics....
They win the spoon in early 70s and bring in a guy who was a muscle man and bag man for the Cross gangsters - and make him coach. Gibbo wins it the next year.
And again the next.
The beginning of a beautiful relationship with that element of Sydney who get what they want and nobody says boo.


The ARL appoint a salary cap auditor. Ian Schubert. A former Roosters legend.
You could not make this shit up.
Akin to appointing Ron Jeremy to oversee the virgins at the Sheikhs temple. Lol
Schubert did his job perfectly - he never uncovered one blemish in a decade.
Except Storm.
Absolute gold.

Search for the newspaper article from 2005.
Written by Andrew denton.
About Stickys roosters cheating the cap.
Its titled somethings off-key in the NRL choir
A staunch rabbitoh, denton lifts the lid and paints an honest picture which the RL world all know of but it was a case heads back in the sand. Nothing to see.
A great read if you can find it.
.

Let me get straight to the point: I cannot see how the Roosters are under the salary cap and I don't believe the game is benefiting from their actions.
Proof? I don't have any. But it wouldn't take the cast of Law And Order: Forensic Accountants to work out that something is off-key in the NRL choir.
Grab a pen and paper and let's look at the Roosters squad for 2005. Remember, the salary cap is $3.3 million and it's for 25 players.

Recently published figures suggest representative players Jason Cayless and Michael Crocker are paid $200,000 and $190,000 respectively. Former rep players Luke Ricketson and Chris Walker receive $150,000 and $200,000. Stuart Webb ($80,000) and Ned Catic ($75,000) make do on more modest sums.
Also mentioned was Brett Firman, one of three big signings last year, with Amos Roberts and Joel Monaghan. Firman, it seems, was on a $200,000 deal.

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How much has been spent so far? $1.095m. $2.20m to spare.
Those with good memories will remember that Roberts signed on for $250,000. Let's be conservative and say that Monaghan, an equally sought-after player, came for Firman's price of $200,000.
Taking Firman as the benchmark (and, remember, he wasn't even a regular first-grader, much less a rep player), it should be safe to assume that current and former rep players Chris Flannery, Ryan Cross and Brett Finch aren't playing for less.

But we're being charitable here. Let's say they're all happy to take a cut so they can play with Ricky and put them each at $190,000.
Running total: $2.115m. Still under the $3.3m cap.

Now the elite players - those who would cause a frenzy if they went on to the open market: Adrian Morley, Craig Wing, Craig Fitzgibbon and Anthony Minichiello. Clearly, none is playing for $200,000. Roberts is on $250,000 - and he's not at their level - so common sense suggests they're on more.
Let's put them on $275,000 each, except for Morley (an Englishman who will rightly expect to be compensated for the weak Australian dollar). We'll give him $300,000 - a steal when you consider the Roosters signed Bulldogs fringe player player Charlie Tonga during the week for $150,000 a year.
Cost to date: $3.240m. Looking shaky.

But the cap fits 25 players, each of whom must be paid a minimum $40,000. So far, we've accounted for 16. Who's left? The hottest young prop in the game, Anthony Tupou, is listed under the cap at $150,000.
Then there's Penrith import Richard Fa'aoso, Iosia Soliola (who Ricky says is the next big thing) and prolific junior Jamie Soward. What the hell, give them all the play-with-Ricky rate of $40,000, along with the other five needed to get us to 25.

Grand total? $3.710m. Oops.
Now I know what you're saying. The NRL has registered contracts. It says everything's OK. Where's your proof? Of course, I have none. And I'm sure all the contracts, as registered, add up.
But do I believe that they tell the whole story? Or that the salary cap is working? No. And I don't think many fair-thinking fans do either.

We're being treated like mushrooms - fed you know what and kept in the dark. Take the claim that Brad Fittler was on $350,000 a year. A legend of the game and he could get only $150,000 more than Firman? Oh please.
Then I read that Braith Anasta has passed up a $3m deal with Souths to sign a $900,000 one with the Roosters, and that Ashley Harrison has dropped $450,000 over three years to play with Ricky. And no one bats an eyelid?

Ricky Stuart is a great coach, but for players to take such huge discounts in the best earning years of their short careers? Seems unlikely. Other clubs sacrifice and shed profile players to develop new ones, but not the Roosters. They just sign better ones.
What is the benefit to rugby league of having some teams forever weak and another always strong?
Shouldn't all rugby league fans start the season genuinely believing their team might make the eight, might even win the comp? And if that were true, if we had a level playing field, wouldn't that make for a great competition?

Stop me before I go mad. Let's just say the Roosters really are under the cap. Let's say the system is operating as it should be, which is what the NRL claims. That leaves only one question: is it working? Here's what the NRL website says about the salary cap:
The primary function of the salary cap is "to assist in spreading the playing talent so that a few rich clubs cannot simply out-bid poorer teams for all the best players. The NRL believes that if a few clubs were able to spend unlimited funds in such a way, it would both reduce the attraction of games to fans, due to an uneven competition, and drive some clubs out of the competition".

I may not be able to prove how. I may not be able to prove who. And neither, perhaps, for all its best efforts, can the NRL. But when Anasta and Harrison run on with the all-star Roosters against Souths next year, I'll be able to prove this much: the system is broke, the whole town knows it, and it's time to fix it.
Andrew Denton, host of ABC TV's Enough Rope, is a lifelong rugby league fan and South Sydney supporter.

 

bluefox68

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Great read - it probably wouldn’t get published these days.

It’s sad, because it just reveals why there are so many teams that are destined to lose perpetually.

Wow - it’s quite depressing, isn’t it?!?
 

Since 73

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Cheating to win a comp.

Pure and simple.

The maths are there for all to see and cannot be disputed.

As denton says can he prove it - no, but he knows and so does everyone else.
Including those who run the game.

He explains that even when you attach a completely ridiculously low contract dollar to each of the 25 players they are over the cap.

When you total the real amounts it would be pythonesque.

And yet...a blind eye was turned.

Ian Schubert checked the contracts and everything was above board.

Hidden in plain sight.

But wait, look over there - Brett Pomeroy took peptides.
 

Ozzi_78

First Grade
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Cheating to win a comp.

Pure and simple.

The maths are there for all to see and cannot be disputed.

As denton says can he prove it - no, but he knows and so does everyone else.
Including those who run the game.

He explains that even when you attach a completely ridiculously low contract dollar to each of the 25 players they are over the cap.

When you total the real amounts it would be pythonesque.

And yet...a blind eye was turned.

Ian Schubert checked the contracts and everything was above board.

Hidden in plain sight.

But wait, look over there - Brett Pomeroy took peptides.
For 6 weeks with his brother Ben.
 

shadowboxer

First Grade
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That article is Denton ala the Boy Wonder to a tee.
Prolific and underrated completely throughout his career.
If you get the chance watch some of his ‘Enough Rope’ interviews on YouTube - they are a treat. Michael Stipe from REM was particularly memorable.

I do remember during the period when Souths were out of the comp, he wrote another poignant article about the utter feeling of despair of the heads of the leagues actions at the time. It was quite odd at the time, as he is always the quiet wit, but this involved some real negative shat. Ie - the roosters went to his kids school handing out information and membership applications in Rabbitohs heartland mind you. When his kid was out of the room he tore them up and threw them out, much to the offence of his wife, Jennifer Byrne.
The NRL would be scared if he ever made a run back into the media. He has guts in spades
 

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