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Rugby Australia to target top NRL talent

Gobsmacked

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I get that. We need established players though. That's what brings more eyes to the sport.
There's really not any players in Union that have a profile that will bring more eyes to the sport. It really only works the other way.
I don't know any Union players other than the ones who played NRL.

The exception is New Zealand where where All blacks have a high profile but that only works for New Zealand, won't move ratings here.

New Zealand 2 is hopefully team 20 and I'm hoping they pay some big dollars to lure a couple of All blacks for that effect.
New Zealand is our biggest growth prospect, fans, players, sponsorship and TV deals ripe for the picking and ready for an NRL revolution.
 

Dogs Of War

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There's really not any players in Union that have a profile that will bring more eyes to the sport. It really only works the other way.
I don't know any Union players other than the ones who played NRL.

The exception is New Zealand where where All blacks have a high profile but that only works for New Zealand, won't move ratings here.

New Zealand 2 is hopefully team 20 and I'm hoping they pay some big dollars to lure a couple of All blacks for that effect.
New Zealand is our biggest growth prospect, fans, players, sponsorship and TV deals ripe for the picking and ready for an NRL revolution.

I'm not talking about converting you to league. It's about union supporters who will tune in to see xyz player have a go in league. No different to when Union grabs a league player, they know we want to see how they go. Even if it's only for a quick gander. Sometimes that just starts someone following a sport cause they enjoyed the game they viewed. Loads of things need to line up. And don't think their isn't talent that would go well in league. There have been plenty who have made the cross over and done well. Plenty who haven't either. But that goes both ways really.
 

taipan

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I’d suggest nearly every rl fan of the era thought that union banning players that even trialled for a league team was draconian and grossly unfair. Fans in here have mentioned it over and over again, along with Vichy, whenever they want to stick the knife in to unions morality.
The difference was union in WW2 was supposedly amateur and the heads of that code sucked up to Vichy to ensure rugby league would be destroyed or made irrelevant as it was a threat to union .League was a fast open game attracting many new supporters and union then had a lot of violence attached.
In addition RL assets' were taken over by the union.The French govt in the 90s admitted the acts, but offered no reparations or handing back assets.
The R360 is a professional sport who had no pathways systems and is pillaging both traditional union now pro and the professional NRL.
Union's morality before fully pro in terms of 90s was shamateurism paying players under the table, via car boots and the predictable paper bags provided by wealthy supporters.
You comparison is full of holes.
 

titoelcolombiano

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It's a threat but it's not Rugby League comp it's a Rugby Union comp and it's not based in Australia and New Zealand but looking at the comments on X and the Roar NRL and PVL are getting stick which I don't see why as he has a job to in the NRL and fair play to him.
Yeah mate, people forget that it's the NRLs job to protect the competition and the game first and foremost
 

titoelcolombiano

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Nope, a player can claim that no one is willing to to sign him becuase of this edict and therefore it’s a restraint of trade. We saw it with ARL and it was overturned by the courts.
So deregistration is a restraint of trade?

Also, the clubs went to PVL and demanded action, he didn't act alone. The courts can't force clubs to sign particular players, so legal action is useless if the clubs won't sign them.

Now, usually you can rely on NRL clubs breaking ranks which is why them unanimously demanding this from the NRL is a big deal. They understand that breaking ranks on this issue could lead to an exodus of star talent.
 

T to the T

Juniors
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I see Perth Red has gone quiet since being universally schooled here 😂

There is also a very clear difference to why and how Mark Nawaqanitawase is handling his departure from the code at the end of next season, and that of the R360 snakes.

Nawaqanitawase would/should be welcome back after he scratches the RWC2027 itch👍
 

BODISGOD

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The difference was union in WW2 was supposedly amateur and the heads of that code sucked up to Vichy to ensure rugby league would be destroyed or made irrelevant as it was a threat to union .League was a fast open game attracting many new supporters and union then had a lot of violence attached.
In addition RL assets' were taken over by the union.The French govt in the 90s admitted the acts, but offered no reparations or handing back assets.
The R360 is a professional sport who had no pathways systems and is pillaging both traditional union now pro and the professional NRL.
Union's morality before fully pro in terms of 90s was shamateurism paying players under the table, via car boots and the predictable paper bags provided by wealthy supporters.
You comparison is full of holes.
Bringing up Vichy is weaksauce in this context, it's just an attempt to deflect on this specific point. For many many years certain rugby league types have been squealing about rugby union having bans on players once they left rugby union to go to rugby league, playing up the angle on the person looking to make money and ignoring the IP/protection of the game point that was part and parcel of the decision by rugby union to have those bans.

Of course it's amusing this was always brought up when rugby league themselves already had bans. The RFL successfully lobbied international rugby league authorities to ban British players who moved to Australia in the 1970s. This was a logical reaction by the RFL, who saw the game in England going backwards as they did not have pokies money to pay players like in Australia.

Similarly the PVL and ARLC decision here is logical and not one I'd disagree with. But the hypocrisy should be called out in the context of this narrative from some of you for years. This quote could have been attributed to rugby league for decades as they hoovered up Welsh rugby union talent to play for clubs- whereby they came in, offered the player a cheque and left Wales without much thought of the impact of rugby union grassroots but also nourishing the pathway which rugby league was plucking from themselves.

"Unfortunately, there will always be organisations that seek to pirate our game for potential financial gain," said ARLC chairman Peter V'landys in announcing the ban.

"They don't invest in pathways or the development of players. They simply exploit the hard work of others

"They are, in reality, counterfeiting a code.


If it were the case that "shamateurism" was paying all of the players anyway in Wales, they wouldn't have left. But dozens and dozens did leave, something that all but stopped once rugby union went professional. Why is that? You can do some mental gymnastics on that, but that's what happened.

In the decades where players did leave, Welsh rugby union suffered massively. Performances on the field in the 1980s were dreadful. It is actually a bit of a miracle that Welsh rugby union kept going and providing players for rugby league and rugby union, because rugby league was not far off the French in Haiti in terms of stripping the resources of the place without nourishing the sod.

This "morals" stuff is very amusing, you keep telling yourself that everything is black and white...
 
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T to the T

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Bringing up Vichy is weaksauce in this context, it's just an attempt to deflect on this specific point. For many many years certain rugby league types have been squealing about rugby union having bans on players once they left rugby union to go to rugby league, playing up the angle on the person looking to make money and ignoring the IP/protection of the game point that was part and parcel of the decision by rugby union to have those bans.

Of course it's amusing this was always brought up when rugby league themselves already had bans. The RFL successfully lobbied international rugby league authorities to ban British players who moved to Australia in the 1970s. This was a logical reaction by the RFL, who saw the game in England going backwards as they did not have pokies money to pay players like in Australia.

Similarly the PVL and ARLC decision here is logical and not one I'd disagree with. But the hypocrisy should be called out in the context of this narrative from some of you for years. This quote could have been attributed to rugby league for decades as they hoovered up Welsh rugby union talent to play for clubs- whereby they came in, offered the player a cheque and left Wales without much thought of the impact of rugby union grassroots but also nourishing the pathway which rugby league was plucking from themselves.

"Unfortunately, there will always be organisations that seek to pirate our game for potential financial gain," said ARLC chairman Peter V'landys in announcing the ban.

"They don't invest in pathways or the development of players. They simply exploit the hard work of others

"They are, in reality, counterfeiting a code.


If it were the case that "shamateurism" was paying all of the players anyway in Wales, they wouldn't have left. But dozens and dozens did leave, something that all but stopped once rugby union went professional. Why is that? You can do some mental gymnastics on that, but that's what happened.

In the decades where players did leave, Welsh rugby union suffered massively. Performances on the field in the 1980s were dreadful. It is actually a bit of a miracle that Welsh rugby union kept going and providing players for rugby league and rugby union, because rugby league was not far off the French in Haiti in terms of stripping the resources of the place without nourishing the sod.

This "morals" stuff is very amusing, you keep telling yourself that everything is black and white...
tldr.gif


Back to your cave troll 👍
 

Chimp

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If the NRLs ‘no fault stand down’ Policy can be deemed legal, where blokes can lose years of their career based on false allegations, or allegations that ultimately are not proven (therefore the individual is deemed innocent), then I actually think the NRL would have a chance of defending this, if they had to - but the point is, it should be enough of a deterrent to never need to be defended.

On a wider point, I suspect R360 is not all it seems anyway, it’s too much of a shitty idea to be legit. I think it’s being used as a vehicle to drive change in the rugby union world, and I’d expect that eventually the international rugby union bodies and club teams will work with the R360 folk to agree a joint venture that suits all parties. Wouldn’t surprise me to see them make a champions league type stand alone comp that runs over a short period of time and goes on this ‘circuit’ each year. It could even be the international teams - that solves the whole ‘made up’ teams problem, and entices an audience who already have a team to support in the comp.
 

Trifili13

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Briath Anasta said yesturday he was approached by R360 about Munster and he told them he wasn't able to talk to them.

If the 10 year bans stop agents even entering discussions with R360 it'll stop agents using it as a tool to push up thier players asking price.
This might be me being cynical but could also be a smokescreen by Anasta. Tell everyone I have been approached but I knocked them back. Everyone leaves Anasta alone because he is doing the right thing and he just continues to discuss with R360.

We all know that agents/players can't talk to other clubs when they are under contract yet it still occurs so will it really stop discussions with R360? Agents will just deny any figures were discussed and they were simply having coffee. Remember Gus never met Galvin.
 

BuffaloRules

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This might be me being cynical but could also be a smokescreen by Anasta. Tell everyone I have been approached but I knocked them back. Everyone leaves Anasta alone because he is doing the right thing and he just continues to discuss with R360.

We all know that agents/players can't talk to other clubs when they are under contract yet it still occurs so will it really stop discussions with R360? Agents will just deny any figures were discussed and they were simply having coffee. Remember Gus never met Galvin.

I’m sure R360 will be savvy enough to get an offer through to a player they really want … whether it’s via their agent or not
 

Trifili13

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If the NRLs ‘no fault stand down’ Policy can be deemed legal, where blokes can lose years of their career based on false allegations, or allegations that ultimately are not proven (therefore the individual is deemed innocent), then I actually think the NRL would have a chance of defending this, if they had to - but the point is, it should be enough of a deterrent to never need to be defended.

On a wider point, I suspect R360 is not all it seems anyway, it’s too much of a shitty idea to be legit. I think it’s being used as a vehicle to drive change in the rugby union world, and I’d expect that eventually the international rugby union bodies and club teams will work with the R360 folk to agree a joint venture that suits all parties. Wouldn’t surprise me to see them make a champions league type stand alone comp that runs over a short period of time and goes on this ‘circuit’ each year. It could even be the international teams - that solves the whole ‘made up’ teams problem, and entices an audience who already have a team to support in the comp.
The stand-down policy is for a player charged with a serious crime. Not saying that the 10-year ban won't be upheld by the courts but what crime has a player/agent discussing an R360 contract committed (apart from potentially choosing union over league🤣).

I am with you about R360 and it's motive. I don't see it as trying to damage rugby league otherwise they would have directly set up a rebel rugby league comp. I think it's about global streaming/PTV rights. Whether we like it or not, union has a larger global profile than league and the people behind R360 are trying to get a piece of that pie by getting the union officials to come to the table to negotiate. A bit like what we had with Super League in Australia. Whether R360 is a success or even gets up off the ground, who knows. We do know however that the lawyers will make money.
 

Dark Corner

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The stand-down policy is for a player charged with a serious crime. Not saying that the 10-year ban won't be upheld by the courts but what crime has a player/agent discussing an R360 contract committed (apart from potentially choosing union over league🤣).

I am with you about R360 and it's motive. I don't see it as trying to damage rugby league otherwise they would have directly set up a rebel rugby league comp. I think it's about global streaming/PTV rights. Whether we like it or not, union has a larger global profile than league and the people behind R360 are trying to get a piece of that pie by getting the union officials to come to the table to negotiate. A bit like what we had with Super League in Australia. Whether R360 is a success or even gets up off the ground, who knows. We do know however that the lawyers will make money.
If it was a Rugby League then it's Super League War MK2 but it's Union so cause it will casue damage to that code you think.
 

titoelcolombiano

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I see Perth Red has gone quiet since being universally schooled here 😂

There is also a very clear difference to why and how Mark Nawaqanitawase is handling his departure from the code at the end of next season, and that of the R360 snakes.

Nawaqanitawase would/should be welcome back after he scratches the RWC2027 itch👍
He's been quiet for a while with all the good news around the game lately... and then as soon as some potential trouble arises for the NRL he's here to sink the boot in.
 

Wb1234

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“Doran said that situation around this year's Australian U18 side will be no different, projecting that around half will leave to either play league or, in the case of star Heinz Lemoto, a French rugby deal.”

That’s where the real battle lies not at the top end and where league has killed union.

And yes some of them are probably league juniors who also play union but we used to lose some of them too

Dunno how union is able to produce decent juniors from a game dominated largely by private schools either
 

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