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Frank Burge

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Yes you are correct …I checked with ChatGPT….

They said that back in 2016 they lost $ 11 million, and $50 million between 2009-15…is that true ? Nice turnaround from then if that’s the case..Maybr the new stadium did help the revenues considerably (opened 2019)
They were losing a lot of money when they were at Homebush, not sure on previous seasons. The new stadium has definitely helped, average crowds are up around 50% and one side of the stadium is corporate so I’m sure they are up in that department as well
 

Pippen94

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Yes you are correct …I checked with ChatGPT….

They said that back in 2016 they lost $ 11 million, and $50 million between 2009-15…is that true ? Nice turnaround from then if that’s the case..Maybr the new stadium did help the revenues considerably (opened 2019)

Ai isn't accurate
 

Perth Red

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$1-2m as being anything typical is an over reach.. unless you are the broncos playing at Suncorp …

Your man Shane Richardson who turned around the Tigers in 18 months financially, said that the sold out Comm Bank game against the Eels on Easter Monday had about a million in revenue… that’s a 30k stadium with plenty of corporates ( where the real money is made) compared with your typical suburban crowd that would be struggling for half that amount I would wager
$1mill revenue for 30k tickets sold, beer and food sales and 30- 50 corporate boxes sold? Hmmm I’d be worried if my CEO was that bad at accounting! Maybe he meant profit?

eels on a crowd avg of 18.1k achieved $1.7mill a game revenue in gate takings, memberships and corporate sales.
 
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BuffaloRules

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$1mill revenue for 30k tickets sold, beer and food sales and 30- 50 corporate boxes sold? Hmmm I’d be worried if my CEO was that bad at accounting! Maybe he meant profit?

eels on a crowd avg of 18.1k achieved $1.7mill a game revenue in gate takings, memberships and corporate sales.

Where are you getting this figure from ?

These figures show lower

 

Perth Red

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Where are you getting this figure from ?

These figures show lower

Eels 2024 report
ticket sales and memberships $8.4million
Sponsorship and corporate sales $12.3million

which is what that report you linked says $20.7mill.
some is kit sponsorship but that is also aligned to exposure on game day and the suites sponsors get each game.
 

Perth Red

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Ah ..you are including sponsorship..

I think that’s your problem right there
Sponsorship has a direct relationship to gameday, in terms of exposure and suites sponsors get. The full sponsors value obviously isnt in just game day but a chunk of it is very much tied up in corporate game day sales.
 

BuffaloRules

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Sponsorship has a direct relationship to gameday, in terms of exposure and suites sponsors get. The full sponsors value obviously isnt in just game day but a chunk of it is very much tied up in corporate game day sales.

A “chunk” but you want to include the whole figure … jersey and shorts sponsorships would be the primary driver of this figure …and whilst that might come with a corporate box ..that ain’t the reason those companies are shelling out those kinda dollars

I’m going to go with the figures from Norman’s article putting the game revenue at around $800k average for Parra ..which is much higher than most clubs including the Tigers…. so you can see why Richo might be excited about a $1m game
 
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Perth Red

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A “chunk” but you want to include the whole figure … jersey and shorts sponsorships would be the primary driver of this figure …and whilst that might come with a corporate box ..that ain’t the reason those companies are shelling out those kinda dollars

I’m going to go with the figures from Norman’s article putting the game revenue at around $800k average for Parra ..which is much higher than most clubs including the Tigers…. so you can see why Richo might be excited about a $1m game
So you want to ignore all the corporate game day sales?
50+ boxes and suites at $8k-40k? And corporate lounges at $200-$600 a head per game? And their cut of food and beverage sales?
Ok.
 
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BuffaloRules

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So you want to ignore all the corporate game day sales?
50+ boxes and suites at $8k-40k? And corporate lounges at $200-$600 a head per game? And their cut of food and beverage sales?
Ok.

Im not ignoring anything ..I’m going on what I posted … there is a seperate figure on the bar chart for “game day” and “corporate hospitality “ which I assume includes those things .. h how many people do you think those lounges are holding ? It’s hundreds not thousands ..

To me it’s a much better source than just including “sponsorship” revenue that includes big ticket items like major jersey and shorts deals, and even literally dozens of corporate sponsor arrangements down to individual player sponsors that every team has
 
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Perth Red

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Im not ignoring anything ..I’m going on what I posted … there is a seperate figure on the bar chart for “game day” and “corporate hospitality “ which I assume includes those things .. h how many people do you think those lounges are holding ? It’s hundreds not thousands ..

To me it’s a much better source than just including “sponsorship” revenue that includes big ticket items like major jersey and shorts deals, and even literally dozens of corporate sponsor arrangements down to individual player sponsors that every team has
Annual reports don’t seperate out sponsorship and corporate hospitality in their revenue lines. Probably because the two are intertwined.
 

Perth Red

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Every cloud!
R360 causing the collapse of club rugby in England and wales would be great for rugby league!

Sale co-owner Michelle Orange says the proposed new R360 competition risks killing off club rugby around the world if it gets off the ground.
R360, fronted by former England centre Mike Tindall, aims to launch in October, after a recruitment drive to sign star names for eight men's teams and four women's teams who will compete on an F1-style circuit of events in major world cities.
However, Orange says she and fellow owners would withdraw from rugby rather than become R360 feeder clubs.
"If [R360] were to happen, I honestly think it will be the death knell for Premiership club rugby, not just in England, I think around the world," she told BBC Sport.
"We're certainly not going to keep investing all that money into building a pathway, only for Mike Tindall every three or four years…to take the cream off the top of the milk again.
"I'm not saying the Curry boys [Sale and England flankers Tom and Ben] are going to 360 - I'm just using them as an example – but if they went, by the time they retire, Mike Tindall's going to need to replace them and keep expecting me to replace them within my squad.
"Most clubs are being supported by wealthy individuals who love the sport, want to do their bit for the sport, but certainly aren't that stupid to keep putting money in to creating a conveyor belt that's going to fund R360 and get no compensation for it."
R360's organisers claim it will soon turn a profit, by drawing in fans who watch Test rugby but don't follow the current club game, as well as attracting new audiences.
It views its recruitment of overseas stars as no different from the sort of policy pursued by Japan's top-tier clubs.
All Blacks fly-half Richie Mo'unga and South Africa's two-time world player of the year Pieter-Steph du Toit are among those attracted to Japan Rugby League One by high wages and low workloads.
However, publicly at least, R360 is yet to make significant headway in building its roster.
Sale's George Ford and Northampton's Fin Smith renewed their club contracts amid R360 interest, while superstars Finn Russell and Antoine Dupont have extended deals with Bath and Toulouse respectively.
Orange says the impact of R360 would be most keenly felt in the women's game however, with England's Premiership Women's Rugby (PWR), which hosts big-name talent from around the world, particularly vulnerable.

"I think it would absolutely kill the women's game off," Orange added.

"I completely understand why any international player would want to join R360. When you look at what these girls are earning as wages now, it's still paltry compared to what the men get.

"And we're not going to be in a position for several years to even start thinking about those wages going up dramatically - just because there's not the money in the game.

"I don't want to ever deprive an athlete from going to earn better money for themselves, they deserve it.

"But Mike Tindall is going to need a minimum of 120 to 140 players to join his league to make it successful for the four female franchises.

"If you take 140 girls out of the PWR , it would decimate us.

"The player pool isn't good enough yet to be able to sustain such a loss. So I think it could be the end of the league."

 

BuffaloRules

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Annual reports don’t seperate out sponsorship and corporate hospitality in their revenue lines. Probably because the two are intertwined.

Well somehow the Daily Telegraph got the figures …likely from the NRL no doubt..

What the Annual Report says is kinda irrelevant when there is more specific information available
 
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BuffaloRules

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Annual reports don’t seperate out sponsorship and corporate hospitality in their revenue lines. Probably because the two are intertwined.

Also ..just give me an explanation how jersey and shorts sponsorship can be “intertwined “ to corporate hospitality
 

BuffaloRules

Coach
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Every cloud!
R360 causing the collapse of club rugby in England and wales would be great for rugby league!

Sale co-owner Michelle Orange says the proposed new R360 competition risks killing off club rugby around the world if it gets off the ground.
R360, fronted by former England centre Mike Tindall, aims to launch in October, after a recruitment drive to sign star names for eight men's teams and four women's teams who will compete on an F1-style circuit of events in major world cities.
However, Orange says she and fellow owners would withdraw from rugby rather than become R360 feeder clubs.
"If [R360] were to happen, I honestly think it will be the death knell for Premiership club rugby, not just in England, I think around the world," she told BBC Sport.
"We're certainly not going to keep investing all that money into building a pathway, only for Mike Tindall every three or four years…to take the cream off the top of the milk again.
"I'm not saying the Curry boys [Sale and England flankers Tom and Ben] are going to 360 - I'm just using them as an example – but if they went, by the time they retire, Mike Tindall's going to need to replace them and keep expecting me to replace them within my squad.
"Most clubs are being supported by wealthy individuals who love the sport, want to do their bit for the sport, but certainly aren't that stupid to keep putting money in to creating a conveyor belt that's going to fund R360 and get no compensation for it."
R360's organisers claim it will soon turn a profit, by drawing in fans who watch Test rugby but don't follow the current club game, as well as attracting new audiences.
It views its recruitment of overseas stars as no different from the sort of policy pursued by Japan's top-tier clubs.
All Blacks fly-half Richie Mo'unga and South Africa's two-time world player of the year Pieter-Steph du Toit are among those attracted to Japan Rugby League One by high wages and low workloads.
However, publicly at least, R360 is yet to make significant headway in building its roster.
Sale's George Ford and Northampton's Fin Smith renewed their club contracts amid R360 interest, while superstars Finn Russell and Antoine Dupont have extended deals with Bath and Toulouse respectively.
Orange says the impact of R360 would be most keenly felt in the women's game however, with England's Premiership Women's Rugby (PWR), which hosts big-name talent from around the world, particularly vulnerable.

"I think it would absolutely kill the women's game off," Orange added.

"I completely understand why any international player would want to join R360. When you look at what these girls are earning as wages now, it's still paltry compared to what the men get.

"And we're not going to be in a position for several years to even start thinking about those wages going up dramatically - just because there's not the money in the game.

"I don't want to ever deprive an athlete from going to earn better money for themselves, they deserve it.

"But Mike Tindall is going to need a minimum of 120 to 140 players to join his league to make it successful for the four female franchises.

"If you take 140 girls out of the PWR , it would decimate us.

"The player pool isn't good enough yet to be able to sustain such a loss. So I think it could be the end of the league."


England club rugby must have a worse broadcast deal than SuperLeague!

Why is relative of the King , Mike Tindall , looking to destroy their snooty game ? He might find himself homeless soon
 

Wb1234

Immortal
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France and Japan would be fine

But yeh the rest collapsing is a huge win for rugby league

It will happen anyway on a smaller scale French union is making everyone else broke trying to compete with their wages
 

Frank Burge

Juniors
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Also ..just give me an explanation how jersey and shorts sponsorship can be “intertwined “ to corporate hospitality
When I had a corporate box with the Eels at Commbank there was an option to sponsor a jersey number. Every time your number scored or kicked a goal they would say your company name on the big screen. Part of the package included an 8 seater open air box , so I can see how it is a blurry line

this isn’t a jersey or shorts sponsorship but I’m sure a box would be included for James Hardie
 

BuffaloRules

Coach
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this isn’t a jersey or shorts sponsorship but I’m sure a box would be included for James Hardie

yes as a throw in for paying a million plus a year to be the jersey sponsor … I assume you weren’t paying quite as much ?

James Hardie probably looking for a positive Conmunity association after a not so great history …

Companies have other motives to take out a sponsorship like that unrelated to corporate hospitality
 
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