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4th Ashes Test: Australia v England @ MCG Dec 26-30, 2025

Chins

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Correct.

People are so used to flat dead tracks in the modern era that the minute there's a degree or two of seam movement it's an outrage.
Was a 250 pitch and that's ok sometimes. Sure the balance was tipped towards the bowlers but not to the degree that people are carrying on about.
 

Canard

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The whole of the Australian cricketing world has criticised the Melbourne pitch.

But “racism”.
There have been no accusations of cheating or pitch doctoring, though.

It's the same as when one of our athletes is caught using PEDs, it's always "a mistake" or "a headache tablet".

And 36 wickets in 2 days and zero half centuries is not fine.
 

Front-rower2

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There have been no accusations of cheating or pitch doctoring, though.

It's the same as when one of our athletes is caught using PEDs, it's always "a mistake" or "a headache tablet".

And 36 wickets in 2 days and zero half centuries is not fine.

Blame the players who have no ability to concentrate or construct an innings unless it is entirely in their favour. Even Smith carried on with his antics like the wicket was something from the uncovered wicket pre war era.
 

Chins

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There have been no accusations of cheating or pitch doctoring, though.

It's the same as when one of our athletes is caught using PEDs, it's always "a mistake" or "a headache tablet".

And 36 wickets in 2 days and zero half centuries is not fine.
This reads like you looked at the score and watched none of the game
 

TheParraboy

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There have been no accusations of cheating or pitch doctoring, though.

It's the same as when one of our athletes is caught using PEDs, it's always "a mistake" or "a headache tablet".

And 36 wickets in 2 days and zero half centuries is not fine.


Hang on, that doesnt make sense

What punishment have players of all colours got for ball tampering cheating over the years ???

And more importantly what was the outcry form their own nation??

Compare this to what our 3 went through from.....its own nation

This MCG test there was more grass put on it than there should have been. The curator needs a kick up the ass. Its cost us millions. Favoured the bowlers a bit too much, most of the aussie commentators and media agreed, when you add some wickets fell due to poor technique, you have what you have
 

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Curator has his say..,





MCG head curator Matt Page has confessed he was in a “state of shock” watching the carnage unfold during this week’s Boxing Day Test, admitting he was “really disappointed” with the two-day outcome.

England won the fourth Ashes Test in less than 32 hours, with 36 wickets falling across two days at the iconic Victorian venue, making it the third-shortest Ashes contest on Australian soil in Test history. Courtesy of the seam movement and extra bounce, no player from either team managed a half-century, which had not occurred in a Test match in Australia since 1932.

More than 90,000 fans were expected for the sold-out third day in Melbourne, with Cricket Australia expected to lose millions from the shortened contest.

Page fronted the media outside the MCG on Sunday morning to explain the challenges he faced while preparing the pitch, expressing his dismay at the result.

“We’re obviously really disappointed that it’s gone two days,” he told reporters.

“We’d rather be in there (today) watching these two great teams going at it.

“We’ll learn from this, we’ll get better from it, as we have done over the last seven years with every setback we’ve faced.

“We’ll grow from it, and we’ll ensure that we get it right again next year.”

Page, who has held the position for eight years, also confirmed the weather forecast of hot conditions on Sunday and Monday, days three and four, contributed to the decision to leave 10mm of grass on the pitch, up from 7mm last year.

The MCG has previously been guilty of producing flat, benign wickets that favoured batting, most notably during the 2017 Ashes Test where 24 wickets fell across five days. The lifeless pitch drew heavy criticism from players and administrators, with match referee Ranjan Madugalle handing down a ‘poor’ rating in his official report.

“Our issues here, with deterioration in pitches getting very flat, has been well documented. We’re really conscious of that,” he continued.

“We don’t want to go back to where we were in 2017, and our grass is vitally important to what we do.

“We left (the grass) longer because we knew we were going to get (hot) weather at the back end, where we knew we’d need our grass.”

He added: “The margins are very small, but in the back of your mind, you’re always trying to provide captivating Test cricket, that balance between bat and ball, and going four or five days. We’ve produced a Test that’s been captivating, but it hasn’t gone long enough, and we’ll take ownership of that.”

Page added he was particularly surprised by the bounce on offer across the first two days – Australian batter Marnus Labuschagne was twice struck on the glove on Saturday by deliveries that reared off a good length.

“I was in a state of shock after the first day, to see everything that happened, 20 wickets in a day,” he said.

“I’ve never been involved in a Test match like it, and hopefully never involved in a Test match like it again.

“It was a roller coaster ride for two days to see everything unfold.”

Speaking to reporters in Melbourne on Sunday, Australian opener Travis Head confessed that he “felt for” Page and his team, acknowledging the fine margins in preparing an adequate Test wicket.

“It’s bloody tough,” he said.

“You leave one or two millimeters on with high-quality bowling and you find yourself short. You take two or three mil millimeters with high-quality batting and you’re (too far) the other way.

“Everyone wants to see wickets ... (but) there needs to be a balance.”

Melbourne Cricket Club chief executive Stuart Fox also spoke at Sunday’s press conference, sharing his sympathies with fans and CA.

“I didn’t think we’d be standing out here doing a press conference this morning. I thought we’d be getting ready for day three,” he said.

“We didn’t plan for it. We didn’t want this to happen, it’s obviously challenging times for us.

“This pitch has clearly favoured the bowlers and hasn’t given the batters a good opportunity to get set, so we’re obviously disappointed.”

He added: “Our responsibility is to provide a pitch with good balance between bat and ball. We just weren’t able to do that.”

Despite the pitch debacle, Fox declared that he stood by Page and his team “100 per cent”.

“We brought Matt on eight years ago because he’s considered one of the best in the country, if not the best, and I still believe that, and I always will,” he continued.

“He’s done a great job. He and his team worked tirelessly to get this right. You can see he’s disappointed today. He carries that responsibility, and my job as a leader is to support people.”

Meanwhile, Fox revealed the blunt feedback CA offered the MCC after the two-day shootout.

“They’re disappointed that it’s gone two days,” he said.

“We were probably heading time an all time Ashes (attendance) record here at the ‘G, which would have been terrific.”

With tongue firmly in cheek, Fox also offered the reporters some meat pies, acknowledging the venue was flooded with food that had been allocated for the final three days of the match.

“The good news story is that we will donate all the perishables to Second Bite, one of our charity partners, who get the food and give it to the homeless,” he said.

“I can assure you, there’s plenty there, and there will be people who need it who will be really well fed over the next few days.”

The fifth and final Ashes Test between Australia and England gets underway at the SCG on December 4.
 
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He added: “Our responsibility is to provide a pitch with good balance between bat and ball. We just weren’t able to do that.”

no shit

so why did you leave 11mm of grass on the pitch, which is double the normal preparation ?

dumb
 

Eelectrica

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If they want tests to last longer than 2-3 days, pick batsmen who can last more than 5-10 minutes.
Yeah the pitch wasn't super awesome and was doing some funny things, but some of the shot selection wasn't great either. I don't know what Khwaja was thinking with his shot for example.

Smithy should have had a 200+ target in mind and aimed to get that and farmed the strike a bit more.
When Neser was leaking runs early, he needed to be swapped with Boland who was economic or Richardson. Just gave away free runs we couldn't afford to give away.
 

Bazal

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no shit

so why did you leave 11mm of grass on the pitch, which is double the normal preparation ?

dumb

They explained that.

This is the biggest storm in a teacup since we handed out year long bans for something Indian, Pakistani, English and South African blokes got a match off for. If even two or three blokes had some bits and some technique, we'd be watching the third innings today with about 500 total on the board across the first two.
 

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They explained that.

This is the biggest storm in a teacup since we handed out year long bans for something Indian, Pakistani, English and South African blokes got a match off for. If even two or three blokes had some bits and some technique, we'd be watching the third innings today with about 500 total on the board across the first two.

We will obviously disagree on that but I noticed you said "if", and that would be a huge if. The fact is it didn't happen and 4 innings averaged 122 and by their own admission, the groundsman said the pitch was not up to it.

12 run pitch is not what we should be playing test matches on. A sorting pitch is generally around 250 runs, which I like much more than 500 run pitches.

There are quiet a lot of media, and ex players, all havng a whinge about a test being finished by 5.30 on day 2, and I've not seen anyone blame the batsmen.
 

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We will obviously disagree on that but I noticed you said "if", and that would be a huge if. The fact is it didn't happen and 4 innings averaged 122 and by their own admission, the groundsman said the pitch was not up to it.

12 run pitch is not what we should be playing test matches on. A sorting pitch is generally around 250 runs, which I like much more than 500 run pitches.

There are quiet a lot of media, and ex players, all havng a whinge about a test being finished by 5.30 on day 2, and I've not seen anyone blame the batsmen.

Mate, you're usually the first to call out media BS so I don't believe you've been fooled by it here.

Fact is they love some outrage and it's an easy target. It wasn't a great pitch. But the rhetoric is that it was dire, horrific, borderline dangerous which is absolutely not the case. It was a 200 to 250 first innings pitch where both sides played like park cricketers

It was a pitch that seamed a bit. How many batsmen would you say got out to genuinely unplayable balls?
 

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It was a pitch that seamed a bit. How many batsmen would you say got out to genuinely unplayable balls?

I would say about 60% to 70% were due to the pitch. What is also important to note is how many plays and misses ?

For example, I saw comments on Oozie's dismissal. The ball got big on him very quickly, as he went from a pull shot to having to play a hook shot and took his eyes off the ball as it reared on him, then he had to play a hurried hook shot that went in the air. I dont believe that was his intention as the ball approached him, and he's usually pretty good on the pull shot. I put that down to the pitch, yet some said it was just a poor shot.

I get what you are saying with the media but if you recall, I posted a comment early on day 1 on the pitch and the length of the grass, with a link to AI, that said it was double what it should be so I formed that opinion about 2 days before the media outrage was posted, so in this case I was just using them as back up.

Easy when it suits your argument, I guess.
 

Bazal

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I would say about 60% to 70% were due to the pitch. What is also important to note is how many plays and misses ?

For example, I saw comments on Oozie's dismissal. The ball got big on him very quickly, as he went from a pull shot to having to play a hook shot and took his eyes off the ball as it reared on him, then he had to play a hurried hook shot that went in the air. I dont believe that was his intention as the ball approached him, and he's usually pretty good on the pull shot. I put that down to the pitch, yet some said it was just a poor shot.

I get what you are saying with the media but if you recall, I posted a comment early on day 1 on the pitch and the length of the grass, with a link to AI, that said it was double what it should be so I formed that opinion about 2 days before the media outrage was posted, so in this case I was just using them as back up.

Easy when it suits your argument, I guess.
Well then we're never going to even come close cos I can think of maybe 2 or 3 that were due to the pitch IMO....

And using Uzi as an example of the pitch is probably the worst example. It was a shit shot, nothing more. Balls get big on every single deck apart from maybe a handful of Indian dustbowls.
 

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This is the curator's explanation, basically he is saying he wanted the pitch to last 5 days.

 
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Wonder if this becomes the tipping point to where CA has input on pitch preparation.

Or is CA facing another year of huge financial losses and Greenberg is looking for someone to throw under the bus. After they lost a boatload of money last year through the BGT I would think another poor year could see ol’ Todd back up the job centre.
 

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Wonder if this becomes the tipping point to where CA has input on pitch preparation.

Or is CA facing another year of huge financial losses and Greenberg is looking for someone to throw under the bus. After they lost a boatload of money last year through the BGT I would think another poor year could see ol’ Todd back up the job centre.
There is an article I posted earlier in the thread where Toddy has suggested CA get a say in pitch preparation. I’ll find it and link it here for you.

 
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