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Parramatta Stadium Rebuild and other stuff

Twizzle

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How Parra Council can control the building costs ?

Nothing to do with them. Costs are controlled by the architects down to the builders. Materials are specified by architects, they will have been given a brief to work with and a budget to work to.
 
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Fair enough. So pretty much the same as for other infrastructure projects then - that some want to blame the state Labor government here for cost blowouts, impacts to infrastructure budgets, and cancellation of previously proposed but yet to be commenced projects?
 

Twizzle

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Council have done the right thing here. Its over the budget they provided so go back and redesign to the brief they were given. This is not how all govt departments work, but council have done the right thing from what I can tell from the article, although there is no doubt more to it.

If you are tring to compare this with transport infrastructure where components are monopolised, you're kidding yourself.
 

Eelogical

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I see that Mebourne's Westgate Tunnel has finally opened. Over budget and over time. 10.2 billion for a two minute drive. Nice one Victoria!
 
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A Labor build as well. But it's only the Libs that f**k up eh?
Karma Twist GIF
 

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SMH editorial...

https://search.app/excXn

Sydney Metro line appears to be off the rails again

The Minns government is running a slow-train-coming strategy on building vital transport infrastructure, repeatedly missing its own timetable for awarding the final contracts for Sydney’s largest metro rail project.

The delays have thrown into doubt the ability of contractors to complete the $29 billion underground line between the central city and Parramatta on time by 2032.

The Herald’s Matt O’Sullivan reports that Sydney Metro documents show the government agency has frequently deferred forecast dates for awarding multibillion-dollar contracts over the past 18 months.

Reasons for the delays include the installation of electrical and mechanical equipment for the automated railway; the construction of five stations at Westmead, North Strathfield, Burwood North, Five Dock and The Bays at Rozelle; other contracts for trains and systems, and operations and maintenance.

Adjunct professor at Sydney University’s Institute of Transport and Logistics Studies, Martin Locke, said contracting delays would lead to cost increases and add to pressure on contractors to complete Metro West by the scheduled opening date. “The longer you drag these things out, the more scope there is for other factors to change,” he said. “It begs the question of what is causing the hold-up in the awarding of contracts. It is already behind schedule.”

The government rebooted the project in December 2023 to “a more sustainable timeline”, delaying the opening by two years to 2032. At the time, it said the extra construction period would mean “taxpayers will not be paying a premium to deliver the project”.

Experts warned at the time that the cost of building extra stations and altering its alignment would add billions of dollars to the project’s existing price tag of $25.3 billion, which under the previous government’s plans comprised nine stations.

Then, earlier this month, the government confirmed the cost of Metro West would blow out by as much as $3.7 billion to $29 billion, but sought to lay blame on the previous government.

Sydney is worthy of such city-defining projects like Metro West. They will reshape the way we live, work and play for generations to come, and it should not be forgotten that Labor opposed the privatisation agenda that allowed the then-Coalition government to fund them.

But after nearly three years in office, continuing to blame the past is losing its political lustre.

However, the blow out is serious money, even in a state as big as NSW and a city as large as Sydney, and the government can do little but set its sights on completing the existing projects and rebuilding the ageing heavy rail network.

The government last week released its draft Sydney Plan, projecting 20 years ahead with 6.5 million residents around more than 40 “interconnected centres” to provide most jobs and services. Given such massive growth, the demand for new infrastructure is patent. Yet when it comes to trains, not only is the government failing to build more for the future, it cannot even manage to finish the projects started by the Coalition.
 
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I thought the SMH was always too soft on the Labor government when it comes to infrastructure, in the opinion of some? Hard to know when to believe it, and when not to believe it, I guess...
 
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"Commuters have been slow to make use of the $2.9 billion Parramatta Light Rail service, with daily patron numbers about half the state government's projections."

So usage of the Parramatta light rail has been below expectations with a number of safety incidents. Growth ahead of its extension to Olympic Park is tipped - only provided that more housing is built along the route/s to "drive patronage".

 

Suitman

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Wow, fancy a govt pre-planning transport infrastructure for future population growth?
Who'd have ever that would be good govt policy.?
Certainly not Labor. No more metro planning until 2040 they keep telling us.
 
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Well, the article's about light rail (not Metro) being well below it's current targets based on existing population... and those projection are Departmental, rather than governmental (dependent on political party). But, you do you...
 

Eelogical

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Wow, fancy a govt pre-planning transport infrastructure for future population growth?
Who'd have ever that would be good govt policy.?
Certainly not Labor. No more metro planning until 2040 they keep telling us.
If the average merkin looks at a map of the Sydney metro area the possibilities are endless as far as public transport is concerned. The obvious fact is that that planning and developing these projects will always be well behind keeping up with future demands. Western Sydney Airport is an example. For me St Mary's Station should become a second Central Station - looking towards the future. But that's just only one part of the Metro jig saw.
 

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If the average merkin looks at a map of the Sydney metro area the possibilities are endless as far as public transport is concerned. The obvious fact is that that planning and developing these projects will always be well behind keeping up with future demands. Western Sydney Airport is an example. For me St Mary's Station should become a second Central Station - looking towards the future. But that's just only one part of the Metro jig saw.

What has become apparently clear is that fast modern metro is extremely popular, even if the majority of passengers have to stand for their journey. That is what metro is meant to be.
Just look at all the major cities in Europe and that is what they have.
The Sydney Metro (as it now stands) is the 2nd busiest rail line in Sydney already and it won't be long before it is first, once the Bankstown extension eventually opens.
This just goes to show how efficient, reliable and popular it is.

There are just three metro extensions that are important and should be built at this time.
Firstly, the extension from Tallawong to Schofields to interchange with the T9 Sydney Trains line. A short 4 km extension. Cheap.
Secondly, an extension of the WSA line from St Mary's to Schofields to interchange with the M1.
Thirdly, extending the WSA metro from Bradfield to Glenfield.
These three lines would connect the whole of north-west and south-west Sydney to the new WSA, which is the targeted traveller of the new airport.
What is Labor doing? Not building any of them and have decided to run f**king buses instead.
It's embarrassing.
 

Suitman

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Well, who would believe it?

Finally, some info is coming through re metro west progress.
Contracts finally being let. About f**king time.
A render here from Lend Lease of one of the Hunter Street Tower station entrances.

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