Rumours and Stuff

[Stevie]

If a party doesn't produce something, it is difficult to enforce unless you have prior knowledge that such document exists.

Yes, people can attempt to be "clever" and tailor the docs produced.

However, I have seen on many occasions where a long and tedious matter produces documents from other sources and/or communications that later show that the documents in question almost certainly existed and were never produced.

This can be catastrophic for a party like the storm as it can destroy credibility or lead to inferences against the party that the documents were unfavourable at the very least. It can sometimes be seen as contemptuous

Cool thanks. It was a genuine question. I personally think Storm already have zero credibility though however I am sure they don’t see themselves this way.

 

[Gazzamatta]

If a party doesn't produce something, it is difficult to enforce unless you have prior knowledge that such document exists.

Yes, people can attempt to be "clever" and tailor the docs produced.

However, I have seen on many occasions where a long and tedious matter produces documents from other sources and/or communications that later show that the documents in question almost certainly existed and were never produced.

This can be catastrophic for a party like the storm as it can destroy credibility or lead to inferences against the party that the documents were unfavourable at the very least. It can sometimes be seen as contemptuous

Could it be that Our Eels are aware of such happenings? This would appear to be the reasoning for the request not just hoping something exists.
Im thinking it's not the reason Lomax asked for a release but it could be after R360 fell over and before they requested negotiations from Our Eels.

 

[chiefy1]

Hahahaha sorry I had a very, very rare sleep in. Same person from inside the club shared this as things I have shared previously.

I’ll do my best to remember as I had a thousand beers yesterday. Should have not put my Ring cameras on mute lol.

Feedback I got was a lot of frustration between the playing group and Jim CEO, Mon, Ben Rogers is it?, and some other guy from R&R.

Matto has openly told pretty much anyone that he is “collecting his paycheque”. He is not necessarily seen as disliked as he gives the impression of caring more about family and his devotion to religion. Massively upsetting to hear we waste a top 30 spot in him though.

Mitch Moses is intense, like really intense internally. Was told he was picked because he is our best player, not because he is our best leader. In fact, far from it.

Moses is apparently VERY pissed off with the club atm. We have got “a shitload of cap space” but I was told we haven’t even come close to landing one. The only thing of note we’ve really landed was Pezet who is a rookie and gone after his learning year with the club.

An example I was told was when Talagi was being courted to stay, we rolled out Steve Ella. The comment was no disrespect to Steve Ella, but Talagi didn’t even know who he was, let alone admired him. Penrith rolled out Nathan Cleary and it was a no contest!

We have this new super impressive training facility and wonderful setup, loads of cap, great brand but I was told “no one wants to come to Parramatta”.

The thought from the playing group is one of frustration and anger around the squad and depth. There have been times when they finish training and all put their hands in and say “1,2,3 f**k Jim!”. I can only assume this is not around JR but I didn’t ask.

Ryles plays an extremely structured footy and outgoing players have openly criticised the lack of “off the cuff” footy with offloads. Dylan Brown despite getting a massive offer was not enjoying the style of football much. Carty has been very open with his criticism of the teams style. My comments to this was the older style of footy won us nothing and we agreed.

There is a school of thought we are effectively playing a very Melbourne style without the cattle to make it effective. I’m told that’s the thought from Moses and a couple senior players.

I am not implying they are unhappy under Ryles, that’s not was not what was said to me I want to be clear on that. In fact the feedback was the “footy culture” seems really good. But there is significant disharmony between the playing group and Jim and Co.

Players are concerned about the impression people aren’t lining up to knock on our door. None of the Melbourne players had any interest in us with the Lomax swap.

This could absolutely be Juniors last season, but he may go another one. Apparently BA is still a “fatherly figure” to Junior and they talk every day. There is a thought BA will take him wherever he is in an immediate coaching capacity. I believe this will be a huge opportunity missed if it happens.

I was told Gutho absolutely hates Parra now. He has told others he will not have anything to do with the club post football which although I’m not a huge fan of him personally he was our best player for a very long time. He is far from a leader though but I had suspected that. There is a school of thought he should have been playing centre and at the same time been able to turbocharge Ionghi’s development whilst finishing as a Parra legend, that’s all gone now.

The comments to me are that we don’t really have any legends of the club that are relevant. We have Cayliss, Burt, etc but they are hardly considered legends of the game broadly speaking and even Hindy never won a competition. We just don’t have the strategy or firepower.

I’m sure there is more stuff I’ll remember but wanted to share. I’ve tried to seperate my opinions for another post and keep this as close to how it was said to me directly.

Hope you guys bloody appreciate this effort during my headache lol.

F*** Gutherson. He took the club through the wringer twice in contract negotiations His management threw insults at Parramatta that Gutherson didn't dismiss, and blabbed to the media at how much Parramatta should be paying him, so the so called "school of thought" - I'd like to know who the people are that are preaching this "school of thought".
I also don't agree with other comments you've made like why Talagi chose the Panthers - the 5/8 position was available there and it wasn't clear what Brown would be doing - so that comment clearly wrong and disrespectful towards Steve Ella and the club.

There's other comments i don't agree with and will deal with it ltr.

Clearly the "school of thought" coming from the feedback you've received, judging by these two comments, is a flawed argument.

On Ryles's systems, the fact that the team were on the improve after midway through the year - beating the Roosters, Warriors and Brisbane, while going down narrowly to Melbourne --- the notion that players such as Moses are concerned about Ryles's style is laughable. The improvements completely contradict that notion

 

[SLRBRONCOS]

It’s probably Martina’s 12 inch strap on, it’s how they have lured Zack to the Storm.

he’s always given off Sloppy bottom vibes @SLRBRONCOS

I will rail Zac fiercely on behalf of my friendly Eelbros

 

[85 Baby]

Could it be that Our Eels are aware of such happenings? This would appear to be the reasoning for the request not just hoping something exists.
Im thinking it's not the reason Lomax asked for a release but it could be after R360 fell over and before they requested negotiations from Our Eels.

I think it’s a big part of our argument.
I highly doubt this was some grand scheme to use R360 as a smokescreen to sign with Scums, but I do reckon there were discussions between him and them prior to release and immediately after R360 collapse/before contacting us.

I’m not fully confident we win this, but I think it’ll at least be an English cricket level moral victory, where everyone else comes out looking like shit.

 

[Eelementary]

Sorry if I’m a bit slow, but is this from the legal reports in the paper?

Maybe some legal eagles can help my knowledge here but what’s to stop Melbourne simply deleting emails in relation to Lomax that are incriminating?

What’s to stop them deleting messages and calls etc from phones? And suggesting the player manager and Lomax do the same?

This is a genuine question btw. It’s not like their offices have been raided and everything seized, they’ve had many days to align their story, removing anything that doesn’t support it.

For a case such as this, I imagine we are relying on what they supply us and I can’t imagine scum are going to incriminate themselves.

Is that how the process works? The courts warn just rely on the honesty of people being involved??

Surely it’s just a f**king waste of time as who would hand phone messages/emails to get them in big trouble?

Let’s not forget this is a club convicted of systematically rotting the cap, having 2 sets of books and players that were in on it. The whole club stinks.

Nothing is to stop them.

But I believe that a subpoena usually requires the requested documents to be handed to the court.

I am not knowledgeable enough to know whether there would be further recourse available if there was suspicion that Melbourne had tampered with documents.

 

[Eelementary]

Don't forget that the request for the specified documents to be subpoenaed would have been submitted by Arthur Moses, a seasoned, and very skilled, lawyer.

I doubt he would have made that request without reason - there must be some substance to this, whether it comes from the Storm, or Shifcofske.

And imagine if, hypothetically, the Storm deleted the requested documents - but they surfaced from Shifcofske's side of things...no amount of NRL Storm knob-polishing would save them from the justice system there...

And Shifcofske has more to lose than the Storm, being that he is "just" a player agent with comparatively limited resources, compared to the Storm - one would think that Shifcofske would be petrified to falsify anything, for fear of repercussions.

 

[Stevie]

I think it’s a big part of our argument.
I highly doubt this was some grand scheme to use R360 as a smokescreen to sign with Scums, but I do reckon there were discussions between him and them prior to release and immediately after R360 collapse/before contacting us.

I’m not fully confident we win this, but I think it’ll at least be an English cricket level moral victory, where everyone else comes out looking like shit.

I’m going off zero expertise here but I just reckon we absolutely smash Lomax in court. It’s so f**king black and white what happened I think and him throwing his toys plays right into our hands.

 

[Timana]

Maybe jr still has some contacts in melb that tipped him off

 

[Poupou Escobar]

If you have a good profile and management Third Party Contracts are available.

Those TPAs don’t make a difference. JAC can get them regardless of whichever club he plays for, so no club is advantaged by them. They aren’t what we’re talking about when we talk about the disparity between clubs.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Maybe some legal eagles can help my knowledge here but what’s to stop Melbourne simply deleting emails in relation to Lomax that are incriminating?

What’s to stop them deleting messages and calls etc from phones? And suggesting the player manager and Lomax do the same?

This definitely happens, especially when the likes of the NRL come calling. They have no special enforcement rights. They can’t criminally prosecute people. They can’t compel other businesses to hand over digital forensic evidence. So there’s no risk in trying to hide information from them. But when it goes to court it’s a different world. Most people will behave themselves.

The Storm had two sets of books for a reason. One was for lying to the NRL. The other was to avoid getting in trouble with the law.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Here ya go!

Rumours and Stuff

Brent Read ‏@brentread_7 5s5 seconds ago Semi Radradra's manager George Christodoulou has confirmed he will be back to play Cronulla and will see out his contract until end of 2017.

forums.leagueunlimited.com

When you’re the target of personal attacks, feel free to follow my example. Piss and moan all you like. But when people challenge your arguments, think WWPD and take the time to reply in kind.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

You can't delete digital stuff these days. You can only remove from view.

If anyone is dumb enough to withhold evidence or tamper and risk being in contempt, then they deserve to go to jail. Worse, the law takes a very dim view of a company doing it.

Anyway, how do you know that they (the other side) don't have a copy of (or witness that knows about) what you deleted ?

ffs

 

[Poupou Escobar]

If a party doesn't produce something, it is difficult to enforce unless you have prior knowledge that such document exists.

Yes, people can attempt to be "clever" and tailor the docs produced.

However, I have seen on many occasions where a long and tedious matter produces documents from other sources and/or communications that later show that the documents in question almost certainly existed and were never produced.

This can be catastrophic for a party like the storm as it can destroy credibility or lead to inferences against the party that the documents were unfavourable at the very least. It can sometimes be seen as contemptuous

ffs also

 

[Poupou Escobar]

bingo

ffs

 

[Soren Lorenson]

#Mozet

Moses move that should alert rivals; shock contender for head coach job — Crawls

Star’s massive welcome gesture to Eels recruit; shock bolter for coach job — Crawls

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[Tiger5150]

When you’re the target of personal attacks, feel free to follow my example. Piss and moan all you like. But when people challenge your arguments, think WWPD and take the time to reply in kind.

You realise that the post you were replying to wasn’t me complaining about people challenging my argument? I was pointing out to fur boy that if he is bored interjecting in a discussion between you and I, he is welcome to abstain if that relieves his boredom.

I didn’t complain once about anyone challenging my argument.

funny, I seem to remember someone talking about building strawmen? Can you remember who that was?

 

[TheCrowe]

Those TPAs don’t make a difference. JAC can get them regardless of whichever club he plays for, so no club is advantaged by them. They aren’t what we’re talking about when we talk about the disparity between clubs.

Yes we understand the difference between a legal and illegal TPA.

 

[TheCrowe]

You realise that the post you were replying to wasn’t me complaining about people challenging my argument? I was pointing out to fur boy that if he is bored interjecting in a discussion between you and I, he is welcome to abstain if that relieves his boredom.

I didn’t complain once about anyone challenging my argument.

funny, I seem to remember someone talking about building strawmen? Can you remember who that was?

You realise he really doesn't care and just gets off on getting people to argue with him?

 

[King-Gutho94]

Did anyone hear the Trainwreck of a quiz involving 2 Parra fans on Parramatta general knowledge this morning on SEN Breakfast to win a prize from the club.

In all seriousness how hard were those 3 Questions to answer.

I would have thought knowing your going on radio to win a prize you would sharpen up the general knowledge of the club's history.

The 3 Questions were
1 - Who was Parramatta's first Premiership winning Captain
2 - Who has played the most FG games for Parramatta
3 - How Many Grand Finals have Parra lost since 1986

Answers given by the 2 Eels Fans
Question 1 - Ron Hilditch & Ray Price
Question 2 - Junior Paulo & Mick Cronin
Question 3 - Took about 20 seconds but finally someone said the correct answer.

Ron Hilditch as a premiership winning captain lucky my car was parked still at the set of lights when i heard that answer.