The grand plan

[Wb1234]

There is no doubt that the Soccer is a giant over there .. but I think that gives the Super League administration an excuse to downplay there own failures … if the Storm in the space of 30 years can start from nothing and carve a respectable niche in the worlds most cultist brainwashed sports market then RL can do so in Northern England …

Having said that … I’m not confident that anything meaningful gets done here …The NRL won’t pay the money the Pommies expect at the end of the day IMO

News Ltd pumped in 80 to 100 million into them tbf

You’re right pommies think we are going to invest 500 million into their game …

I’m happy it looks like we will only do this if it makes money for us too

 

[Gobsmacked]

Have very low expectations

ie super league being on par with division 3 or 4 of soccer

The biggest sport in the world in its biggest market

pommies absolutely love soccer even in places where league claims as its own

Leeds Bradford hudds etc

f**k your post have gone down hill.
Stop drinking the pommy cool aid mate.

 

[BuffaloRules]

News Ltd pumped in 80 to 100 million into them tbf

Yes …money they took out of the game otherwise as part owners of the sport …

You’re right pommies think we are going to invest 500 million into their game …

I’m happy it looks like we will only do this if it makes money for us too

It’s an absolute pipe dream but a number of Pommies expect that amount …

When this idea was first put forward and I assume discussed informally … the Super League was doing it tougher than they are now…At this moment it looks like they have other options and don’t need to sell the farm … on the other hand, the NRL initial expectations of getting them on the cheap are probably down the drain by now

 

[Gobsmacked]

Yes …money they took out of the game otherwise as part owners of the sport …


It’s an absolute pipe dream but a number of Pommies expect that amount …

When this idea was first put forward and I assume discussed informally … the Super League was doing it tougher than they are now…At this moment it looks like they have other options and don’t need to sell the farm … on the other hand, the NRL initial expectations of getting them on the cheap are probably down the drain by now

I think that the higher up are more grounded about the actual books, things look like they're going well but next year they'll need to distribute the full amount to both York and Toulouse, which is still well under the cap. Even with a better broadcast deal, they will still be asking clubs to bridge the gap in funding for some time and that'll be 14 clubs running a loss- the odds of one folding just went up, not down.

 

[Wb1234]

Yes …money they took out of the game otherwise as part owners of the sport …


It’s an absolute pipe dream but a number of Pommies expect that amount …

When this idea was first put forward and I assume discussed informally … the Super League was doing it tougher than they are now…At this moment it looks like they have other options and don’t need to sell the farm … on the other hand, the NRL initial expectations of getting them on the cheap are probably down the drain by now

I think the pommies can get their tv deal back to a point where most clubs break even which is a good result

the 3 new clubs are doing ok on the field but starting to struggle a bit so hopefully they don’t kick one of them out

f**k your post have gone down hill.
Stop drinking the pommy cool aid mate.

google average soccer crowds from the championship down to division two

see what the value of their tv deals is

if soccer wanted to in England the premier league could be 50 to 60 teams bigger than super league clubs

you’ve never said what Pvl can actually do to make a difference either

Other than marginal changes and minor growth Pvl can’t do js

if Pvl became boss of the a league could he do much against the nrl or afl ?

Thats what super league is in England if not smaller

 

[BuffaloRules]

I think the pommies can get their tv deal back to a point where most clubs break even which is a good result

They need the new TV deal to fully fund the salary cap which should be higher than it is now ..

I don’t know how much non broadcasting money the clubs make - hopefully enough to push more junior development and women’s game ..

if they can achieve all that … then they dont need the NRL involvement

 

[BuffaloRules]

I think that the higher up are more grounded about the actual books, things look like they're going well but next year they'll need to distribute the full amount to both York and Toulouse, which is still well under the cap. Even with a better broadcast deal, they will still be asking clubs to bridge the gap in funding for some time and that'll be 14 clubs running a loss- the odds of one folding just went up, not down.

So is it the NRL going to fund that gap otherwise ? The answers we don’t know is how much is that amount and what the owners need to give up to secure that funding

 

[i0Nic]

Nrl investing into super league could essentially lead to rugby league almost doing what r360 wanted to do - a global rugby competition played around the world.

You can see how one would take a few games or rounds elsewhere, like Vegas, Abu Dhabi, Hong Kong, Tokyo etc, then all of a sudden you have a global competition with core base of operations in the pacific and in Europe, but taking many games around the world.

the super league play for the nrl is accelerating on the global round idea and instead of being a global round it becomes a global competition.

this suddenly would spark a new level of interest from fans, broadcasters and sponsors.

 

[Gobsmacked]

I think the pommies can get their tv deal back to a point where most clubs break even which is a good result

the 3 new clubs are doing ok on the field but starting to struggle a bit so hopefully they don’t kick one of them out

google average soccer crowds from the championship down to division two

see what the value of their tv deals is

if soccer wanted to in England the premier league could be 50 to 60 teams bigger than super league clubs

you’ve never said what Pvl can actually do to make a difference either

Other than marginal changes and minor growth Pvl can’t do js

if Pvl became boss of the a league could he do much against the nrl or afl ?

Thats what super league is in England if not smaller

Who gives a f**k about soccer mate!
I don't care!
We aren't in race trying be bigger than soccer!

The NRL or the commission they appoint will:
*Focus on fan engagement
*Get more revenue into the sport
*Make every club profitable
*Better athletes and distributed evenly across the comp
* A stronger, closer more exciting competition engaging more fans.

RL is a blip compared to Soccer - I know that!

That's why when SL doubles it's revenue and fan base like the NRL did..

Soccer won't change, it'll still be massive and doesn't mean anything, not a f**king thing - completely irrelevant.

 

[Gobsmacked]

Nrl investing into super league could essentially lead to rugby league almost doing what r360 wanted to do - a global rugby competition played around the world.

You can see how one would take a few games or rounds elsewhere, like Vegas, Abu Dhabi, Hong Kong, Tokyo etc, then all of a sudden you have a global competition with core base of operations in the pacific and in Europe, but taking many games around the world.

the super league play for the nrl is accelerating on the global round idea and instead of being a global round it becomes a global competition.

this suddenly would spark a new level of interest from fans, broadcasters and sponsors.

Exactly, by combining our fans we broaden our appeal... Exponentially!

 

[Pippen94]

I think the pommies can get their tv deal back to a point where most clubs break even which is a good result

the 3 new clubs are doing ok on the field but starting to struggle a bit so hopefully they don’t kick one of them out

google average soccer crowds from the championship down to division two

see what the value of their tv deals is

if soccer wanted to in England the premier league could be 50 to 60 teams bigger than super league clubs

you’ve never said what Pvl can actually do to make a difference either

Other than marginal changes and minor growth Pvl can’t do js

if Pvl became boss of the a league could he do much against the nrl or afl ?

Thats what super league is in England if not smaller

Nope. NRL should become the game across the world

 

[Pippen94]

Who gives a f**k about soccer mate!
I don't care!
We aren't in race trying be bigger than soccer!

The NRL or the commission they appoint will:
*Focus on fan engagement
*Get more revenue into the sport
*Make every club profitable
*Better athletes and distributed evenly across the comp
* A stronger, closer more exciting competition engaging more fans.

RL is a blip compared to Soccer - I know that!

That's why when SL doubles it's revenue and fan base like the NRL did..

Soccer won't change, it'll still be massive and doesn't mean anything, not a f**king thing - completely irrelevant.

Imagine if darts thought like that?! Or NFL?!

 

[Gobsmacked]

I think the pommies can get their tv deal back to a point where most clubs break even which is a good result

the 3 new clubs are doing ok on the field but starting to struggle a bit so hopefully they don’t kick one of them out

google average soccer crowds from the championship down to division two

see what the value of their tv deals is

if soccer wanted to in England the premier league could be 50 to 60 teams bigger than super league clubs

you’ve never said what Pvl can actually do to make a difference either

Other than marginal changes and minor growth Pvl can’t do js

if Pvl became boss of the a league could he do much against the nrl or afl ?

Thats what super league is in England if not smaller

James Graham follows premier League, talks about it on his podcast and always has followed it but went on to be one of the best players in both hemispheres! And runs one of the best RL podcasts there is!
Soccer isn't in opposition to us anymore than horse racing.

 

[Wb1234]

James Graham follows premier League, talks about it on his podcast and always has followed it but went on to be one of the best players in both hemispheres! And runs one of the best RL podcasts there is!
Soccer isn't in opposition to us anymore than horse racing.

I love the enthusiasm but I’m being realistic

even soccer has struggled in America to make inroads against nfl and they have billions and billions to do it

the cost of setting up a new club and funding it is tens of millions of pounds pa you need to be seriously wealthy to do it

the investors behind London and hudds have put in 20 to 30 million pounds into those clubs and they average 3k

leagues a tiny sport in England which is only in a few big cities and even then the local soccer side dwarfs them

It’s not just premier league it’s the three dictions below it

it’s crazy how big soccer is in England

and I’m pretty sure graham was from a rugby town anyway

championship average crowds 22k
League one 10.4k
League two 5.4k

super league 9k? Best is around 11k

the tv deal for non premier league is 180 million pounds vs 22 million for super league

 

[BuffaloRules]

I love the enthusiasm but I’m being realistic

even soccer has struggled in America to make inroads against nfl and they have billions and billions to do it

But a lot of people in the US that follow NFL have a basketball team, or a baseball team or a hockey team or all three ..it’s not like you can only follow one team … Assume that can apply in England too..

and I’m pretty sure graham was from a rugby town

I’m not sure of this relevance to Graham ( I know you didn’t mention him originally ) … but he is from Liverpool ..: not a Rugby town lol

anyway … at the end of the day … the argument between the merits of RL v Soccer does little in getting the NRL and Super League together to do a deal …

 

[Gobsmacked]

I love the enthusiasm but I’m being realistic

even soccer has struggled in America to make inroads against nfl and they have billions and billions to do it

the cost of setting up a new club and funding it is tens of millions of pounds pa you need to be seriously wealthy to do it

the investors behind London and hudds have put in 20 to 30 million pounds into those clubs and they average 3k

leagues a tiny sport in England which is only in a few big cities and even then the local soccer side dwarfs them

It’s not just premier league it’s the three dictions below it

it’s crazy how big soccer is in England

and I’m pretty sure graham was from a rugby town anyway

championship average crowds 22k
League one 10.4k
League two 5.4k

super league 9k? Best is around 11k

the tv deal for non premier league is 180 million pounds vs 22 million for super league

You Miss the point completely

 

[stratocaster]

Nrl investing into super league could essentially lead to rugby league almost doing what r360 wanted to do - a global rugby competition played around the world.

You can see how one would take a few games or rounds elsewhere, like Vegas, Abu Dhabi, Hong Kong, Tokyo etc, then all of a sudden you have a global competition with core base of operations in the pacific and in Europe, but taking many games around the world.

the super league play for the nrl is accelerating on the global round idea and instead of being a global round it becomes a global competition.

this suddenly would spark a new level of interest from fans, broadcasters and sponsors.

Yep. It's pretty clear what he's trying to do. Unite the game globally under one brand. Cut duplication costs. Develop not sports assets. Have 24/7 content to streamers with a global connection. Introduce new markets to the game for future RL buy-in. Use double headers to replicate what Union did with Rugby 7s in places like Hong Kong and Singapore. Convert New Zealand and the Pacific to rugby league so no doubt about it's #1 status. Use Bears & Storm as the teams that everybody can back in WA & VIC so that they become the biggest teams of either code in either market.

 

[Dark Corner]

I'm so f**king sick of hearing about soccer and how hard it is because of it.
What's the solution then? Give up ??
Gravity's a bitch too but we just gotta do what we can.

Soccer is a completely different thing to RL, there's no parallels, it's non contact, different ball.. you don't even use your f**king hands.

Am I to believe the entire nation of England fears contact, the use of hands and a ball that isn't a perfect sphere?

There's a massive demand for contact sport globally, the NFL sell out in the UK, Union sells out internationals in the UK..
Rugby league needs to lift the salary cap,even it out- tighter contest with better athletes, incorporate more relevant city's, add some prestige and big events.
Then we'll pull over the Union support like we have in Australia and NZ and maybe we won't pull people away from Premier League but here's the crazy part.. people don't need to.. watch Manchester U on Friday night - nobody says they have to give it up but that doesn't mean we can't get them interested in watching Wigan on Sunday afternoon..

All these poms that are supposedly only able to watch Premier League.. also watch Cricket, Boxing and f**king darts..
So don't give me this bullshit.

We make a good product and we'll get supporters.

The sooner these negative creeps and removed from decision making roles the better.

Try living in Tyneside like me its hard work with the whole Magpies/Sunderland shite...its being doing my head for the past 48 years...sometimes you wouldn't think we have 3 other major codes that were born here.

 

[Perth Red]

There is no doubt that the Soccer is a giant over there .. but I think that gives the Super League administration an excuse to downplay there own failures … if the Storm in the space of 30 years can start from nothing and carve a respectable niche in the worlds most cultist brainwashed sports market then RL can do so in Northern England …

Having said that … I’m not confident that anything meaningful gets done here …The NRL won’t pay the money the Pommies expect at the end of the day IMO

Couple of points
1. Storm have had over $300million of nrl funding in that time, plus another $100mill from their owners. Plus the most succesful group of players of all time So yeh I’m sure if London had 200 million pounds and a winning team they’d carve a niche in london
2. storm are one club in a city of 6million, not 25 clubs across a population of around 14million.

let’s take hull as an example. Population of 250k. well supported soccer club and two rl clubs that draw combined as many as Storm. Given Storm have a 6 million reach and hull 1/4 million who’s doing better?

 

[Red&BlackBear]

Couple of points
1. Storm have had over $300million of nrl funding in that time, plus another $100mill from their owners. Plus the most succesful group of players of all time So yeh I’m sure if London had 200 million pounds and a winning team they’d carve a niche in london
2. storm are one club in a city of 6million, not 25 clubs across a population of around 14million.

let’s take hull as an example. Population of 250k. well supported soccer club and two rl clubs that draw combined as many as Storm. Given Storm have a 6 million reach and hull 1/4 million who’s doing better?

Storm is.

Their level of consistency on the field and their level of commercial success off the field destroys whatever redundant point you’re trying to make.