Rugby Australia to target top NRL talent - Lomax case settled

[ayatollah_murdoch]

All Blacks great Michael Jones says rugby union losing 'hearts and minds' to league

His comments came just before the Moana Pasifika Super Rugby team said it would fold unless new investors came in.

www.rnz.co.nz

 

[Wb1234]

 

[CAS]

That's what i love about Rugby Union folk, Arrogance and a reluctance to look at facts, that Area apparently are all Union Nuts and NOT turning to Rugby League because they prefer it, but because they feel abandoned, utter bollox, keep thinking you rule the world guys, maybe go back to banning people again to help.

 

[taste2taste]

The Aus government is about to give Fijiian, Tongan and Samoa Rugby Union 150 million of Aus tax payers dollars.

You can't make this stuff up.

 

[taste2taste]

If NZ best players go to league it would at least make Bledisloe games competitive.

Australian players not good enough to make the NRL
Vs
NZ players not good enough to make the NRL

 

[marlins2.0]

That's what i love about Rugby Union folk, Arrogance and a reluctance to look at facts, that Area apparently are all Union Nuts and NOT turning to Rugby League because they prefer it, but because they feel abandoned, utter bollox, keep thinking you rule the world guys, maybe go back to banning people again to help.

Tana Umaga is a Leaguie at heart. Was on contract with Newcastle but got homesick, then rugby went "professional" (read - decided to pay tax).

 

[Murishido]

The Aus government is about to give Fijiian, Tongan and Samoa Rugby Union 150 million of Aus tax payers dollars.

You can't make this stuff up.

Well we are giving png 600m for rugby league so 3 countries getting 150m combined for union seems unders

 

[Last Week]

Well we are giving png 600m for rugby league so 3 countries getting 150m combined for union seems unders

The GDP of PNG is more than 3 times the GDP of Tonga, Samoa and Fiji combined.

If we're talking investment, PNG is easily the obvious choice. Particularly given their natural resources.

 

[Murishido]

The GDP of PNG is more than 3 times the GDP of Tonga, Samoa and Fiji combined.

If we're talking investment, PNG is easily the obvious choice. Particularly given their natural resources.

I'll give benefit of the doubt on this one, there's a few issues with looking at it like that

A) gdp and aid would, if anything, be negatively correlated. Otherwise we'd just give the us money (outside of treasuries which you could argue is aid in disguise)
B) even if it weren't, 600 is 4 x 150 so that seems fine on your gdp calc (i see it as >4 times)
C) our foreign spending isn't an investment other than a social one, so that's the wrong lens to put on as we don't get a financial return. You can argue that's what you mean but then it discredits using gdp even further.
D) being resource rich and still higher poverty suggests investment outside of true infrastructure is pretty pointless
E) png was already our biggest recipient of funding pre nrl. So it's unlikely to move the dial from a strategic point of view in a conflict.

 

[Last Week]

I'll give benefit of the doubt on this one, there's a few issues with looking at it like that

A) gdp and aid would, if anything, be negatively correlated. Otherwise we'd just give the us money (outside of treasuries which you could argue is aid in disguise)
B) even if it weren't, 600 is 4 x 150 so that seems fine on your gdp calc (i see it as >4 times)
C) our foreign spending isn't an investment other than a social one, so that's the wrong lens to put on as we don't get a financial return. You can argue that's what you mean but then it discredits using gdp even further.
D) being resource rich and still higher poverty suggests investment outside of true infrastructure is pretty pointless
E) png was already our biggest recipient of funding pre nrl. So it's unlikely to move the dial from a strategic point of view in a conflict.

You're the one claiming that $600m for PNG is unders compared to $150m for Fiji, Tonga and Samoa.

You seem to have taken it rather personally that a fact was presented to you in your comment.

 

[stratocaster]

If NZ best players go to league it would at least make Bledisloe games competitive.

Australian players not good enough to make the NRL
Vs
NZ players not good enough to make the NRL

Australia should be playing New Zealand every year in a test match, hopefully incorporated into the Pacific Cup structure.

But we should also bring back the Kangaroos vs Kiwis three game series. Call it ANZAC Origin. Every four years to keep it at major event status like the Ashes.

Like we do with State of Origin, don't have it forgotten about in October/November. Play ANZAC Origin in the middle of the season, 3 games in 3 weeks in early July.

It's a disruption to the NRL season but it could become bigger than State of Origin if done right.

 

[Murishido]

You're the one claiming that $600m for PNG is unders compared to $150m for Fiji, Tonga and Samoa.

You seem to have taken it rather personally that a fact was presented to you in your comment.

And I presented facts back?

Or do they need to be mired in ignorance like yours?

 

[Last Week]

And I presented facts back?

Or do they need to be mired in ignorance like yours?

Ah, now resorting to veiled insults. How precious.

 

[Steel Saints]

Australia should be playing New Zealand every year in a test match, hopefully incorporated into the Pacific Cup structure.

But we should also bring back the Kangaroos vs Kiwis three game series. Call it ANZAC Origin. Every four years to keep it at major event status like the Ashes.

Like we do with State of Origin, don't have it forgotten about in October/November. Play ANZAC Origin in the middle of the season, 3 games in 3 weeks in early July.

It's a disruption to the NRL season but it could become bigger than State of Origin if done right.

Ideally State of Origin should be scheduled in the October/ November period, and have test football in the mid season. Test football provides multiple games, with Australia, NZ and pacific nations. And you can stop the NRL comp. Whereas Origin only provides one game on the men's side.

But apart from Covid, Origin is always scheduled mid season.

 

[The Axe of Druss]

Australia should be playing New Zealand every year in a test match, hopefully incorporated into the Pacific Cup structure.

But we should also bring back the Kangaroos vs Kiwis three game series. Call it ANZAC Origin. Every four years to keep it at major event status like the Ashes.

Like we do with State of Origin, don't have it forgotten about in October/November. Play ANZAC Origin in the middle of the season, 3 games in 3 weeks in early July.

It's a disruption to the NRL season but it could become bigger than State of Origin if done right.

So play a 3 game origin series and then a 3 game test series back to back? All during the season?

 

[taste2taste]

Australia should be playing New Zealand every year in a test match, hopefully incorporated into the Pacific Cup structure.

But we should also bring back the Kangaroos vs Kiwis three game series. Call it ANZAC Origin. Every four years to keep it at major event status like the Ashes.

Like we do with State of Origin, don't have it forgotten about in October/November. Play ANZAC Origin in the middle of the season, 3 games in 3 weeks in early July.

It's a disruption to the NRL season but it could become bigger than State of Origin if done right.

Pacific champs are working well as it is, albeit at the end of the season when 99% of casual fans have moved on to cricket.

I've been preaching for years that we should bring back the Anzac Test and play it in prime time TV at a sold out suncorp but everyone keeps telling me how stupid I am because the Roosters V Dragons brings in far more revenue and a biggerTV audience than a test match ever could.

 

[taste2taste]

Well we are giving png 600m for rugby league so 3 countries getting 150m combined for union seems unders

From the 600m, 250m is already going to Fiji, Samoa and Tonga but the Unions kicked up a stink worried that league would 'take over' so now Penny Wong has decided to give Union 150m to stop league 'taking over'

Honestly, if it was a sitcom you wouldn't believe it could actually happen.

 

[Kurt Angle]

NZ stopped playing after origin because they would get beat by 50

The Australian squad hardened after 3 origin games, vs no lead up games for NZ saw them get slaughtered.

Anzac day is going to be left for the clubs

Last year we had the most successful international window ever

Average crowds of 44k+ in England
Pacific cup averaged 32k+ (without Australia)

They all had good TV ratings too

That's what needs to be but let upon, not random one-off internationals

 

[CAS]

From the 600m, 250m is already going to Fiji, Samoa and Tonga but the Unions kicked up a stink worried that league would 'take over' so now Penny Wong has decided to give Union 150m to stop league 'taking over'

Honestly, if it was a sitcom you wouldn't believe it could actually happen.

Surely the next Rugger World Cup will be watched by Billions around the world and generate Trillions in Income, rather than Spunk it all away, try giving their fellow Tweed jacket wearers around the globe a hand up, after all the game is a global sporting behemoth according to their cult followers.

 

[stratocaster]

Ideally State of Origin should be scheduled in the October/ November period, and have test football in the mid season. Test football provides multiple games, with Australia, NZ and pacific nations. And you can stop the NRL comp. Whereas Origin only provides one game on the men's side.

But apart from Covid, Origin is always scheduled mid season.

I wouldn't move State of Origin. It's a money maker. The point is to turn internationals into money makers.

Pacific champs are working well as it is, albeit at the end of the season when 99% of casual fans have moved on to cricket.

I've been preaching for years that we should bring back the Anzac Test and play it in prime time TV at a sold out suncorp but everyone keeps telling me how stupid I am because the Roosters V Dragons brings in far more revenue and a biggerTV audience than a test match ever could.

I wouldn't bring back the Anzac test. The club games that weekend are valuable properties.

I'd just play the Anzac test in June as part of the Pacific Cup.

State of Origin: Rounds 9, 11, 13 in May

Pacific Cup: Rounds 17,18,19 in June/July - (Aus vs NZ, Aus vs PNG, Aus v Sam, NZ v PNG, NZ v SAM, PNG v SAM)
(depends on who qualitifies)

but every 4 years play Aus vs Nz 3 games in that slot instead (Pac Cup moves to Oct that year)

= $$$