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AFL to launch 2nd sydney team in 2012

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http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/its-war-afl-raids-league-heartland/2008/02/15/1202760609307.html



Raid on home turf of league
Caroline Wilson and Russell Skelton | February 16, 2008

THE AFL will launch a second Sydney team based at Blacktown as part of an ambitious expansion to challenge the power bases of rugby league and soccer.
Work is expected to begin soon on a $30 million, 10,000-seat sporting complex at Blacktown - in rugby league's heartland - which will be the home base of the new team.
The AFL is on the verge of announcing an 18-team Australian football competition, with a tender process to establish two new new teams: one on the Gold Coast by 2011, the other in western Sydney by 2012.
In an exclusive interview, the AFL's chairman, Mike Fitzpatrick, said he had held talks with all three AFL television broadcasters along with the Nine Network to signal the competition's intention to expand by 2012.
"We've got to go flat chat now," Mr Fitzpatrick said.
Establishing the second side will antagonise the Sydney Swans. The club has long insisted the competitive market is nowhere near ready for another AFL team. Not only would the new club compete with the Swans for fans, sponsorship dollars and grounds, it would be a rival to Sydney's rugby league teams, as well as the Sydney FC soccer team and the two other A-League clubs in NSW.
The team would play most of its home games at Olympic Stadium at Homebush Bay. But the new complex, to be built on the old 2000 Sydney Olympic baseball complex at Blacktown, would be its home base and training ground - as well as a NSW head office for the AFL. Although not big enough for the main AFL season, it would accommodate the pre-season NAB Cup competition - and should be completed in time for a such a fixture in March next year.
With administrative, corporate and social facilities, it would have parking for 1500 vehicles and lighting for night games. With about $20 million in funding from the NSW Government, it would incorporate the existing softball and baseball venues with an international-standard athletics track and two new ovals for football and cricket.
The Mayor of Blacktown, Leo Kelly, said: "There is plenty of support for a second club in Sydney's west. This is the second-fastest growing region in Australia after the Gold Coast."
The region had 5000 people a year moving in, and within five years it would have a bigger population than the Northern Territory, the ACT or Tasmania.
"A new club would produce a new generation of champions," Cr Kelly said. "The complex will put 300,000 additional people within a 30-minute travel time to an Aussie rules game."

Support for the Swans has traditionally come from the eastern suburbs and North Shore.
The plan would require finding 90 professional players to create the two new clubs. Conceding that it would prove "virtually impossible" to tempt even the most struggling Victorian club to move, Mr Fitzpatrick said: "It's quite clear the Melbourne clubs have emotional attachments and infrastructures they are not prepared to relinquish. It is an enormous task that lies ahead and we've got a lot of work to do, but I believe we can do it. We did a lot of work on the [North Melbourne] Kangaroos option last year but that wasn't all we were working on."
The AFL's resolve has been building since the Kangaroos rejected a $100 million offer to shift to the Gold Coast, coupled with the expansionist policy of domestic soccer and the strong foothold league has gained on the Gold Coast with the Titans. Mr Fitzpatrick, who took over as AFL chairman a year ago, said: "One of the issues I had when I came in was that we didn't have the relationship with government that we should have and other codes were organising themselves quite successfully around us."
Of the Kangaroos, he said: "We felt we put up the best offer we could and we were disappointed when they chose not to take it. I don't believe we've got any choice now. If you can't get a team to relocate on the basis that North was offered, then I don't think it's ever going to happen. In a sense it has solved a problem for us."
Mr Fitzpatrick and his chief executive, Andrew Demetriou, flew to Sydney before Christmas to outline the new expanded competition plans to channels Seven, Nine, Ten and Foxtel. The plan brings forward by three years Mr Demetriou's stated aim to schedule a game in Sydney every week by 2015. Mr Fitzpatrick revealed his organisation had already begun packaging a nine-game-round, home-and-away season to be sold as the linchpin of the broadcast rights beyond 2011.
With the bidding process for the Gold Coast team to be placed on the market within months, it is expected to be offered similar inducements to the $100 million package put to North Melbourne.
Dale Holmes, managing director of ALF NSW, said the Blacktown complex, still awaiting council approval, would eventually accommodate up to 15,000 spectators, with grandstand seating for 1500.

I cant wait to see this one flop!
 

1 Eyed TEZZA

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They are deadset kidding arent they? It will never work. But its interesting that the government withdrew $10 million for a Rugby League hall of fame but seem to have the money $20 million for the new AFL ground in a completely non AFL area.
 

Perth Red

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They must be off their trolleys! Gold Coast I could kind of understand but another Sydney team a year later? That is 4 teams they will need to prop up with funding and players. Can't see the rest of the league being very happy!

Only thing that makes sense about this is if they are using it to get their billion $ Tv deal.
 

McCrud

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We must also remember that along with AFL expansion, the A-League is set to create two new teams on the Gold Coast and Townsville.

Regardless of whether these teams are successful in the short team the most important thing to remember is that these rival codes have a plan for their future. They are re-arranging their furniture to put them in the best position possible further down the road.

What is the NRL's plan for the future? Gallop throws out a few crumbs for us to nibble on, long on pleasantries but short on substantiative information. With these rival codes throwing down the gauntlet it's about time the NRL enunciated a plan for our future.

I can only hope the actions of the rival codes give the NRL the kick up the backside it needs to address this issue, because by Christ if having the AFL and Soccer plant down 4 new clubs in Rugby League heartland within the space of four years doesn't give the NRL enough motivation to take a gander at where Rugby League's future lies, nothing will.
 

Quidgybo

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1 Eyed TEZZA said:
But its interesting that the government withdrew $10 million for a Rugby League hall of fame but seem to have the money $20 million for the new AFL ground in a completely non AFL area.
Different government. The $10m was withdrawn by the incoming Federal government. The report says the $20m is from the NSW State government.

Leigh.
 

Copa

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I"m as anti-afl as the best of them.... but this slow drip drip drip of AFL $ over the decades will have an impact.

RL needs to get its international game in order and them some serious $$ and distinction from what AFL offers will start to flow.

Get to the rugby league world cup folks... offering a sport where you can play for your country in high profile games is a dream AFL can't offer the kiddies anywhere in Australia
 

Lego_Man

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The Sydney clubs had better get their sh*t together - f**k off idiots like Fitzgerald and start taking the lead from Souths and PHAC.
 

Lockyer4President!

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:lol: I'll believe it when they start playing. Until then it's just another case of the AFL talking themselves up.
edit: Also where the hell do they expect to get 90-odd players from? There's no actual information in this, it's all speculation.
 

ali

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Copa said:
I"m as anti-afl as the best of them.... but this slow drip drip drip of AFL $ over the decades will have an impact.

RL needs to get its international game in order and them some serious $$ and distinction from what AFL offers will start to flow.

Get to the rugby league world cup folks... offering a sport where you can play for your country in high profile games is a dream AFL can't offer the kiddies anywhere in Australia

Well said. That's the advantage we have, but many of our administrators and fans are too short sighted to notice. The World Cup needs to be a big success. Not matter what you may think about the format and other issues, it's still Rugby League, and needs supporting for the good of the game.
 

PJ

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Can't see the rest of the league being very happy

That is the big difference for mine between league and AFL. AFL administration, clubs and possibly fans seem to have a better idea of what is good for the game whereas as league clubs are more focussed on themselves.
 

Ziggy the God

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Talking about Gallop, I wonder what his response will be, if any? Someone ask Politis what his thoughts are on this matter, as he is on the Board.

As has been stated in the SMH article this morning (pg 10), if News fund this AFL expansion, it is a conflict of interest with its role as half owner of our code.

As such, the clubs should get off their backsides, and let them know that any such move is untenable, and will result in News being asked to divest itself immediately or we will ask the Courts to do so.

You wouldn't be able to carry on this way in any type of business situation, so what is the difference in this case?
 

In-goal

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The Sydney clubs had better get their sh*t together - f**k off idiots like Fitzgerald and start taking the lead from Souths and PHAC.

I think this is the key area, it is not upto the NRL to keep the game number 1 in Sydney but upto the clubs to promote and improve themselves.

On a personal I think the AFL are getting worried about the FFA and thier A-League pinching all the players, after all if Football can keep alot of the kids in the sport all other codes will struggle to keep the production lines flowing.
 

Brycey

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Ziggy the God said:
Talking about Gallop, I wonder what his response will be, if any? Someone ask Politis what his thoughts are on this matter, as he is on the Board.

As has been stated in the SMH article this morning (pg 10), if News fund this AFL expansion, it is a conflict of interest with its role as half owner of our code.

As such, the clubs should get off their backsides, and let them know that any such move is untenable, and will result in News being asked to divest itself immediately or we will ask the Courts to do so.

You wouldn't be able to carry on this way in any type of business situation, so what is the difference in this case?
Ziggy for all us non-Sydney residents can you quote that article/paragraph on p10 of the SMH
 

Ziggy the God

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Brycey said:
Ziggy for all us non-Sydney residents can you quote that article/paragraph on p10 of the SMH

Here it is:

THE AFL's planned push into western Sydney and southern Queensland is sabre-rattling. Football is a war game and teams can neither be recruited nor trained overnight.
It took rugby league 20 years and four reincarnations before the Titans were taken seriously on the Gold Coast. The AFL expects to do it in three years.

A western Sydney team, scheduled for 2012, would at least have a home ground - the Olympic stadium at Homebush Bay - but drafting 90 first-grade AFL players over four years is unrealistic.
A second Sydney team would seriously undermine the Swans, whose popularity is based on their monopoly of NSW.

It would more than halve the Swans' support, and failure on the field in Sydney - as the Waratahs have demonstrated in rugby union's Super 14 - is not tolerated.

This AFL war plan is typical bullying behaviour by its chief executive, Andrew Demetriou. Chagrined that his old club, North Melbourne, refused to move to the Gold Coast, he is trying to panic it into a relocation. However, the AFL is concerned about the spectacular success of soccer since Australia's second richest man, Frank Lowy, resurrected the sport in Australia. While AFL is played in one country and the two rugby codes in about 20, soccer is the world game. Whenever the Socceroos failed to qualify for a World Cup, a bottle of champagne was opened at AFL headquarters.
The Socceroos' success in the last World Cup in Germany, the expanding A-League and its push into Asia are all danger signs for the AFL's dream of national domination.

The AFL's national exposure allows it to attract broadcasting and sponsorship revenue double that of the NRL. The turnover of the AFL's top club, Collingwood, is twice that of the NRL's richest franchise, the Brisbane Broncos.

Similarly, the AFL salary cap is almost double the NRL player payment ceiling. The AFL would draw revenue from a code already squeezed by the downturn in the income of its poker machine-financed leagues clubs. Should the AFL brazenly demand its broadcasters finance this expansion to 18 teams, it will compromise News Limited, half-owners of the NRL. News Limited half-owns Fox Sports, which televises four live AFL games a week and also carries the AFL's Friday night match to NSW and Queensland, the territory the AFL imperialistically calls "our developing states".

If News Limited, which holds the management rights to Foxtel and Fox Sports, further funds and facilitates AFL expansion, the media giant will attract conflict of interest accusations and criticism that it is jeopardising the future of rugby league, the No.1 sport of NSW and Queensland.


http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/afls-growth-plan-a-code-violation/2008/02/15/1202760600565.html
 

Brutus

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Lego_Man said:
The Sydney clubs had better get their sh*t together - f**k off idiots like Fitzgerald and start taking the lead from Souths and PHAC.

Well said.

Fitzgerald's probably more interested in starting up a new union team.
 

_Johnsy

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I know the afl have deep pockets, but there is a difference in setting up 2 new teasm on the GC & Sydney. Throwing money away is a different scenario to making sure new teams are a success, which both the proposed new teams will not be.

Western Sydney Wankers & Gold Coast Gaylords, has a nice ring to it, pardon the pun.
 

mark123

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This afl thing is unlikely to happen in the way the newspaper has said. Its just speculation.

And if it does go ahead, the real big thing for us is that its actually a giant conflict of interest.

Perhaps we can then be annexed and form our own land. hahahahaha omg, giant conflicts of interest already exist - and no one, not even the law, cares.

In the meantime the only thing i can see happening is a perth "plan" announced. And the world cup campaign being ramped up a huge amount.

The company jungles that are the groups who run sport in this country have a goal to buy sport and sell them cheaply among themselves in order to make bigger profits... I believe this way of thinking comes primarily from telstra and others, because a phone call's actual cost is about 2c but for years they have been charging 25c. Um, thats what 1000% markup?

Its been said before. AFL and NRL, two different things.

NRL is denied money in order to make a profit.
AFL is given money in order to make a profit.

I dont know what it is. Rupert or whoever runs the company might have seen league fight against it, even embarrass it and this is the punishment we face for 20 years, or they just dont believe they can make more money by giving league more money to use.

I think our fate was decided long ago in this matter. Way back in 1997 when the accounts, etc were set up and companies formed like the nrl and all those, that as in the article by roy masters, league has been set up in a branch of news and whoever that its a loss making business.

And lets face it, the afl has more chance of being national-complete. They already get bigger sponsors because they are national. So it would make financial sense if you were helping out either sport to help out afl in that regard because its financially easier to expand. The rewards are greater.

No, afl is not going anywhere outside australia.
BUT, I am sure news know a few things about NRL as well.

All rugby league need to do is make the world cup a success.

Combine all governing bodies under one leadership umbrella.

Expand to perth.

Make the Kangaroos an even bigger brand by getting higher quality international football (which we have seen recently has giant potential).


BUT NO ONE IN RUGBY LEAGUE WANTS TO DO THESE THINGS BECAUSE THEY "SEEM" TOO HARD. BUT THEY MUST BE DONE IF LEAGUE IS GOING TO PROSPER AND BE THE BEST IT CAN BE....AND I BET ALL CEO'S AND ANYONE IN THE NRL WHO IS HIGH UP KNOWS THAT TAKING THE EASY ROAD IN LIFE NEVER GETS YOU SUCCESS.. ..the things that need to be done are hard, but we must do them.

Only then you can honestly say you have a better sport to watch, play and enjoy, and get paid correctly for.



PS. Conflict of interest will always exist in tv land....its because TV is a major thing that makes you popular. You are required to be on tv to get popular. So the people who run tv stations are always in control. If they want to make you less popular, they can. More popular, that too. What if you want something they don't, and you still need to be on tv? You'll have a conflict. Kind of evil, dont you think.
Only sometimes will tv networks give in to you, most of the time its when you threaten to goto a rival tv network. Otherwise they hold all the power. But even then, the power you receive is only pretend power and brief, because while you are doing your thing on tv, they still control you through other means. Its amazing how creative tv people can be.
Wait.....YOU have a contract? HAHAHA, no one will care how many clauses you have in your contract, the damage can be done long before you are able to sue.

Newspapers are another big thing too. Govts often wind up in the grips of newspapers. "Don't print that story - and we will give you an even bigger one in the near future." Life is turned into a commodity, cut up, and thrown about as leverage to gain acceptable outcomes to make oneself look better than reality.
 
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