2 Olympic Sports I'd Like Introduced

[Razor]

Also...how about the usual 3 countries winning medals in softball Razor.
I guess Japan always wins the gold against America huh?

LOL That kind of blew up in their face,idiots.

Yes Shorty the same 3 countries won the medals. Australia, US and Japan. No one ever said they won the same medals each Olympics, btu the same countries won the medals.

 

[Shorty]

And with Basketball? Australia went down to US AGAIN with Russia battling it out for the Bronze.
Ethiopians/Kenyans doing well in long distance events.
America and Jamaica doing well in the sprints.
USA won I think it's 3rd gold medal beating Brazil and Germany for it in women's soccer.

As I said before you can apply that to all sports.

 

[Razor]

Ethiopians/Kenyans doing well in long distance events.

In the past 3 Olympics a total of 8 different countries have shared the medals from the 5000/1000m. So don't know where you're getting your information from. Not the same 3 countries.

America and Jamaica doing well in the sprints.

Jamaica had not won an individual Gold in the mens track prior to this Olympcis. So your argment isn't holding up.

The countries that win constantly change. And the countries that come 2nd and 3rd change even more.

[qupte]
And with Basketball? Australia went down to US AGAIN with Russia battling it out for the Bronze.
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So 2 Olympics in a row that basketball had the same medals. Not quite the 4 Olympics in a row.

USA won I think it's 3rd gold medal beating Brazil and Germany for it in women's soccer.

So 2 Olympics in a row. Hardly the 4 that apply to softball

As I said before you can apply that to all sports.

Only by using very strange maths. 2 does not equal 4.

Also look at the softball world championships. Same results there everytime. The world champions/cup in womens basketball and soccer in between the last 2 Olympics have had different results.

 

[The General]

So razor do you think they should get rid of the mens 400m sprint? Considering the US has won the last 6 gold medals and 13 of the 18 medals on offer since 1984?

 

[Razor]

So razor do you think they should get rid of the mens 400m sprint? Considering the US has won the last 6 gold medals and 13 of the 18 medals on offer since 1984?

Look at the other countries though

Jamaica, Great Britain, Kenya, Ivory Coast have also won medals.

Also sometimes the US win all 3 medals, sometimes 2 + 1 other, sometimes 1 + 2 others.

Not the same 3 medalists every single Olympics.

And look at the world championships. A lot of different countries involved in the top 3 there - unlike the softball world championships where it's the same 3 countries in the top 3 as it is at every Olympics.

 

[Razor]

I just have to laugh at that suggestion by The General who claims that softball is just as popular world-wide as the 400m in athletics.

 

[The General]

I just have to laugh at that suggestion by The General who claims that softball is just as popular world-wide as the 400m in athletics.

Show me where the hell I claimed that. I just wanted to see how you would worm your way out of my question considering you believe sports should be removed from the Olympics because one country dominates.

 

[Razor]

Show me where the hell I claimed that. I just wanted to see how you would worm your way out of my question considering you believe sports should be removed from the Olympics because one country dominates.

I never said sports should be removed because one country dominates. Show me where I claimed that.

I said (which is also the IOCs position) that if you know who will finish in the top 3 before the event begins the sport should be removed from the Olympics.

You know that with softball, but not with the 400m.

And why would you bring up the 400m if you're not trying to question the popularity of the sport by comparing it with softball.

 

[NK Arsenal]

what about wet t-shirt contests?

 

[The General]

And why would you bring up the 400m if you're not trying to question the popularity of the sport by comparing it with softball.

I wanted to see your reasoning as to why softball should go but the 400m should stay, considering they have both dominated by the same countries at recent Olympics.

OK here is a better example (unless you also want to argue with me about the popularity of softball vs table tennis):

China has won every gold medal for table tennis in the women's singles since its inception (and only 4 countries have ever won a medal in the event, 3 if you combine North and South Korea).
Even worse China and Korea (or what used to be South Korea) have won every medal in the women's doubles bar 2 (a silver and a bronze).

So I guess that means the end for women's table tennis.

 

[The General]

Oh and this quote is starting to sound like bull****.

Handball and table tennis don't have the same 3 medalists every Olympics

Care to admit you were wrong Razor? Going by your track record i'll take that as a no.

 

[Razor]

OK here is a better example (unless you also want to argue with me about the popularity of softball vs table tennis):

China has won every gold medal for table tennis in the women's singles since its inception (and only 4 countries have ever won a medal in the event, 3 if you combine North and South Korea).
Even worse China and Korea (or what used to be South Korea) have won every medal in the women's doubles bar 2 (a silver and a bronze).

So I guess that means the end for women's table tennis.

Womens singles table tennis

2008 - China, China China
2004 - China, North Korea, Korea
2000 - China, China, Taiwan
1996 - China, Taiwan, China

Not the same 3 medalists at every Olympics

Care to admit you were wrong Razor? Going by your track record i'll take that as a no.

Are you going to admit you're wrong? Like I said table tennis doesn't have the same 3 medalists at every Olympics. That clearly isn't the case.

Here is what I said "Handball and table tennis don't have the same 3 medalists every Olympics". And you claim that is wrong? What planet are you on? In the past 3 Olympics not once has the final 3 been the same group.

 

[Razor]

Womens singles table tennis

2008 - China, China China
2004 - China, North Korea, Korea
2000 - China, China, Taiwan
1996 - China, Taiwan, China

Not the same 3 medalists at every Olympics.

Compare that to softball

2008 - Japan, US, Australia
2004 - USA, Australia, Japan
2000 - USA, Japan, Australia
1996 - USA, China, Australia

Notice the last 3 Olympics? For softball - all 3 are the same 3 countries. For table tennis - Not once in the last 3 are they the same 3 countries.

 

[Razor]

have won every medal in the women's doubles bar 2 (a silver and a bronze).

And good to see that you completely ignored the fact that both mens and womens table tennis doubles have been removed from the games after 2004 for that very reason.

It was replaced with a team even for both.

So you're not helping your argument by bringing up an event that was removed from the games for the same reason, that softball has.

 

[The General]

Compare that to softball

2008 - Japan, US, Australia
2004 - USA, Australia, Japan
2000 - USA, Japan, Australia
1996 - USA, China, Australia

Notice the last 3 Olympics? For softball - all 3 are the same 3 countries. For table tennis - Not once in the last 3 are they the same 3 countries.

That's only because one country can win multiple medals in table tennis, so the likelihood of the same combination of medal winners is much smaller. It doesn't change the fact that the medals have been distributed amongst the same countries since it has been played at Olympic level.

And good to see that you completely ignored the fact that both mens and womens table tennis doubles have been removed from the games after 2004 for that very reason.

It was replaced with a team even for both.

So you're not helping your argument by bringing up an event that was removed from the games for the same reason, that softball has.

I'll admit I was wrong there. Haven't had a chance to catch any table tennis so didn't know about the change.

 

[gho]

Softball and Baseball is getting cut because they require large stadiums, that for the last 3 olympics (Syd, Athens and Beijing) have not used it after the games. It would have been the same story for London. If Chicago gets the olympics for 2016, the sports will be back because the facilities would already be there.

 

[Razor]

Softball and Baseball is getting cut because they require large stadiums, that for the last 3 olympics (Syd, Athens and Beijing) have not used it after the games. It would have been the same story for London. If Chicago gets the olympics for 2016, the sports will be back because the facilities would already be there.

They were cut because they weren't popular worldwide.

They're on the shortlist for 2016 (along with karate, squash, roller skating, rugby 7s and golf). There can be no more than 2 sports chosen as 28 is the maximum number of sports that the IOC allow at present. They need 75% of IOC members to support their inclusion. The final decision on what if any sports will be added for 2016 will be made in mid-2011.

For 2012 karate and squash were chosen as the 2 sports to replace baseball and softball, but they both failed to receive the 75% of votes needed.

Nothing to do with the stadiums. A lot of sports require stadiums to be built that are never used again in the host country - they're torn down or converted into something else. Even if you didn't read the widespread publication of this news last year, the US softball team captain even quoted(which I put in this thread) about how poor it is to kick out for success. The process was quite well reported as well - every single one of the 28 sports was put to a vote by the IOC members on whether it should stay or go. Baseball and softball were to go. Syncronised swimming came very close to being kicked out, but survived. They then also voted on the events within each sport. Some sports lost some events, and some sports gained some events(Cycling gained BMX cycling, athletics gained womens 3000m steeplechase, etc.)

 

[Shorty]

Handball's not popular world wide,table tennis isn't...

 

[Razor]

Handball's not popular world wide,table tennis isn't...

Are you insane? Apart from soccer handball will be the most popular team sport at the Games.

And table tennis is a hell of a lot more popular worldwide than a lot of other sports in the games like softball and cycling.

We're not talking about what's popular in Australia, but what's popular in 205 countries in the world.

Even we got a lot of coverage of handball and table tennis in Australia. Go to Japan - no coverage of the cycling at all. No coverage of swimming at all except the mens breaststroke events and the 4x100m mens medley relay.

 

[NK Arsenal]

Dogs Balls would be pretty good imo