What to do with Level 3 - Parramatta Leagues Club

[bartman]

Having said that I am still going to football games, as it is part of who I am, and something I will most certainly will be continuing with into the future after my treatment so I may well be commenting on those issues, I will also be competing with Bartman in the F7's this year representing The Parramatta Eels.

:thumn

All good to hear Mark. Best of luck with health things between now and recovery from May.

 

[Hellsy]

Agreed Bart and Hellsy.

I'm happy for people to question their motives, as I'm sure they are.
That's why it's imperative for as many people on here (and others, if you know anyone else who would like information) to get to the meeting on Saturday, or any other meeting thereafter.

Put your concerns to them personally, and then make a decision.

But, I can't cop people who just sit on here and question for the sake of questioning.
Some people need to show some nuts.
(Don't ask me what the female equivilent is to this statement). :lol:

Suity

PS. I look forward to the first open question session that the current Leagues Club Board plan to hold. Afterall, it's only fair that we can ask of both contenders all the same questions.

Flaps?

Sorry... was that too crude? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Belly in Brisvegas]

Wouldn't think so Hells.....Suity has just whacked it into his mental catalogue.

 

[bartman]

I must disagree with the nuetral stance. I was there on Friday and although I was not a part of any small groups that bartman was, in the general discussion I did not hear him ask one tough question. Actually, I'm not even sure he asked any questions as my memory seems to be of him simply spouting anti-Denis quotes and generally making supportive statements of 3P.

I don't recall myself saying anything out loud to the whole group actually HJ? I was there to listen, happy enough to take in the answers to questions that were being asked, and knowing I have an outlet on here with which to interact with members of 3P and Ovo about issues as they come to pass.

I don't recall making any anti-Denis quotes either? I have said on here often that thee focus on Denis as an individual is a negative for achieving change for our club, it will backfire as a tactic if used in the media or by candidates.

I don't think I said anything supportive of 3P on the night either? Col might be able to verify if he remembers me saying anything in that regard. I did remember having a dig at you for having voted Liberal/Howard, but I think you were too busy talking to hear. And I passed comment about the fashion-worthiness of organge ruffle skirts as well, but that was about it.

Now this is all well and good, and I certainly do not expect him to be nuetral if he does not want to be (and I could even be very wrong), but I just wanted to point out why I do not believe he is holding a nuetral stance nor asking tough questions as you have claimed, Col.

I have asked tough questions and put tough statements to Col in here, prior to the FC elections (in which I understand HJ you can't/don't vote). I'm happy to say in here or in person that my votes for the FC were mixed - I voted for Kenny, Price, Grothe, Gare, Ovo, Hilditch and Gerard. Since 7 is an odd number, I guess technically it's harder to be any neutral than that?

My issue is purely that Fishy was asking pertinent questions (for the first time during any election ever!) and subsequently stating that he was not satisfied with the answers.

This is his right and actually a very positive thing during an election. We should seek more of it. However, every time he tried to ask a question, seek further clarification or state that he was not satisfied with the response given, bart would be all over him, talking down to him as he questioned why fishy wasn't just accepting what had been given as satisfactory.

I must have missed the part of the forum guidelines or indded common practice where one person is allowed to put their views and statements on something but it not be questioned and discussed... And I must have missed it again when you decide that it's Ok for you to question and discuss my views and statements, but it's not Ok for me to question and discuss anyone elses...

How dare fishy not fall into line!

It's as if this is what is happening:

I personally don't give a f**k who Fishy ends up voting for, and I don't expect anyone to "fall into line" with how I end up voting either.

Because I respect Fishy's views on various other non-football matters, I wanted to probe to understand where he was coming from underneath. Since his words have been mistaken by several people (including people that know him in real life, not just Mr Leabeater) for support for Denis/the current LC Board, I guess the point could be made that his real questions/concerns weren't originally being expressed perhaps as clearly as they might have been.

I can now say that I understand where Fishy is coming from much better as a result of our discussion, which you felt the urge to comment on after it was all over. I am satisfied, even though Fishy and I currently hold different views on this matter, because I feel I can now understand why, wehreas before it was not clear.

In the same way I feel (from reading years of posts) that I can understand why you specifically were a Howard/Liberal voter (despite some very un-conservative comments on culture in this thread, for which you've been commended), even if I would never bring myself to vote in the same way. The difference itself doesn't matter so much, and I couldn't care about people falling into line with me - it's the understanding of difference that is more important to me.

Since the rest of your post goes onto quote and reference others, I'll leave any replies on those points up to them if they choose.

 

[bartman]

Sorry, couldn't resist. ;-)

:lol:

 

[Suitman]

Wouldn't think so Hells.....Suity has just whacked it into his mental catalogue.

**notes flaps as alternate to nuts**

Suity

 

[bartman]

:lol:

 

[Suitman]

On a personal level, last year when I made my annual pilgrimage to Parramatta stadium to see the team I've supported for over 30 years play, I stopped by the leagues club while I was in town for a look around. After finally figuring out how to get to the 3rd floor I promptly turned around and left as I thought I was in a restricted area. There was not a single person up there except for 2 staff members who gave me a look that seemed to say what are you doing here. I thought it particualarly disturbing that there was no sign anywhere in the club that a home game was only a few hours away from kick off.

It would be nice to have a league club that in some way made an effort to support the team.

All I want is a succesful and well run team and aren't really fused who is on the board that achieves it.

This is as damning a story, of the way things have become, that I have read.

Suity

 

[bartman]

OK, just so some of the ideas for the 3rd floor aren't lost inbetween the part of the long-winded and somehwat tangental debate that I have been caught up in (and have now hopefully put to bed), I think these were the ideas that people have suggested in single posts in recent pages:

Gym (Haynzy)
Paintball Centre (Colonel)
Something to fill the $6mil revenue hole that the club's pursuit of pokies has left us with (Delboy)
Somewhere that indicates a home game is about to start in the next few hours (Carson)

Sorry if I've missed any or mis-credited, just gathering them together for ease of reading and discussion below.

 

[junior009]

**notes flaps as alternate to nuts**

Suity

If only you'd found that alternative years ago huh!!!

 

[Suitman]

If only you'd found that alternative years ago huh!!!

May have helped somewhat....yes.

Suity

 

[junior009]

May have helped somewhat....yes.

Suity

There's a whole new world out there that's now open to you....enjoy!!:lol:

 

[strider]

Sorry, couldn't resist. ;-)

oh bugger!!! - u beat me to it :lol: :lol:

 

[strider]

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Would love to come down to have a chat but the commute from Perth is a bitch.
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oh excuses excuses .... its 1 train ffs - on at perth, off at parra .... even i'd have to catch 2 trains from where i live

;-)

 

[Suitman]

oh excuses excuses .... its 1 train ffs - on at perth, off at parra .... even i'd have to catch 2 trains from where i live

;-)

:lol::lol::lol:

Suity

 

[Suitman]

There's a whole new world out there that's now open to you....enjoy!!:lol:

:thumb

Suity

 

[strider]

It's an open invitation... Ovo read it on here, other current Board members could have done themselves a favour to find out what some of the members opinions are by reading here too.

Are we again saying the current Directors need to receive gilt-edged personal invitations to come to an open meeting being held in a public part of the club that they are elected to direct? In my view - Ovo aside - a main reason why people voted for a change at the FC elections was the invisibility of the Board members... will we give them excuses to continue that behaviour toward their members?

not gilt-edged, but yeah, they'd need an invitation to even know it exists ..... or do we believe that everyone in the world loves surfing the net and in particularly THIS forum :crazy:..... i'm pretty sure Col went to the 3P meeting and invited all of them to attend :thumn

I can cop the "the current board to jack sh*t to try and communicate with anyone" arguement - but for some reason ppl seem to keep expecting them to be at an event organised to assit in over throwing them that they probably know nothing of :?

 

[bartman]

I guess all my point was on that is, that if Ovo - in fairness, not the youngest or most computer literate of gents - can find out about these meetings and the opportunity to attend, then what's stopping the other six LC Directors doing the same?

Or as you (almost) say, what's wrong with Ovo (doing a Col) and simply telling the other 6 about the event he's found out about when they got together for their (LC) meeting this month?

 

[strider]

I guess all my point was on that is, that if Ovo - in fairness, not the youngest or most computer literate of gents - can find out about these meetings and the opportunity to attend, then what's stopping the other six LC Directors doing the same?

Or as you (almost) say, what's wrong with Ovo (doing a Col) and simply telling the other 6 about the event he's found out about when they got together for their (LC) meeting this month?

Ovo is Ovo - the other 6 are different ppl with different lives ...... ovo didn't even know if he was allowed to come - asked permission ...... seriously - if ppl expect them to come then go and ask them - if they turn you down then fine, complain about them

 

[Suitman]

I guess all my point was on that is, that if Ovo - in fairness, not the youngest or most computer literate of gents - can find out about these meetings and the opportunity to attend, then what's stopping the other six LC Directors doing the same?

Or as you (almost) say, what's wrong with Ovo (doing a Col) and simply telling the other 6 about the event he's found out about when they got together for their (LC) meeting this month?

I suppose that's my point as well. Strides, with all due respect, I thought we'd made that pretty clear. Not quite sure why YOU keep bringing this up? :?

Suity