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Gay rights campaigner loses Footy Show case

warriorsownyou

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I don't think gay people need or want pity. Sure they can't reproduce, there are other ways to get children. Homosexuals can still have sex though, something your dickless man can not do.

Well it doesn't matter if they need or want it. The fact is reproduction is the meaning of life. Their sexual orientation deems them unable to reproduce. Therefore thats a disability.

Sure, they might be other ways to have children now. But put them in a natural setting, the best chance of a gay person reproducing would be if a caveman ran up and raped her. Outside of that there is no ways of reproduction. A gay male back in caveman times would cease to exist. He has no desire to have sex with his female counterpart. It's natural selection at its best.

If you're gay your sexuality deems you unable to reproduce. It IS a handicap.

Why don't you ask millions of people world wide who are struggling to have children right now if they view it as a handicap or a disability. Go on, contact them and ask them. I can assure you they'll consider it a handicap.:lol:

Of course, when we factor in gay people not being able to have children the pseudo politically correct will suddenly flip, and not being able to have children isn't a handicap anymore:lol:

God forbid we forget to be politically correct and offend the disandvantaged(yes, disadvantaged).

I don't care where you're from or how you were raised, not being able to reproduce is a disability. It's a genetic flaw. Whether you're mentally or physically unable is not relevant to the reality.
 

Ron Jeremy

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the only gay people i dislike are the ones that act like women. The people i know who are gay - you'd never pick them, they're percived as more straight then me.
 

Ron Jeremy

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Well it doesn't matter if they need or want it. The fact is reproduction is the meaning of life. Their sexual orientation deems them unable to reproduce. Therefore thats a disability.

Sure, they might be other ways to have children now. But put them in a natural setting, the best chance of a gay person reproducing would be if a caveman ran up and raped her. Outside of that there is no ways of reproduction. A gay male back in caveman times would cease to exist. He has no desire to have sex with his female counterpart. It's natural selection at its best.

If you're gay your sexuality deems you unable to reproduce. It IS a handicap.

Why don't you ask millions of people world wide who are struggling to have children right now if they view it as a handicap or a disability. Go on, contact them and ask them. I can assure you they'll consider it a handicap.:lol:

Of course, when we factor in gay people not being able to have children the pseudo politically correct will suddenly flip, and not being able to have children isn't a handicap anymore:lol:

God forbid we forget to be politically correct and offend the disandvantaged(yes, disadvantaged).

I don't care where you're from or how you were raised, not being able to reproduce is a disability. It's a genetic flaw. Whether you're mentally or physically unable is not relevant to the reality.


I'm straight, male and have a dick ( large one as well) however the last thing i want is kids, does that make me disabled?
 

warriorsownyou

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I don't particularly like what they do, however when you have friends who you've known since 3 years old and have shared you've known all your life through school, footy etc and they open up to you and say they're gay? what do you do? you just dont say piss off. The friends who i know who are gay are that ashamed they tried to commit suicide, they hate being who they are, but cant help it, they're just like anyother bloke, love rock, beer, beach....but 1 little difference they arent attracted to women, and from what they've told me it has been that way for as long as they can remember.

We're all human beings after all, and they're litterally a minority group, thats why they're considered somewhat 'special'

Of course but the problem you're all making is assuming I actually have something against homosexuals. I've no problems with homosexuals what so ever. It's rather the people in this thread who are making a situation out of my beliefs and taking what I say out of context because of politically correct bullsh*t.

Just to cite another example. If I made a thread and said "Hey everybody, people who can't reproduce are genetically flawed" would anyone object, really? I think people would agree that it's a given. I just want people to be honest and look at what I'm saying objectively. Is the issue really what I'm saying, or who I'm saying it too? It's most definately the latter.

I really don't see the difference in saying the above and saying gay people are genetically flawed for the VERY SAME reason. Yet somehow I'm expected to tip-toe and avoid the reality, because stating what I have stated makes me a crazed homosexual-hating lunatic... When it's really not that at all. I just don't understand the big issue with viewing homosexuality as a negative, I really can't. They'd be absolutely no issue if i said people unable to produce sperm were flawed, or had a negative trait. would they?

I have no hate for anyone but racists and war mongers. That's where my hate and disdain for people stops. It's others equating what I'm saying for hate. I don't think I've expressed any hateful views what so ever. Sure, HURTFUL to the homosexual community, I'm not a moron, I understand the offence caused. But I can't help the fact the reality is offensive, can I.
 

warriorsownyou

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I'm straight, male and have a dick ( large one as well) however the last thing i want is kids, does that make me disabled?

Subjective. Would depend on your reasonings for not wanting to have kids and the logic behind your decision.

I don't think there's a yes or no anwser to that one. If we lived in a perfect world and you didn't want children I'd think you were a bit strange mate.
 

Ron Jeremy

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Of course but the problem you're all making is assuming I actually have something against homosexuals. I've no problems with homosexuals what so ever. It's rather the people in this thread who are making a situation out of my beliefs and taking what I say out of context because of politically correct bullsh*t.

Just to cite another example. If I made a thread and said "Hey everybody, people who can't reproduce are genetically flawed" would anyone object, really? I think people would agree that it's a given. I just want people to be honest and look at what I'm saying objectively. Is the issue really what I'm saying, or who I'm saying it too? It's most definately the latter.

I really don't see the difference in saying the above and saying gay people are genetically flawed for the VERY SAME reason. Yet somehow I'm expected to tip-toe and avoid the reality, because stating what I have stated makes me a crazed homosexual-hating lunatic... When it's really not that at all. I just don't understand the big issue with viewing homosexuality as a negative, I really can't. They'd be absolutely no issue if i said people unable to produce sperm were flawed, or had a negative trait. would they?

I have no hate for anyone but racists and war mongers. That's where my hate and disdain for people stops. It's others equating what I'm saying for hate. I don't think I've expressed any hateful views what so ever. Sure, HURTFUL to the homosexual community, I'm not a moron, I understand the offence caused. But I can't help the fact the reality is offensive, can I.

fair enough:lol: i do see your point, however i can see where people may view it the wrong way;-)
 

Ron Jeremy

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Subjective. Would depend on your reasonings for not wanting to have kids and the logic behind your decision.

I don't think there's a yes or no anwser to that one. If we lived in a perfect world and you didn't want children I'd think you were a bit strange mate.

fair enough, but just say i see kids as a distraction to my future and my work ambitions, would that still seem strange? or say i'm very picky in relation to women, and only want kids with that 'right one' that could also be percieved as strange - and yes i am, very picky with girlfriends, no point dating someone if their isnt potential for something more :D
 

warriorsownyou

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fair enough:lol: i do see your point, however i can see where people may view it the wrong way;-)

The PC-Radar goes off is all.

I don't think it's a matter of people necessarily disagreeing with my point. I'm sure most would agree that those unable to reproduce are handicapped in many respects.

The issue seems more to be that I can't say it. Not that I'm necessarily talking absolute rubbish, just that what I'm saying is offensive therefore I shouldn't be saying it.

Deep down everyone knows that pollution and the the chemicals pumped into our foods are harmful and have a significant effect on not just us, but the entire planet. Human sexuality is just the tip of the iceberg. The problem is that it's not politically correct to say that, regardless of the amount of truth behind it. Lets be honest, saying that pollution and chemicals in our food supply is contributing to an increase in homosexuality and feminisation of men sounds pretty far out right-wing on face value. I can understand the shock value of the statement because it implies homosexuality is a negative, so naturally people will distance themselfs from such statements, however truthful they are.

People are too caught up in how they're told to behave and act though. Alot of people need to shake the dust off their eyelids.

We've had a pretty civil short conversation here. Why others couldn't have done the same 5 pages back rather than crack immature jokes and just point blank label me a nutter rather than hearing me out(whether disagreeing or not) I don't know.
 

warriorsownyou

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fair enough, but just say i see kids as a distraction to my future and my work ambitions, would that still seem strange? or say i'm very picky in relation to women, and only want kids with that 'right one' that could also be percieved as strange - and yes i am, very picky with girlfriends, no point dating someone if their isnt potential for something more :D

LOL i don't know. I'm sure if you settled down with the right girl you could be swayed.

To be honest I was pretty much expecting you to say you don't want to bring a child into this World because of the state of it... The world that is.

Which is one perspective I can half understand, and seems pretty common.

Peoples opinions change though. There's a time and a place to have a kid. Ateast you've thought about it. Alot of these teenagers could do with some of that common sense. Bloody scroungers.
 

Ron Jeremy

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LOL i don't know. I'm sure if you settled down with the right girl you could be swayed.

To be honest I was pretty much expecting you to say you don't want to bring a child into this World because of the state of it... The world that is.

Which is one perspective I can half understand, and seems pretty common.

Peoples opinions change though. There's a time and a place to have a kid. Ateast you've thought about it. Alot of these teenagers could do with some of that common sense. Bloody scroungers.

My opinions have been the same for a while, i just dont see the point in dating unless you know you have someone to have kids with, i dont wanna have kids to 5 different women lol

Yes i could be swayed, but atm i doubt that...;-)
 

Ron Jeremy

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The PC-Radar goes off is all.

I don't think it's a matter of people necessarily disagreeing with my point. I'm sure most would agree that those unable to reproduce are handicapped in many respects.

The issue seems more to be that I can't say it. Not that I'm necessarily talking absolute rubbish, just that what I'm saying is offensive therefore I shouldn't be saying it.

Deep down everyone knows that pollution and the the chemicals pumped into our foods are harmful and have a significant effect on not just us, but the entire planet. Human sexuality is just the tip of the iceberg. The problem is that it's not politically correct to say that, regardless of the amount of truth behind it. Lets be honest, saying that pollution and chemicals in our food supply is contributing to an increase in homosexuality and feminisation of men sounds pretty far out right-wing on face value. I can understand the shock value of the statement because it implies homosexuality is a negative, so naturally people will distance themselfs from such statements, however truthful they are.

People are too caught up in how they're told to behave and act though. Alot of people need to shake the dust off their eyelids.

We've had a pretty civil short conversation here. Why others couldn't have done the same 5 pages back rather than crack immature jokes and just point blank label me a nutter rather than hearing me out(whether disagreeing or not) I don't know.

Mate not a problem, i just hate the yoboo/redneck view of gays arent humans etc, however you've put forward your argument which i agree with somewhat.
 

warriorsownyou

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Mate not a problem, i just hate the yoboo/redneck view of gays arent humans etc, however you've put forward your argument which i agree with somewhat.

It's strange, because I'm pretty much a leftist, so to have the views I do have, people who don't know me will assume I'm some sort of old school racist right wing type.;-)

But I understand how comments and views are perceived. Generalisations get made. I face the same problem when critiscising Obama(whole different subject). Somehow i get grouped with racist rednecks for my views on Obama... Even though my problem with Obama is that he's too right wing!:lol:

I hate these people who hate gays. They make me look crazed before I've put forward my full views on the issue.

My problem Isn't what I've said but how I say it, for the better part. I need to work on being more polite and coming across a little more sane:crazy:
 

Dazraider

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Far out if it was normal people wouldnt make jokes about it.
If gays realise that we come from a man and a women and that is how us earthlings breed.
If your gay your not normal and have a mental disease. If its normal then why cant women on women make kids or man on man make kids.
Fact of life Get over it you pancys
 

mongoose

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I'll put it to you like this. If you were born without a dick(clearly you were, you're of the female gender)... If a man was born without a dick, would you not consider that a disability to said man.

Would his inability to reproduce not be viewed by most as a disability? No questions asked, no political correctness, but it would... It'd be seen and the common consenseus would be that he's disabled.

How is that any different than people in same-sex relationships being unable to reproduce.

I just want to know. I want to know what it is about gay people that makes them special to the point being unable to reproduce, something commonly viewed as a disability, is not viewed as such when the persons in question are gay.

Give me a rebuttle. Don't call me a crazed nut. Anwser the question. Explain to me the difference. Enlighten me. You're the sorceror, show me the light. Save this heathen from his evil ways.


You do realised that there have been many gay men who have been married (to a woman) had children and then come out later in life?

There are are also many heterosexual people who have no desire to have children either, are these people genetically inferior?

your argument is ridiculous
 

warriorsownyou

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You do realised that there have been many gay men who have been married (to a woman) had children and then come out later in life?

There are are also many heterosexual people who have no desire to have children either, are these people genetically inferior?

your argument is ridiculous

These people you're speaking about choose not to have children. There's nothing genetic about it.
 

Ray Mosters

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Hey warriors, as someone who holds some pretty strange views myself (i get into arguments with my wife that polygamy should be legal) i understand what its like to be ridiculed for your views, but i should make a couple of suggestions...

Firstly rethink your "homosexuality is a disability" idea, because its ludicrous. Not being able to procreate because your gay is no more a disability that not being able to procreate because you dont like stinky nappies. The word disability has several overt connotations, which make it inappropriate to use in this case. They arent physically or mentally disabled, they are procreationally challenged, which is not a disability, indeed for many its a choice.

Secondly, rethink your tone, dont misrepresent an argument and describe it as common sense, and dont characterize your opinion or far out ideas as fact, or merely a hard to swallow truth...this "everyone agrees with me by common consensus that its a disability" is not only condesending but flat wrong. Only a very small minority (and usually those of an intolerant point of view) would ever classify it as a disability. Saying "people reject it, no matter how truthful" implies that something is true, when it is in fact the most far out opinion of your own, one without evidence and that runs contrary to the vast majority of peoples ideas about the world.

Thirdly, if you are going to espouse an opinion which links pollution to homosexuality then you actually better come up with some, any sort of evidence, and not one that comes from a white power website. Homosexuality occurs in nature, and has been documented back through human history to early historic times. There was institutionalized homosexuality in both greek and roman cultures, and they didnt have to deal with air pollution from plastics manufacture or fertilizers running off into rivers. Its not a hard to swallow truth, its just a dumb idea without any basis of evidence. At best, its your opinion, and in MY opinion, not even within the bounds of possibility.

Which follows onto my fourth suggestion, people have a tendency to find patterns that fit what they believe, and this has a tendency to follow their predjudices. Someone who is a racist will happily believe and propogate an idea that aboriginals are genetically predeposed to violence or low intelligence, without any evidence that that is the case, or perhaps they will collect the scant evidence, ignoring and dismissing the strong evidence that contradicts their preconceptions. This is why this is idea is a racist idea, because you really have to have racist preconceptions to even give it creedence.

Now, you say you arent a homophobe, and fair enough, but unfortunately some of your ideas and they way they are described are homophobic.

Classifying it as a disability (which it isnt) which like a disease increases in likelihood with higher pollution (which it doesent), and suggesting people need to "shake the dust from their eyelids" to see the "truth" (which is in fact nothing more than baseless opinion) is homophobic rhetoric, my friend.

So my fourth suggestion is, be aware that its not JUST the way you put things, some of your actual ideas seem to require homophobic preconceptions to genuinely consider.

Anyway, i hope this helps and your not too offended, i did try to attack the ideas not the idealist.
 

Raudonikis

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Are you going to say anything productive?

You've done nothing in the way of rebuttling anything I say. You offer nothing to the discussion but slanderous comments and jokes. It's a trait of the common moron. Mocking what you're mentally unable to understand.

Leave the discussions to the grown ups.

She actually never has anything intelligent to say,
So whens the bun happening in that cave kiki
 

Meth

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Geeez, this conversation has taken off.

Regardless of your views of homosexuality, its fair to say that some of their jibes have been insensitive. I didn't see it, but the 'Elton Johns' skit goes way too far going by the description given in the first post.
 

Surely

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If homosexuality is a genetic flaw then how do you explain those who don't mind having a hotdog or a vertical seafood taco ?
 

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