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Sharks granted council approval for $110 million hotel and residential developmen

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I wonder what the alternate strategy to WBP would be ?

What I like about having a listed company is it gives the supporters a chance to invest in the future of the club. I hope any alternative includes a chance for the punters to invest.


Yes BSyou are right and I did hear murmours FKP Property Group wer sniffing around in regards to this complex and it made sense when they went to the market not long ago for capital. I havent heard anything for a while though.
 

blacktip-reefy

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I know it has to be looked at but I will be filthy if anything is sold outright.
Ownership must be maintained.
In fact, ownership must now be increased in the area to remove any potential whingers.
 

Eion

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Once it's sold there's no ongoing revenue. Selling will give us some quick cash that we'll manage to p!ss away.
 

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Once it's sold there's no ongoing revenue. Selling will give us some quick cash that we'll manage to p!ss away.


Both have there pros and cons but yes the best way to go would be to keep it long term and generate revenue. I actually met a bloke last week who was involved in starting an aged care facility from scratch on the central coast which is yet to be built. We got talking and he advised there is more money to be made in that side of property as there is such high demand for the elderly to find an aged care facility/retirement home these days.

i still have my doubt about this development but the more I look into it the better it is starting to sound once we find a suitable backer it will make things alot easier.
 

Eion

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i still have my doubt about this development but the more I look into it the better it is starting to sound once we find a suitable backer it will make things alot easier.
The challenge will be finding a backer that doesn't end up screwing us. I hope there are some good brains in the boardroom.
 

MTK

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...but I will be filthy if anything is sold outright.
Ownership must be maintained...

If the club maintains ownership, doesn't it bear the entire risk?
Whereas to the extent that it is sold, somebody else goes under if the whole thing tanks.
 

SirShire

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Why would this be a bad thing reef?

One-off income stream.

What happens in 10-20 years time when the club has more than likely blown the $100m income projections, and you have no assets to provide you any income.

If they were smart, they'd adopt a similar approach that nursing homes do (assuming this is retiree/aged care accommodation). Sell them for $XXX,000 and then upon death or sale of the house, retain a % of the estate or the sale.
 
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I know it has to be looked at but I will be filthy if anything is sold outright.
Ownership must be maintained.
In fact, ownership must now be increased in the area to remove any potential whingers.

I remember some people being critical of Barry Pierce for not taking the easy option and selling to lend lease who were offering the quick bucks.
 

jackal

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They will maintain the balance of control and manage the property accordingly. It wont be sold off as they realise the neccessity of the long term revenue stream. The development will compliment the club and vice versa, etc, etc, round and around we go...
 

Surely

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Oh and the leagues club would still make a squillion having a retirement village next door, pokie revenue would go through the roof.
 

blacktip-reefy

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Well it's not really, the money from a sale would be invested in other areas which are income producing.

If it was ofloaded , the money would be invested in the football club as per the members wishes. It would be frittled away in 5 years.

The smartest of business minds always tell you , you never sell your best asset. If you use that asset to to invest in something else which becomes your cash cow, then all good. The only thing I could see viable there would be to buy something near sutherland station to build a new stadium & club.


If it were my decision I'd be offloading the thing quick smart.

I am surprised at how many people think along those lines. Its madness for a majority based elected board to make that decision.
 

jackal

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If it was ofloaded , the money would be invested in the football club as per the members wishes. It would be frittled away in 5 years.
Absolutely! Would be the worst business decision ever made. Long term pain only to be cured over a short term gain, then to fall again. Money makes money.
 

SirShire

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Well it's not really, the money from a sale would be invested in other areas which are income producing.

If it were my decision I'd be offloading the thing quick smart.

It remains a one-off pay out, and an income-producing investment remains the best option.

Let's be realistic here. The only asset the club has is that land, which thankfully has been DA approved. Nothing else to fall back on (least of all the Leagues Club) in the event of the club needing a source of income to finance its operations.

Let's say it yielded $110m from sale of completed residencies. Ten million instantly goes to pay off club debt, which probably will have grown substantially for the 5+ year period it takes to construct the project, plus interest on that debt. Club debt could realistically blow out another $5m (especially if we are still without sponsors) just for financing football club expenses, and more than likely it will involve borrowing against the new entity.

So say that reduces to less than $100 mil, say ~$90-$95m. Then you have construction costs and the real potential for cost overruns. I am not a builder but I know that in the last 12 months alone, some materials have gone up by a factor of 50%. Construction of this thing will cost big dough.

At any rate, assume they still netted $100m from this whole shebang. $100m in our hot little hands. Forget investing the whole amount. It costs $4m+ alone to pay for wages of a top 25 NRL squad, let alone the other costs of running the team and the ground for a season. I believe Zappia quoted something like over $8m a season. That amount of money won't guarantee the survival of the club on its lonesome over the next 10-20 years.

With interest able to be locked in so low now, we should be financing this thing with a mixture of long term debt and big investors (say a commercial property player if the shopping centre goes ahead). Sell the residencies with terms on the deeds relating to Woolooware Holdings received 10% of the sale of the residencies should any change in the legal interest in the property arise. Guaranteed income, for as long as it remains commercial property and also gets you the big capital income. Put in as much retail space as possible and impose Frank Lowe-esque retail tenancy agreements.

Pay off the debt at whatever rate is sustainable, and with sponsorships/club revenue plus the net of income from the development, potentially the club could be in a position of 100% ownership with certain income for a very long time.
 

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