Qlds 18th man....

[hutch]

Our weak leadership, to quote you, is not in charge of running an international sport. Their job is to run a successful and profitable domestic competiton. If they spend time and cash promoting rugby league in other countries then good on em, but it shouldn't be expected. State of origin shall be the pinnacle of rugby league in Australia until the lesser nations catch up with is. It's not the NRL's job to hand out cash prizes to help out lesser nations improve the game.

i was talking about the weak leadership of the international body, the rlif which is basically the arl. now theres a conflict of interest, the same people running the rlif, arl and nswrl. i wasnt referring to the nrl.

 

[Eels Dude]

i was talking about the weak leadership of the international body, the rlif which is basically the arl. now theres a conflict of interest, the same people running the rlif, arl and nswrl. i wasnt referring to the nrl.

I actually think the RLIF is progressing with internationals at the right level. We had a very successful World Cup in 2008, and now we have the 4 nations tournament each year. We have had the Pacific cup introduced, the winner of which gets to compete in the 4 nations every second year. The RLIF is a very small governing body compared to other sports and doesn't have buckets of money to be throwing into the international game but they're doing what they can and are improving the game at the right pace.

 

[BDH]

the usual ignorant comment from you. he should not be allowed to switch to aus and origin, but our weak leadership dont have a clue how to run an international sport.

the highest rep honour is playing for your country! i guess he is not a true samoan then, he seems to whore himself to whoever looks like picking him. didnt make nz, so switched to samoa. now because he is playing ok, thinks he might play for qld and possibly australia even though their are half a dozen better qld backrowers who werent selected. the man has no loyalty, and should be forced to play for the country that he originally represented.

You're an idiot.

By your reasoning Hayne shouldn't be able to play for NSW.

ARL have always let players play for minnow nations at the WC, without affecting their SoO claims. I really wish people on this forum would read up on eligibility (actually EVERYTHING) before posting and making themselves look like idiots.

 

[hutch]

You're an idiot.

By your reasoning Hayne shouldn't be able to play for NSW.

im the idiot? you do know that hayne played for australia first dont you? he should never have been allowed to switch to fiji, especially within a year of playing for australia, and he most certainly shouldnt of been allowed to switch back to nsw/australia in 09 under the rlif's own rules, which they conveniently changed again for probably the 3rd year in a row.

ARL have always let players play for minnow nations at the WC, without affecting their SoO claims.

for starters, it shouldnt be up to the arl, but they do assume most of the power within the rlif so they do decide the rules in a way. the fact they 'let' players switch nations for one tournament after they miss out on their country is a blight on our sport. it makes us look amateurish, and does more long term damage to the minor nations than good. instead of building a national team over a few years with development work and building a regular list of players, they go for the quick fix and pick anyone who qualifies under the grandparent rule, and often with disastrous results (for eg tonga in the 08 world cup).

I really wish people on this forum would read up on eligibility (actually EVERYTHING) before posting and making themselves look like idiots.

mate im very up to date on international eligibility, im willing to bet i know a hell of a lot more about it than you do. it is hard to keep up with at times because the muppets who run the game are always breaking and changing the rules. in 06 the rule was you needed to stand down for 2 years before switching countries. this changed in 07 when fui fui and tuaki switched to nz from tonga, the rule then was that you could switch once within a 2 year period, (which is why they couldnt play for tonga in the rlwc08 until the semis if they made it) and now after the world cup apparently its a clean slate and you can nominate for a country again. the entire system is a joke! it should be either one country for life, or a stand down period of at least 4 years before switching, and you can only ever switch once. this country swapping business holds our game back in so many ways.
a recent rlif press release stated that if you play for a country in a world cup qualifier, you had to stick to them for the world cup. the only problem with this is that at the next world cup we have 12 countries who are automatica qualifiers, and only 2 spots for qualifiers, so the rule is basically null and void. so before you go shooting your mought off idiot, maybe you should do some research yourself!

 

[CaneToad]

Bwahahahahahaha!!!

Outstanding .......

Love your work mate....

They are coming from far and wide to wear the Mighty Maroon Jersey!!!!

 

[Twizzle]

which ever way you look at it, it makes a joke out of State of Origin

 

[hutch]

which ever way you look at it, it makes a joke out of State of Origin

agreed! something needs to be done!

 

[Greenbits]

Could someone please explain to me how this Auckland born Tongan and Kiwi international who lists his junior team as the Hibiscus Coast Raiders and debuited with a Sydney NRL somehow qualifies as a QLDer.

Is it simly that anyone that plays for the Broncos now automatically qualifies as a QLDer, or was NZ included with the QLD boundaries at the same time Bowraville was.

 

[ANTiLAG]

He has chosen to represent Qld - as did Inglis.

THe rules need to be changed to stop all the babies crying. The purpose of Origin was to allow people to represent their state of choice. Generally because they were born and raised there. The black letter law of origin does not allow for migration/personal choice explicitly when it clearly should. At least those adminsitering it are allowing a purposive construction that allows migrant kiwis and migrant aussies to play for their states of choice. This of course causes NSW fans to cry like babies. You didn't cry when Mason chose your state over playing for NZ - but cry over Te'o. Age of migration is irrelevant - and you love the place you love.

Inglis is repeatedly mentioned, but really he was like Lyon a couple of years ago - "I do not want to play for the Blues." Te'o is hardly the first kiwi qualifiable player to turn their back on NZ - K Hunt, T Carroll, B Thorn, W Mason, T Tahu.- It is right to let the players choose their representative state or country and grant exceptions to world cups to keep the minnows (and NZ) strong as opposed to a body of administrators dictating to players who theycan and must play for.

Stop crying. NZ and the minnows has it far worse than NSW.

 

[Greenbits]

What a load of crap. Origin was started because people from QLD origin were playing for NSW and, quite rightfully, it was decided they should play for their STATE OF ORIGIN, rather than whoever offerred them the best deal at the time.

Mason grew up around Newcastle. Clearly in NSW.

Inglis was too stupid to realise he wasbeing duped by QLD officials, i.e. thought first senior football is grade football.

Te'o grew up in NZ. He representated that country and the country of his ancestors at international level. His first senior game in Australia was in NSW. QLD is the last place he should represent.

You speak of migration - as far as I can tell he migrated to QLD last year. If QLD continue this strategy, the series will rapidly become a farce.

If Te'o runs out for QLD and continues to represent Tonga/NZ, it makes a complete mockery of the whole series.

EDIT: I see you've added some extra names. Tahu was born and raised in Australia. Mason, Thorn and Hunt born in NZ and raised in Australia. I've got no issue with any of these guys playinf for their resprective states. I have issues with Carroll flip-flopping alligences, but thats another arguement. Myh point about Te'o is that he has already played for another country, has shown any attachment to QLD other than moving there last year (at age 22), and is some how "originally from there". Complete farce. We should bane Burgess and offer Thurston a couple of mil on the sly to play for us - alls fair.

 

[ANTiLAG]

Te'o cannot represent NZ for some time now.

Who loses more? NZ or NSW?

I like how you did not actually address how NZ and minnows lose out more. You clearly cannot take your eyes off your own specific interests and see the big picture.

How was Nagas in a blue jumper? You didn't complain when he chose NSW. Mason was born in in NZ and eligible to play for NZ - chose not too. Same with Carroll, K Hunt and Thorn.

Just let the players choose. It is the only fair way. But do not cry that NSW is hard done by - origin causes head aches and player losses to NZ and the minnows at a far greater scale. And they're not pissing and moaning the way you you blue bagges are. Suck it up.

NZ'ers worked out - oh well let the players choose as its their life. You people in NSW who think like this need to realise that as well. You did not care when people were choosing your state over NZ or Queensland (Nagas)- but now you do.

Grow up and stop crying.

EDIT: All the names I mentioned would have been eleigible for NZ if they had chosen to play for NZ. Tahu's dad is a kiwi which qualifies. The rest born in NZ. All chose origin over country.

 

[Greenbits]

Oh pulease. You spout so much sh*t, your like a pipe off Bondi.

I have no issues with people who went almost the entirety of their life in a particular country representing that country. Chain me up and whip me for supporting someone who wants to represent the country they grew up in.

I don't understand your inane ramblings about how I don't care about the minnows missing out. That is exactly my problem. Here is a kid, who clearly grew up in NZ and has reresentated his country at international level. QLD dangle the origin carrot in front of him, suddenly he is a QLDer. Who misses out - NZ do. Add to that, even if he grew up in Australia, I think he would qaulify for NSW, not QLD.

More ramblings about Negas! Negas may have been born in Bundaberg, but grew up in Kyogle NSW. You need to the learn the rules in regards to Origin eligibility if we are to continue this argument. Eligibility to play for NSW - played first senior game in NSW and is eligible to play for Australia. Eligibility to play for QLD - whoevr they pick.

QLD have form in this respect.

Take you Maroon glasses off for once and look at it from a balanced perspective.

 

[ANTiLAG]

Hah!

I am looking at it from any players perspective and I do advocate rule changes. The rule change should be that the players should have the choice (once) to decide who they will play senior rep football (SOO and internationals) for with exceptions for world cups.

No adminsitrator should dictate to an origin level player which state they can play for. Its representative football. The players will represent who they want too and where they lvoe the most. Strict rules is what caused Origin to happen.

Teo has never played for the kiwi senior side. Gets your facts straight. He only played for junior kiwi sides. Its the kiwis who lost out - not NSW. STOP CRYING!

Christ - as for your Carroll "switching alliegiences" - what do you think your precious Hayne has done? Now I do not begrudge NSW having Hayne. World Cup exemption is good for international football. But NSW pinch off the minnows too.

 

[Greenbits]

Hah!

I am looking at it from any players perspective and I do advocate rule changes. The rule change should be that the players should have the choice (once) to decide who they will play senior rep football (SOO and internationals) for with exceptions for world cups.

No adminsitrator should dictate to an origin level player which state they can play for. Its representative football. The players will represent who they want too and where they lvoe the most. Strict rules is what caused Origin to happen.

Teo has never played for the kiwi senior side. Gets your facts straight. He only played for junior kiwi sides. Its the kiwis who lost out - not NSW. STOP CRYING!

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Mate I'm not crying about it, I just think that QLD should play the series in the spirit it was intended.

If Te'o runs out, I fully expect to see Sammy Burgess and Beji run out for NSW.

 

[Springs]

Alright then it will have to be renamed State of Choice. International eligibility will have to be changed as well. A player can play for simply whatever country he wants. Anyway, NSW gets Burgess and Ellis, that's for sure.

 

[ANTiLAG]

Did Teo play for the senior kiwis? No.

Benji would run out for Qld if any side but he chose NZ after representing Australian schoolboys. He went to school in Qld.

Your points are incoherent.

 

[ANTiLAG]

Alright then it will have to be renamed State of Choice. International eligibility will have to be changed as well. A player can play for simply whatever country he wants. Anyway, NSW gets Burgess and Ellis, that's for sure.

Well you guys get Hayne under the current system. Why complain?

 

[Iafeta]

As a former Queensland fan, I can safely tell you that New Zealand didn't miss out. Ben Te'o is comfortably behind a number of more consistent back rowers in terms of New Zealand ranks. There is no way known to man he would have been for instance even 18th man in that last test match, despite a number of injuries. If anything, it kinda dispells the whole myth that Origin sides could have a number of teams and still beat international sides because the selection of Te'o is kind of scraping the barrel a bit.

I'm a bit non-plussed by the defence for his selection, but so be it. The dude is a Kiwi, who came through the Warriors system before going to the Tigers. A Junior Kiwi and Kiwi extended squad member back in 2007. Such is life, as far as his playing ability goes I'm really not fussed. I can assure you again NZ has not missed out, the only place that IMO has is Queensland who continue to fester and rape the hell out of the grey areas of the rule book. A rule book that 30 years ago was implemented to help Queensland out, after all, before that it WAS based on residency and a large number of floggings were incurred as Qld talent played for NSW. Here, 30 years on, Queensland are trying to do much the same, I'm not sure why their desperation on Te'o though. He's an inconsistent club footballer at best, who yes, is having a good season, after quite a few mediocre ones. I'll never forget the day Chris Heinington blew up at him on field for making absolutely no effort to stop a Warriors try at Leichhardt. Te'o had made up his mind to go to Brisbane at that stage, and that instance and this instance to me emphasise that he is a bit of an average mercenary. Sadly, the ones who fell for it are Qld. I'd rather go a Scott Bolton ahead of him. The whole thing is tormented, IMO I'm still not nor ever will be a great fan of Fien and Webb playing for New Zealand, but these types of players will take advantage of ludicrous grey areas in the rule book.

 

[Greenbits]

Did Teo play for the senior kiwis? No.

Benji would run out for Qld if any side but he chose NZ after representing Australian schoolboys. He went to school in Qld.

Your points are incoherent.

Te'o was named in the Senior Kiwi Train on squad. Your splitting hairs.

RE: Benji - well what you're advocating is that he can just choose to play for whoever the hell he feels like. Given he has spent most of his adult life in NSW and he is less likely to get a run in QLD with Lockyer, thurston, Cronk and Prince available, I think he'd choose NSW

Well you guys get Hayne under the current system. Why complain?

Seriously, is your brain that addled by the QLD sun? Hayne, born in Australia, grew up in Sydney is somehow ineligible to represent NSW. Yes he represented Fiji based on heritage when overlooked by Australia - I think you'll find the IRL allows that for minnow nations. Bot for countries like NZ however.

Can anyone tell me what his affiliation to QLD is other than his 2 years at the Broncos?

 

[Lambretta]

Actually, you're both right in different ways.

T'eo is either a Kiwi or a Tongan and should represent New Zealand and not have the Origin carrot dangled under his nose to force him to play for Australia rather than where he is actually from.

Origin is a great format but it weakens the international game by the insistance that players who take part are only allowed to represent Australia. It's a f**king joke.

I dont want imports from England suddenly playing Origin, but if someone has dual citizenship they should be allowed to represent the state they grew up in and their country of ancestry or birth. Tonga, Fiji, PNG & NZ included could benefit from this if someone had their eye on the bigger picture rather than just league in their own little corner of the World.


As for T'eo, I fail to see any reason why someone who moves to Queensland, aged 22 and having played grade everywhere BUT Queensland is suddenly a Queenslander. That is a joke of epic proportions and if he selects to play for Queensland, New South Wales should lodge a formal complaint to have him banned from Origin.

Origin is not a format designed to allow players to pick and choose which representative teams are currently the most suitable for their desire to cover themselves in glory. It wass designed so people from Queensland can represent Queensland and not be FORCED to represent NSW just because they play here. That might be outdated now with NSW players playing in QLD etc, but it certainly wasnt designed to weaken the international code or so people with glory on their mind can pick and choose whatever team they want to.