Where to now for the EPL?

[Azkatro]

I think the Germany/England result will cause waves in the English Premier League for years to come. It was like watching Bundesliga tear apart the EPL. The question is, what will the English FA do about it, if anything? The money is pouring in so will they be prepared to jeapordise it for national pride?

Part of the problem too I think is the style of the EPL. Also players being too precious and overpaid. Look at France, an EPL player in Anelka abusing his manager. At England you had John Terry ready to start a mutiny. Now you've got Van Parsie starting sh*t for the Netherlands.

Personally, I think the clubs should be held responsible to some degree for developing English talent. And one or two clubs need to adapt a ground passing playing style that takes the competition by storm and forces all other clubs to follow.

 

[CC_Eagle]

From an entertainment perspective :

Bundesliga > EPL.

 

[pennywisealfie]

it won't mean anything to esl, more than half the league is filled with international players anyway.

 

[fish eel]

The biggest issue for england is player development.

With so many foreign players always coming in to the EPL, it makes it hard for english players to come through. Not many young english players have broken into the english squad since the last world cup. They're still picking duds like Heskey and Crouch in their as strikers. Lampard, Gerrard, Terry, Ferdinand aren't getting any younger either and will be well past their best in 4 years.

Interesting times for the poms.

In terms of style though, the Bundesliga is probably the most similar to the EPL than any other league in europe is.

 

[bazza]

I am guessing that they will just buy more German players

 

[WireMan]

There was one United player in that England team.

Thats pathetic.

Problem is, no-one knows what to do or is willing to do anything about it.


United like most top EPL teams have lots of youngsters coming through. Problem is, they are not just English, they are Irish, Welsh and Scottish like they always were. Added to that now are the Nowegians, Italians, French, Brazilian, etc. etc. etc.


I'm fed up with clubs (like my own) buying foreign players that are no better than English ones and developing them into world stars. We are linked with Sanchez for 30 million, who looks a bit Nani esq in his game. Yet we have a guy called Cleaverly who was on Loan to Watford and got into the Championship dream team. These players need a chance. He may not be good enough, but he may be good enough to play for a mid table team at the start of his career which leads me to the next point.

Ultimately we need the top teams spending big money on English talent from lower in the prem. For example United, Chelsea buying players of Everton or Villa. They buy players from below them, and the money filters through the game and players come to the bigger clubs more developed (like Carrick to United, or Lampard/Cole to Chelsea). Some big name foreign stars come in, but at least they will be good. I look around the prem and think there must be talents in the Champ thats better than you.

Another option is that we need a system of second teams like in Europe. The reserve league is rubbish and the gap is too great for players to make the jump. Hence so many players on loan where clubs lose control over them. United could just take over a struggling league club like Bury and make them a feeder club. City with Stockport, Liverpool with Tranmere etc. This secures the future of smaller clubs, and gives young English players the chance to develop at a more competitive level.

At the moment a club like Arsenal get a very good player in Wilshire. They develop him, train him, teach him how they want there players to play. Just as he gets close to the first team he is loaned out to Bolton. Now he is away from the Arsenal coaches playing a different game, with unknown training methods etc. Its like schooling someone at the best school, sending him to a top College and just as he is doing his final year at Uni sending him to Hicksville. Its hardly ideal.


None of this will happen as EPL teams are still seen as the strongest in the World and its not there job to sort out the national team. Its there job to make money and win silverwear.

Hopefully this world cup will focus a few minds at the top.

 

[nathanbrown'sghost]

Caps on international players in EPL Make teams field home-grown players in the EPL as it will help England eventually. Minimum levels of English players in a match day team. This is one of the only things Fabio Capello was right about lately.

More football people in the FA. Yes its a business but it needs people who know football.

Burton http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/7140806.stm

 

[Twizzle]

thank god 'arry supports English players, some other teams dont have any

 

[shiznit]

This is abit old... but it gives an indication

from: http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...sh-players-in-the-premier-league-1608998.html

National issue: How English is your Premier League team?

*Aston Villa: 8 English regulars

Gabriel Agbonlahor, Gareth Barry 25; Luke Young 24; Ashley Young 23; Curtis Davies 22; James Milner 18; Nigel Reo-Coker 17, Steve Sidwell 15.

*Middlesbrough: 8

Stewart Downing 25; Ross Turnbull 22; David Wheater 20; Gary O'Neil 19; Andrew Taylor 18; Chris Riggott 17; Adam Johnson 15; Justin Hoyte 13*.

*Bolton Wanderers: 7

Kevin Davies, Fabrice Muamba, Jlloyd Samuel 25; Matt Taylor 21; Gary Cahill, Gavin McCann, Kevin Nolan 20 (plus two for Newcastle)

*Tottenham Hotspur: 7

Aaron Lennon 25; Darren Bent, David Bentley 23; Jonathan Woodgate 22; Jermaine Jenas 21; Tom Huddlestone 15; Ledley King 13*.

*Everton: 6

Phil Jagielka, Joleon Lescott 25; Phil Neville 24; Leon Osman 23; Leighton Baines 18; Tony Hibbert 12*.

*Portsmouth: 6

Peter Crouch, David James 24; Sean Davis 21; Jermain Defoe 19 (plus three for Spurs), Sol Campbell, Glen Johnson 18.

*West Ham United: 6

Rob Green, Matthew Upson 25; Scott Parker 23; Carlton Cole 22; Hayden Mullins (plus three for Portsmouth), Mark Noble 17.

*Fulham: 5

Danny Murphy 23; Paul Konchesky, Bobby Zamora 22; Andy Johnson 20; Jimmy Bullard 18 (plus one for Hull City).

*Man United: 5

Michael Carrick, Wayne Rooney 17, Rio Ferdinand, Paul Scholes 15, Gary Neville 12*.

*Stoke City: 5

Richard Cresswell 22; Andy Griffin, Danny Higginbotham 20; Dave Kitson, Ryan Shawcross 16.

*Sunderland: 5

Dean Whitehead 23; Kevin Richardson 22; Anton Ferdinand 20; Phil Bardsley 17; Nyron Nosworthy 16.

*West Bomwich: 5

Scott Carson 25; Paul Robinson 24; Jonathan Greening 22; Luke Moore 17; Ishmael Miller 15.

*Wigan Athletic: 5

Lee Cattermole 24; Titus Bramble, Chris Kirkland 22; Emile Heskey 20 (plusthree for Aston Villa); Emmerson Boyce 15.

*Blackburn Rovers: 4

Stephen Warnock 23; Paul Robinson 22; Matt Derbyshire 17; David Dunn 8*.

*Chelsea: 4

Frank Lampard 25; Ashley Cole, John Terry 22; Joe Cole 14*.

*Hull City: 4

Michael Turner 25; Ian Ashbee 24; Dean Marney 21, Andy Dawson 15.

*Newcastle United: 4

Nicky Butt 21; Michael Owen 19; Danny Guthrie, Steven Taylor 18.

*Manchester City: 3

Joe Hart, Micah Richards 23; Shaun Wright-Phillips 22 (plus one for Chelsea).

*Liverpool: 2

Jamie Carragher 25; Steven Gerrard 22.

*Arsenal: 1

Theo Walcott 13*.

Criteria

1: Players must have played 15 or more Premier League matches this season, or over 75% of games in case of significant injury.

2: *Joe Cole, David Dunn, Tony Hibbert, Justin Hoyte, Ledley King, Gary Neville and Theo Walcott played over 75% of games when available/fit. Only players featuring in 10+ games considered.

3: Jimmy Bullard, Jermain Defoe, Emile Heskey, Hayden Mullins and Kevin Nolan listed with old clubs as featured in more games with that side. Shaun Wright-Phillips listed with new club for same reason.

4: Bolton’s Muamba and Samuel counted as Englishmen due to England U-21s appearances

 

[Jimbo]

There was one United player in that England team.

Really?

Where was he?

 

[nathanbrown'sghost]

Really?

Where was he?

:lol:

 

[WireMan]

Really?

Where was he?

Looking back down the pitch at Lampard being the worst centre mid in the history of the universe.

Still that GOAL KICK cleared him so John "Big Man" Terry will have it covered... ah Dammit.

 

[Tom Shines]

Nedum Onuoha, Joe Hart, Micah Richards, Shaun Wright-Phillips, Gareth Barry, Joleon Lescott, Michael Johnson, Adam Johnson, Wayne Bridge... have all represented England at U21 or senior level.

 

[Ridders]

Still find it amazing that Adam Johnson couldn't make the England squad.

 

[WireMan]

Nedum Onuoha, Joe Hart, Micah Richards, Shaun Wright-Phillips, Gareth Barry, Joleon Lescott, Michael Johnson, Adam Johnson, Wayne Bridge... have all represented England at U21 or senior level.

yup, City used to do well bringing English talent through. They won't be bringing anymore through for a bit though. In fact if rumours are to be believed United may be buying one or two of your youth team.


Oh and if you have not heard, you lot signed Silva from Valencia for about 25 million sterling.

 

[abpanther]

Really?

Where was he?

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

 

[CC_Eagle]

Nedum Onuoha, Joe Hart, Micah Richards, Shaun Wright-Phillips, Gareth Barry, Joleon Lescott, Michael Johnson, Adam Johnson, Wayne Bridge... have all represented England at U21 or senior level.

...and how many will still play for Citeh in 2011/2012?

 

[Jimbo]

Looking back down the pitch at Lampard being the worst centre mid in the history of the universe.

Lampard scored a fair goal against Germany, and came within a bee's dick of getting another from a free kick

Closer than your boy got all tournament

Feel free to forget all that though, if it makes you feel better...

 

[WireMan]

Lampard scored a fair goal against Germany, and came within a bee's dick of getting another from a free kick

Closer than your boy got all tournament

Feel free to forget all that though, if it makes you feel better...

So what your saying is the guy playing in the middle of the pitch, in charge of covering the defence and creating chances for the strike force, marshalling the other teams attacking players and controlling the pace of the game sole contribution to the game was having a goal dissallowed and missing from a free kick.

Riiiight ok, thats a top effort. Good lad. At least Rooney was getting the ball to do nothing with it, you boy hid for the whole tournament because he knows he is not good or mobile enough, has poor passing ability, ball control and positional sense to play the role.

Makes me feel better? I had to sit there and watch my Nation spanked by the bloody Germans. No i wasn't happy.
It wasn't even Lampards fault, he just isn't good enough to play the role, Cappello should of seen this. Its been done to death before. If we play 4-4-2 its time to retire him.

Oh and "my boy" also hit a post in the comp so he wasn't much closer. But you can forget that if it makes you feel better...



Back on topic:
What now for the EPL?

Lots of foreign players coming in i fear.

 

[Jimbo]

So what your saying is the guy playing in the middle of the pitch, in charge of covering the defence and creating chances for the strike force, marshalling the other teams attacking players and controlling the pace of the game sole contribution to the game was having a goal dissallowed and missing from a free kick.

No Wireman

But feel free to redefine my argument if you think it makes it easier to respond to

I'm used to it...