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2011 Souths Line-up

Zigwaa

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Hi guys,

Now that the Inglis saga is finally over and we've lost Champion what are your line-ups for next year?

Mine would be:

1. Wesser
2. Merritt
3. Inglis
4. Farrell
5. Talanoa
6. Sutton
7. Sandow
8. Asotasi
9. Luke
10. Stuart
11. Taylor
12. Burgess
13. Lowe

14. Pettybourne
15. Clarke
16. Crocker
17. Geddes

18. Ross
19. MacPherson

Possible shift of Inglis to full-back if Sutton isn't giving enough ball.

Not sure who's the leading of the pair between Farrell and Vai Vai, but would give Farrell first crack.
 

BunniesMan

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Agree with just about every word of this. Inglis to start off at centre, i think there's a greater than 50% chance he finishes the season at FB. As for the Farrell/Vai Vai question. Both are incredibly promising, but after that debut I think you have to give Farrell first go. And if Inglis makes the move to FB then we can play them both before the end of the year.

I'm very happy with our squad. On paper I think it's the biggest collection of talent in the NRL. I'm very confident about this year.
 

Ttime

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I would be having Ben Ross in the starting 17. Even infront of Geddes... I think we are going to see big things from him.

Also I would shift Meritt to Fullback before I shifted Inglis there...

Farrel gets the nod before Vai VAi as well... but I don't think there is a lot seperating the two. From what I have heard Farrel is a better tackler and has better foot work too
 

jackb

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Very close to the money Zig. A few movements with injuries, suspension and rep games which will give some of the younger guys a run. Plenty of pressure to perform now that we have much footy talent at the club.

Things are working well off the field as well. Have a look at the name of our new training sponsor on GI's shirt - lots of respected corporate support for our club to back up the playing roster.

http://forums.leagueunlimited.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2940&stc=1&d=1294114841
 

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Zigwaa

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Looks good, they are replacing virgin blue as our training apparel sponsor right?

I think Merritt is one of the great genuine specialist wingers in the comp and I would not move him to full back.

I'd like to see how Jamie Simpson would go at the back, but I doubt it will ever happen.
 

Ttime

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Looks good, they are replacing virgin blue as our training apparel sponsor right?

I think Merritt is one of the great genuine specialist wingers in the comp and I would not move him to full back.

I'd like to see how Jamie Simpson would go at the back, but I doubt it will ever happen.

Can't see that happening
I also believe that Merritt is a gun winger but you can't deny how awesome he was at number 1 on the few occasions he played there.
 

Ike E Bear

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Damn, Inglis makes Roy look like a midget.

I knew Roy wasn't the biggest prop around, but it just shows what a physically imposing figure Inglis is.

BTW, he doesn't look terribly unfit there. I guess the haters will explain he's sucking in, wearing a girdle and it's a trick of mirrors and light. Hahaha.


As for the topic, Wesser and Talanoa are the guys I just can't get excited about, while it seems like it'd be a shame to leave young Farrell out after his debut (since reports are that Vaivai may have the inside running at this stage). That said, injury and Origin will ensure both youngsters, as well as some of the second-tier guys get a fair run in 2011.
 

BunniesMan

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Damn, Inglis makes Roy look like a midget.

I knew Roy wasn't the biggest prop around, but it just shows what a physically imposing figure Inglis is.

BTW, he doesn't look terribly unfit there. I guess the haters will explain he's sucking in, wearing a girdle and it's a trick of mirrors and light. Hahaha.


As for the topic, Wesser and Talanoa are the guys I just can't get excited about, while it seems like it'd be a shame to leave young Farrell out after his debut (since reports are that Vaivai may have the inside running at this stage). That said, injury and Origin will ensure both youngsters, as well as some of the second-tier guys get a fair run in 2011.
Even Fox sports of all places specifically described him as "fit looking" today.

He already looks slimmer than he did in November. And that's before he's really gotten into pre season training. No reason to think he won't be 100% ready to roll for the old enemy in round 1.

I think the haters are hating precisely because they're scared.
 

DC_fan

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Hi guys,

Now that the Inglis saga is finally over and we've lost Champion what are your line-ups for next year?

Mine would be:

1. Wesser
2. Merritt
3. Inglis
4. Farrell
5. Talanoa
6. Sutton
7. Sandow
8. Asotasi
9. Luke
10. Stuart
11. Taylor
12. Burgess
13. Lowe

14. Pettybourne
15. Clarke
16. Crocker
17. Geddes

18. Ross
19. MacPherson

Possible shift of Inglis to full-back if Sutton isn't giving enough ball.

Not sure who's the leading of the pair between Farrell and Vai Vai, but would give Farrell first crack.

I have no problem with your starting 13. As for the bench, well that could go a number of different ways.
 

DC_fan

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Damn, Inglis makes Roy look like a midget.

I knew Roy wasn't the biggest prop around, but it just shows what a physically imposing figure Inglis is.

BTW, he doesn't look terribly unfit there. I guess the haters will explain he's sucking in, wearing a girdle and it's a trick of mirrors and light. Hahaha.

Roy weighs in at 104kgs. Inglis said he now weighs 112kgs. Seeing them stand close together you can see a huge size differnece between the two, much more then the suggested 8kgs.

Either Roy weighs around the 90kg or Greg still weighs pretty close to the 120kg mark. You can take your pic as to which one it is.

Four to five weeks ago it was said that Greg weighed 120kg. Because of his injury and surgery he has been unable to train. So how does someone lose 8kgs in such a short period of time without being able to do some sort of training?

If he is losing it from a diet then he needs to market what ever diet he is on, because it would have to be the best ever.

Seriously go to Souths website http://www.rabbitohs.com.au/The-Club/Players-2011.html Take a look at the pic of Inglis on his profile. I know its only a facial pic, but you tell me that after seeing him on the news tonight that he is anywhere close to that weight.
 

BranVan3000

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Roy weighs in at 104kgs. Inglis said he now weighs 112kgs. Seeing them stand close together you can see a huge size differnece between the two, much more then the suggested 8kgs.

Either Roy weighs around the 90kg or Greg still weighs pretty close to the 120kg mark. You can take your pic as to which one it is.

Four to five weeks ago it was said that Greg weighed 120kg. Because of his injury and surgery he has been unable to train. So how does someone lose 8kgs in such a short period of time without being able to do some sort of training?

If he is losing it from a diet then he needs to market what ever diet he is on, because it would have to be the best ever.

Seriously go to Souths website http://www.rabbitohs.com.au/The-Club/Players-2011.html Take a look at the pic of Inglis on his profile. I know its only a facial pic, but you tell me that after seeing him on the news tonight that he is anywhere close to that weight.
1. The 120kg rumour was just that. A RUMOUR

2. Muscle weighs more than fat, and fat takes up more space than muscle. Roy has barely any fat on him. They could be the same weight and Inglis would look bigger if his fat percentage is higher

3. Fat isn't that difficult to lose with light training and good diet if his metabolism is up to it

4. He wasn't 112 in that Australia picture
 

DC_fan

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4. He wasn't 112 in that Australia picture

Thats what I am getting at. In that photo he was around 105kg mark, which I believe is his best playing weight.

Look at that pic and look at how looked today on the news. You tell me that there is only a 7kg difference.
 

Sugar

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That'll do me fine Zig.
Injury free a damn good team to trot out

Take out any 2 forwards and 2 backs and see what team you can come up with
 

Ronnie Dobbs

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Thats a very talented bunch. On paper.....and I stress on paper, that's undoubtedly a top 4 team.

How do you feel about NRL standard depth, which is so important, if injuries hit? I think you will struggle due to your reliance on idividuals, rather than a team like Melbourne or Saints, who play a style that relies on structures and roles. Injuries & rep absences can be covered by avergae players who now exactly what their role is.

If you have a good year injury wise, where do you see the weaknesses in your play with that 17? For me, its the same as above. Lack of discipline with the ball & lack of commitment to do the dirty work. The 1%ers that teams who win comps do. A reliance on individual brilliance.

I'm not trolling here, just interested to know. As a Saints man, and as I've said before, your roster just reminds me in so many ways of ours in 2004, 05 & 06. WE all know what happened with that galaxy of stars. We looked good at times and at times were downright brilliant, but we lacked a hard arsed approach to our footy and all the talent in the world couldn't get us into a GF against more disciplined teams.

Your thoughts?
 
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Appin Rabbit

Juniors
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Hi guys,

Now that the Inglis saga is finally over and we've lost Champion what are your line-ups for next year?

Mine would be:

1. Wesser
2. Merritt
3. Inglis
4. Farrell
5. Talanoa
6. Sutton
7. Sandow
8. Asotasi
9. Luke
10. Stuart
11. Taylor
12. Burgess
13. Lowe

14. Pettybourne
15. Clarke
16. Crocker
17. Geddes

18. Ross
19. MacPherson

Possible shift of Inglis to full-back if Sutton isn't giving enough ball.

Not sure who's the leading of the pair between Farrell and Vai Vai, but would give Farrell first crack.
I'd have Ross on the Bench in place of Pettybourne,Piss McPherson off
 

jackb

Juniors
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Thats a very talented bunch. On paper.....and I stress on paper, that's undoubtedly a top 4 team.

How do you feel about NRL standard depth, which is so important, if injuries hit? I think you will struggle due to your reliance on idividuals, rather than a team like Melbourne or Saints, who play a style that relies on structures and roles. Injuries & rep absences can be covered by avergae players who now exactly what their role is.

If you have a good year injury wise, where do you see the weaknesses in your play with that 17? For me, its the same as above. Lack of discipline with the ball & lack of commitment to do the dirty work. The 1%ers that teams who win comps do. A reliance on individual brilliance.

I'm not trolling here, just interested to know. As a Saints man, and as I've said before, your roster just reminds me in so many ways of ours in 2004, 05 & 06. WE all know what happened with that galaxy of stars. We looked good at times and at times were downright brilliant, but we lacked a hard arsed approach to our footy and all the talent in the world couldn't get us into a GF against more disciplined teams.

Your thoughts?

I agree on many fronts Ronnie. I remember in years past Frank Hyde stating that "a champion team will always beat a team of champions" and saints proved that last season. They have a strong but not brilliant roster and worked for each other to get the result. Both GF teams had a fantastic run with injuries as well and this helped in a very big way - I doubt that either team had a starting player on the sideline with injury.

This season should be a very good one for Souths. There should be no way that the horrific injury toll from last season can be repeated again so simply by staying fit and healthy we will improve. Sam Burgess and Dave Taylor had their first run with us last year and improvement can be expected from both. We also have a very talented list of juniors knocking on the door of first grade and Ben Ross should be a big asset in the front row.

All that said we still need to work as a team and be prepared to do the hard yards that builds a solid outfit. We have two excellent workers in the pack, Luke Stuart and Ben Lowe, with some tough and talented guys around them. I'm sure that our boys can hunt as a pack and dominate many matches. The GF winning experience of Asotasi, Crocker, Ross, Wesser and Inglis should help lift the younger players and mould the team. John Lang is also a good coach so provided the top side stays healthy I have no doubt that we will build as the season progresses. We do have depth in most areas, particularily the forwards, and the bench players have enough experience to slot in with the coaches style of play.

If I was to pick the top 4 as of today I would have Souths, Saints, Tigers and Storm as my choice.
 

Zigwaa

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That'll do me fine Zig.
Injury free a damn good team to trot out

Take out any 2 forwards and 2 backs and see what team you can come up with

These are our depth players as I see it:
Centre/ Wing/ Fullback
Vai Vai, Corrigan, Simpson, McQueen, Mansour, Morgan and Webster.
A lot of youth with a few players with experience. May be up to covering a few injuries.

Halves/ Hooker
Falloon, Peats, Reynolds and Mundine.
Not so strong in this area, might cope with one injury, but 2 or more at the same time might really hurt us.

Forwards - depends how you look at it, but these are my backups
Ross, McPherson, Tyrell.
Look pretty thin here too. 2 injuries might be ok, but anymore as with last season we will really struggle.

So Ronnie, I think we may find it tough if we have a host of injuries, as would most sides. But if they are minimal I think we have the squad to go the distance.
 

Ttime

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Either Roy weighs around the 90kg or Greg still weighs pretty close to the 120kg mark. You can take your pic as to which one it is.

/QUOTE]

Pffft.. Don't be an idiot. Asotasi is much thicker than Inglis. He is a prop you dumbie
 

Ike E Bear

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Thats a very talented bunch. On paper.....and I stress on paper, that's undoubtedly a top 4 team.

How do you feel about NRL standard depth, which is so important, if injuries hit? I think you will struggle due to your reliance on idividuals, rather than a team like Melbourne or Saints, who play a style that relies on structures and roles. Injuries & rep absences can be covered by avergae players who now exactly what their role is.

If you have a good year injury wise, where do you see the weaknesses in your play with that 17? For me, its the same as above. Lack of discipline with the ball & lack of commitment to do the dirty work. The 1%ers that teams who win comps do. A reliance on individual brilliance.

I'm not trolling here, just interested to know. As a Saints man, and as I've said before, your roster just reminds me in so many ways of ours in 2004, 05 & 06. WE all know what happened with that galaxy of stars. We looked good at times and at times were downright brilliant, but we lacked a hard arsed approach to our footy and all the talent in the world couldn't get us into a GF against more disciplined teams.

Your thoughts?

I think most of your points are quite reasonable. I think the Bunnies have a bit of a problem in terms of depth, especially in the halves.

There are some decent kids and second-tier players to cover the backs, and even the forwards barring an injury crisis like 2010's.

You just can't replace a player like Luke, same as a hooker like Smith, Farah or even Ennis. You take him out and the whole team suffers quite a bit.

But in the halves, the pool is pretty shallow. You just can't move Luke from hooker, as has been done in the past ... that's a double blow. Inglis and maybe Mundine arguably give the Bunnies more depth for 5/8 than they had in 2010, but the only possible replacement for Sandow at half would be an untested kid - Reynolds.

As for the discipline and one-percent'ers comment, I think winning and losing are both habitual. Souths has to learn to win and make a habit of doing it, including in those tight games.

While teams like the Bulldogs and Roosters have gone from cellar to near the top in recent years with coaching changes, I think Souths were always going to be less capable of such a dramatic flare-up. They need to build something. It's going to take committed individuals to do that.

The good news is I think the Rabbitohs are very much working in the right direction. Guys like Luke, Burgess, Stuart, Lowe, Merritt and even Roy (despite his two past tough years) are competitors and I think they are capable of dragging up those around them, either through passion or by the quiet and professional way they go about their role.

Guys like Sutton, Sandow and Taylor need to learn from these guys and step up a gear - all are talented (yes, even Sandow, for the haters) but need more consistency and fewer brainfarts that have a way of deflating their teammates.

I'm hoping Inglis will definitely be more a part of the former group than the latter ... he's still young and not obviously a "leader". Fingers crossed.

Finally there's the coach. I think Lang is a good and fine coach, but I'm hoping the next coach will be something of a "missing piece" for the Bunnies. It's hard to view Lang as a game-changer (something the Bunnies need) and it's impossible to ignore the fact that he's A LOT closer to the end than the beginning of his coaching career.

Rusty is very passionate. Hopefully he can help attract the "special" coach he clearly wants and then let's him get on with the job.
 

Ike E Bear

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Both GF teams had a fantastic run with injuries as well and this helped in a very big way - I doubt that either team had a starting player on the sideline with injury.

Throughout the season, both teams had a couple of injuries.

For the Dragons: Fein, Hunt (especially after the loss of Poore from their roster), Smith and Cooper all spent some time injured from memory ... plus there was Weyman's suspension. Hunt's was probably the biggest and hardest to accomodate.

For the Roosters: Cherrington and Wearea-Hargraves are the only two I can think of, while Myles seemed to play injured for a portion of the season. I think they had a minor injury in the backs as well ... nothing too serious. Arguably the Roosters ended up being better served by Aubusson in the backrow than what people anticipated, so Cherrington probably wasn't much of a loss ... so I think it's fair to say they had the better run in terms of injury - perhaps even the best of any team in 2010.
 

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