Broncos pack No.1 - Wallace

[aussies1st]

If you're going to include Thompson, may as well include Matt Gillett for the Broncos.
Ferguson, I don't rate.

Will Gillett play there for the whole season or even round 1? Thompson will be our center for the entire season.

 

[Desert Qlder]

Huh? We have about as much depth as any other club in the comp.

I'd go as far to say this pack is our best since 2007.

Dane Carlaw ≠ depth sorry Pete. Ben Hannant does make you better, but that isn't hard, the pack has been rubbish since Petero left.

 

[The Colonel]

Starting or off the bench?

Starting. Both are international players but they don't make the entire pack better.

2010 Gibbs would make any bench.

You are right. A lot of CRL clubs would love to have him. He might even get a start.

Heighnington would make most backrows, and any bench.

Wasted player on the bench but hasn't come on as well as his breakout year.

And Fifita, Dwyer, Woods and Murdoch-Masila could go any way.

And that in lies the reason for them not being considered a top pack yet. Too many question marks.

 

[Big Pete]

Dane Carlaw ≠ depth sorry Pete. Ben Hannant does make you better, but that isn't hard, the pack has been rubbish since Petero left.

So you picked out one ordinary player and decided the Broncos didn't have depth?

Wonder what you made of the Dragons having Nick Emmett, Cronulla having Broderick Wright and Josh Cordoba, Raiders having Danny Galea...

You are right. A lot of CRL clubs would love to have him. He might even get a start.

That's more than you can say for nearly every Parra forward then...

He improved leaps and bounds last year and unlike a lot of players stood up in all the big games.

Wasted player on the bench but hasn't come on as well as his breakout year.

2010 was easily his best year.

And that in lies the reason for them not being considered a top pack yet. Too many question marks.

Are you serious?

Every pack has young players who could go either way, if anything these group of youngsters are by far the most proven.

 

[The Colonel]

That's more then you can say for nearly every Parra forward then...

If you can show me where I talked up Parramatta I'll be more than happy to enter them into the argument. Bryce Gibbs gives away penalties and cheap shots and not much else ...... the Tigers pack may well be better off with a Fifita or Woods starting.

2010 was easily his best year.

For Heighington? :lol: Before Ellis arrived he was easily the Tigers best forward. Since Ellis has arrived he has played ok but no where near the way he played when he was touted as an Origin forward.

Are you serious?

Every pack has young players who could go either way, if anything these group of youngsters are by far the most proven.

Dwyer maybe. Woods had a decent beard that made him a standout and hardly played last year. Fifita has some fitness issues but has the makings of a good prop. Murdoch-Masila, potential but hasn't proved anything yet.

 

[MightyBronco]

Good old Wallace talking it up. I wish we had a front rower with his toughness.

 

[Big Pete]

If you can show me where I talked up Parramatta I'll be more than happy to enter them into the argument.

I thought I'd give you some perspective if we were throwing around ignorant statements.

Bryce Gibbs gives away penalties and cheap shots and not much else

Not in 2010.

For Heighington? :lol: Before Ellis arrived he was easily the Tigers best forward. Since Ellis has arrived he has played ok but no where near the way he played when he was touted as an Origin forward.

He's still being touted, heck last year was where he was making the most noise. He did go off the boil in 2009 but 2010 was for mine his best year.

Dwyer maybe. Woods had a decent beard that made him a standout and hardly played last year. Fifita has some fitness issues but has the makings of a good prop. Murdoch-Masila, potential but hasn't proved anything yet.

Dwyer and Fifita have definitely proved themselves in first grade more so than a lot of other club juniors.

Murdoch-Masila and Woods remain to be seen.

 

[Desert Qlder]

So you picked out one ordinary player and decided the Broncos didn't have depth?.

No worries Pete, have it your way.

Tronc is an awesome prop known for bending the defense backwards. Scott Anderson? Well he'll be pushing for rep selection this year. And let us not forget the Broncos favourite son, Nick Kenny and his powerful charges for eighty solid minutes. Throw Dane Carlaw into this spicy mix and you've got the recipe for carnage amongst NRL forward packs this year.

Phew, I'm exhausted just thinking about these fearsome powerhouses.

;-)

 

[Big Pete]

No worries Pete, have it your way.

Oh how did you know I wanted another ignorant post on your behalf.

 

[The Colonel]

I thought I'd give you some perspective if we were throwing around ignorant statements.

Just because I disagree with your point of view doesn't make me ignorant. Gibbs, in your opinion, had a decent year. If the Tigers had better options, which they could well do we'll see how long he remains as a starter.

He's still being touted, heck last year was where he was making the most noise. He did go off the boil in 2009 but 2010 was for mine his best year.

The biggest noise about him being in the Origin frame was made by him and telling the NSW selectors he may consider playing for the Poms.

We'll see what happens this year in regards to how their pack stands up to others.

 

[Big Pete]

Just because I disagree with your point of view doesn't make me ignorant.

It's not that you disagree it's your reasons for your disagreements.

2 years ago I would've been right there supporting your view but last year Gibbs was the work-a-holic prop he'd always promised he would be and for mine the most consistent out of him and Galloway.

If the Tigers had better options, which they could well do we'll see how long he remains as a starter.

Well duh, but same could be said of Cronulla with Douglas and Snowden. If they had Scott, Shillington, Civoniceiva and Hannant would they even make the side?

The biggest noise about him being in the Origin frame was made by him and telling the NSW selectors he may consider playing for the Poms.

And the slew of media saying he should be on the show and him always being talked up as a bolter by the boys on 9 and FoxSports.

 

[Desert Qlder]

Oh how did you know I wanted another ignorant post on your behalf.

:lol::lol: Classic. If you don't rate the Drongos forward pack you are ignorant. You're priceless young fella.

It's good to see you're continuing a fine tradition amongst BB fans of lack of perspective or sense of humour.

 

[The Colonel]

It's not that you disagree it's your reasons for your disagreements.

Still doesn't make me ignorant, just means I don't agree with you. Doesn't make your opinion the right one either.

Well duh, but same could be said of Cronulla with Douglas and Snowden. If they had Scott, Shillington, Civoniceiva and Hannant would they even make the side?

I'm not talking up any options they have outside the club. Potentially Fifita is a better prop. He just isn't fit enough to start.

And the slew of media saying he should be on the show and him always being talked up as a bolter by the boys on 9 and FoxSports.

And still the biggest media reports came from the fact he was considering going to play for England because he wasn't picked. Whether or not he made Orgin last year wouldn't have meant he was having a good season anyway...... just would have meant that the NSW selectors might have come across some footage of his games in 2008.

 

[The Colonel]

:lol::lol: Classic. If you don't rate the Drongos forward pack you are ignorant. You're priceless young fella.
.

Actually it is more that if your opinion is not the same as Big Pete's you are ignorant.......

 

[Desert Qlder]

Actually it is more that if your opinion is not the same as Big Pete's you are ignorant.......

Pete's alright, he's just toeing the line like all good Bronco supporters and he'll be there all season at Lang Park sitting on his hands and silent as a mouse with the rest of them.

 

[Big Pete]

:lol::lol: Classic. If you don't rate the Drongos forward pack you are ignorant. You're priceless young fella.

It's good to see you're continuing a fine tradition amongst BB fans of lack of perspective or sense of humour.

Note the smiley at the end, I was taking the mickey out of myself.

However I don't think you've got the Broncos pack down at all.

Sure Tronc will start but there's nothing wrong with a workhorse prop with an offload on him. Definitely not rep. quality, but very solid for us in the NRL.

The rest you listed in Anderson, Kenny and Carlaw won't be in the Broncos starting 17 and are perfectly fine as squad players.

Colonol - Stats. are down but ask any Tigers fan and they'll tell you how much they valued Gibbs last season and that he cut the crap out of his game.

Heighnington may of had his best season last season, 2008 may of been his best season, it's irrelevant - he was being talked up as an Origin bolter and played very well for the Tigers and would make most 17's which was my point.

I'll repeat what I basically said earlier in another thread, I really rate forward packs with a good hooker and a good coach. With Farah and Folks at the club I reckon the Tigers have a superior pack to the Sharks.

 

[The Colonel]

Colonol - Stats. are down but ask any Tigers fan and they'll tell you how much they valued Gibbs last season and that he cut the crap out of his game.

:lol:

Ask some Eels fans and they'll rate the Eels pack one of the Top 5 in the comp....... bias doesn't help an argument.

 

[Big Pete]

You're not asking them to rank Gibbs as a forward, just to ask them has he improved.

Most if not all will tell you he has.

But nah I'll take an Eels supporters opinion over theirs who thinks he's a CRL standard player and all he did last season was give away a ton of penalties...yeah he really didn't do anything else. >.>

 

[Desert Qlder]

Sure Tronc will start but there's nothing wrong with a workhorse prop with an offload on him. Definitely not rep. quality, but very solid for us in the NRL.

The rest you listed in Anderson, Kenny and Carlaw won't be in the Broncos starting 17 and are perfectly fine as squad players.

Tronc is rubbish, plain and simple. Phrases like 'workhorse' and 'very solid' are just flowery nonsense to describe a player that would struggle to make first grade at another club. And he's your starter!

So if the rest of them won't be in the 17 then prove me wrong then - who is this magic depth that you speak of? Perhaps you mean Mitchell Dodds - fair, young, potential are adequate descriptions but hardly proven. Or Josh McGuire then, similar case only less potential. I'm not sure who else you could mean.

Let's not forget also that Ben Hannant hasn't exactly put a lot of games together in recent times.

Not a great deal of depth there I'm afraid. Good players amongst them, but it doesn't extend very far and certainly not enough to put too much fear into the top forward packs of the comp.

 

[Big Pete]

Tronc is rubbish, plain and simple. Phrases like 'workhorse' and 'very solid' are just flowery nonsense to describe a player that would struggle to make first grade at another club. And he's your starter!

Hey give me a prop who can make 30 tackles, give me 100 solid metres and throw a few offloads every day of the week. Tronc is far from a bad player and his job will be much easier this season after a full preseason and having another prop by his side.

Starting 17 pack will look like...

8. Ben Hannant
9. Andrew McCullough
10. Shane Tronc
11. Ben Te'o
12. Sam Thaiday
13. Corey Parker

14. Ben Hunt
15. Matt Gillett
16. Josh McGuire
17. Alex Glenn

McGuire is a talent who's improving with every game, Dodds is a great defender and the best at the club (probably right up there in the NRL too, very TC).

Throw in Anderson, Carlaw and Kenny as squad members.

And the encouraging Lui, Ahern, Lingwoodock, Hala and Frei and we're looking alright.

No one is saying it's the best pack (well my name sake is, but Wallace is a ranga) but I definitely think it's our best pack in a long while. If I was to rank them, I'd have them slightly above average.

Good if not very good backrow, solid front row.