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Gasnier conspiracy - notice to Ian Schubert

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Beavo

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So Mark Gasnier makes his triumphant return in 2010 signing a 4 1/2 year backended contract.

No issue with that at all, backending contracts, or even bringing payments forward if club circumstances change is totally above board. Effectively utilising the salary cap is a mark of a well run club and will enchance their chances of success.

However, Gasnier has now decided to pull the pin, forfeiting the final 3 years of his contract and if reports are anything to go by, they were to be the most lucrative part of his contract.

But now, if he were to work for the club in any circumstance (say as a specialist one-on-one backs coach...) and get paid an 'overly healthy' amount for his services, this would be quite a convenient circumstance.

Let's just sit back and see what happens, keep on your toes Schuie!
 
muzby

muzby

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Beavo said:
So Mark Gasnier makes his triumphant return in 2010 signing a 4 1/2 year backended contract.

No issue with that at all, backending contracts, or even bringing payments forward if club circumstances change is totally above board. Effectively utilising the salary cap is a mark of a well run club and will enchance their chances of success.

However, Gasnier has now decided to pull the pin, forfeiting the final 3 years of his contract and if reports are anything to go by, they were to be the most lucrative part of his contract.

But now, if he were to work for the club in any circumstance (say as a specialist one-on-one backs coach...) and get paid an 'overly healthy' amount for his services, this would be quite a convenient circumstance.

Let's just sit back and see what happens, keep on your toes Schuie!
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you forgot your hat..

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The.X.Factor9

The.X.Factor9

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lol No. The Dragons are not rorting the cap, their roster is well balanced; and they do not have a plethora of superstars like my team and Melbourne did.

So give it a rest; also Ian Schubert is a joke, he had to rely on insiders to help him bust salary cap rorters;furthermore some how one of the chief architects of the Melbourne salary cap scandal is still involved in the NRL working for the Sydney Roosters, whom Schubert used to play for.

now that is a conspiracy ^
 
East Coast Tiger

East Coast Tiger

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It raises a good point about this back-ending contracts business.

Wasn't the NRL unhappy that he was being paid too little when he came back because under cap rules a player cannot be undervalued?

If so and the club got around it by paying him more for years three and four etc and then he doesn't see out the contract surely there is a problem.

The other business about players being employed by clubs after the retire in some sort of off-field role is also a big issue but could apply to a lot of players and it's hard to stop.
 
Twizzle

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that argument would make more sense if he pulled out of the first year of a backended contract and just played the lucrative years

why would anyone pull out of the most lucrative year of a backended contract ?

thats hardly a worry for Shoey

it may, however, require some shuffling of the books from St Merge accounting staff to make it balance out over 3 years instead of 4, thats probably the only interest that Shoey would have
 
Danish

Danish

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Mr Saab said:
Agreed with that. Schubert couldnt uncover a salary cap scandal if his life depended on it
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Hey now, he did make the incredible bust of Morley driving a City Ford falcon after pulling up next to him at the lights :sarcasm:


And lets not forget his massive rort uncovering of parramatta paying a $300 airfare for Moi Moi's son to come over and watch him play the finals series. He even managed to tack on an extra few thousand bucks to that one because of the "performance enhancing" aspects of it IIRC :lol:
 
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Rudderriffic

Rudderriffic

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Notice to Beavo: Putting "notice to Ian Schubert" in your title achieves nothing. This forum is not Schubert's inbox.

As for the conspiracy, Gasnier may have just had enough. He will never be as good as he was in his peak, and as a competitor at the highest level, he probably has too much pride to run around as an above average to good centre for the the next three years after being a superstar earlier in his career. Besides that, he won a grand final last year, and next year Saints will be transitioning to a new coach, and consequently adapting to the new coaches structure and system.

Who can blame an older guy who has already done these readjustments plenty of times, from wanting to do it again?
 
Mr Saab

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Danish said:
Hey now, he did make the incredible bust of Morley driving a City Ford falcon after pulling up next to him at the lights :sarcasm:


And lets not forget his massive rort uncovering of parramatta paying a $300 airfare for Moi Moi's son to come over and watch him play the finals series. He even managed to tack on an extra few thousand bucks to that one because of the "performance enhancing" aspects of it IIRC :lol:
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Oh yes. how could i forget such monetary breaches.
Ian is akin to a cop catching shop lifters.....whilst it takes the public to catch the murderers
 
docbrown

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Twizzle said:
why would anyone pull out of the most lucrative year of a backended contract ?
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If he knew he was always going to retire (his own words), then he had no intention of fulfilling the contract and it was to the Dragon's advantage over their competitors.

That to me is a cause for investigation.
 
DJShaksta

DJShaksta

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East Coast Tiger said:
It raises a good point about this back-ending contracts business.

Wasn't the NRL unhappy that he was being paid too little when he came back because under cap rules a player cannot be undervalued?

If so and the club got around it by paying him more for years three and four etc and then he doesn't see out the contract surely there is a problem.

The other business about players being employed by clubs after the retire in some sort of off-field role is also a big issue but could apply to a lot of players and it's hard to stop.
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Excellent post.
The only thing needed to fix the bolded bit is that the contract should be now averaged over the length and St.George pay the Toey human the balance of the averaged contract up to the end of the year.
 
Fingerbang

Fingerbang

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docbrown said:
If he knew he was always going to retire (his own words), then he had no intention of fulfilling the contract and it was to the Dragon's advantage over their competitors.

That to me is a cause for investigation.
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Investigate what? Themselves? The NRL and Schubert sanctioned the contract when submitted. Gaz said he wanted to play until he won a premiership. Just so happens he did that a couple of months later.
 
Danish

Danish

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Fingerbang said:
Right after they strip the Broncos premiership from 06?

The only one being hurt financially is Gasnier....he is the one missing out on the latter year dollars.
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Assuming he doesn't pick up an assistant coaching job for $300-400K of course...
 
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