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Brookvale upgrade

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No government is going to give Brookvale or any other suburban ground $100m for an Ausgrid-standard stadium. Just isn't going to happen.

Manly could be massively improved with around $30m to $40m. That ought to be more than enough to guarantee the future of Brookvale Oval in the medium term.
 

Suitman

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No government is going to give Brookvale or any other suburban ground $100m for an Ausgrid-standard stadium. Just isn't going to happen.

Manly could be massively improved with around $30m to $40m. That ought to be more than enough to guarantee the future of Brookvale Oval in the medium term.

Yep, and for that sort of money they could build a replica of the Eastern Stand at Penrith - behind the hill. Terrace seating can go in front if they wish.

Suity
 

BunniesMan

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Manly have tried, the people of Nth Sydney aren't very welcoming of the Sea Eagles.
I wonder why...

If during rationalisation the Panthers and Eels merged, and the Eels were then murdered only for the Panthers to get back into the comp as their own club, would you and the people of Parramatta be welcoming to the Panthers?

Especially when the Bears were killed for what really is a weaker club.
 

eagles4eva

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I wonder why...

If during rationalisation the Panthers and Eels merged, and the Eels were then murdered only for the Panthers to get back into the comp as their own club, would you and the people of Parramatta be welcoming to the Panthers?

Especially when the Bears were killed for what really is a weaker club.[/QUOTE]

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eagles4eva

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I wonder why...

If during rationalisation the Panthers and Eels merged, and the Eels were then murdered only for the Panthers to get back into the comp as their own club, would you and the people of Parramatta be welcoming to the Panthers?

Especially when the Bears were killed for what really is a weaker club.


Have you got any idea of what really happened or just posting utter crap like normal???
 
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I wonder why...

If during rationalisation the Panthers and Eels merged, and the Eels were then murdered only for the Panthers to get back into the comp as their own club, would you and the people of Parramatta be welcoming to the Panthers?

Especially when the Bears were killed for what really is a weaker club.

A club that hadnt won a premiership for 75 years was a stronger one than a club that has won a premierships in the 70s , 80s and 90s ?!
 

firechild

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I wonder why...

If during rationalisation the Panthers and Eels merged, and the Eels were then murdered only for the Panthers to get back into the comp as their own club, would you and the people of Parramatta be welcoming to the Panthers?

Especially when the Bears were killed for what really is a weaker club.

A weaker club? Comparing a club that won nothing since 1922 (with a total of 2 premierships) to a club that is the only one to have played in grand finals in every decade of the modern era with a total of 7 premierships since 1972 and has not won a single wooden spoon in its 64 year existence you'd be mad (or a rabbits supporter) to think that Manly is the weaker club.

As for the Central Coast rejecting Manly, it was for the same reason that many of them reject the Bears. They want a standalone club of their own rather than a blow-in from Sydney. If there is going to be a NRL club in the CC then they have every right to want their own club and not live off the history of another club. Who'd want to inherit the Bears' history of failure?
 

BunniesMan

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A club that hadnt won a premiership for 75 years was a stronger one than a club that has won a premierships in the 70s , 80s and 90s ?!
The Bears were fairly strong in the 90s, and Manly has been quite weak financially in the last decade. Manly has a limited area, with their efforts of expanding west and north being limited by an unenthusiastic public. The Bears had a bigger territory in Sydney as well as their potential on the CC.

IMO if the Bears were brought back in 2002 when Manly was (as they should have been so we didn't have 15 teams for years like we did after Souths came back in and before the Tits), the Bears would be bigger and stronger than Manly by now.
 
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The Bears were fairly strong in the 90s, and Manly has been quite weak financially in the last decade. Manly has a limited area, with their efforts of expanding west and north being limited by an unenthusiastic public. The Bears had a bigger territory in Sydney as well as their potential on the CC.

IMO if the Bears were brought back in 2002 when Manly was (as they should have been so we didn't have 15 teams for years like we did after Souths came back in and before the Tits), the Bears would be bigger and stronger than Manly by now.

Ultimately playing in the 1st grade comp is about winning.

Manly are winners , the bears were not.


And manly's area in sydney may have been slightly smaller than the bears , but the northern beaches has always been much more enthusiastic about rugby league than the north shore has.

The north shore has always favoured union , even when union was amateur.
 

firechild

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The North Shore is one of the strongest rugby union areas in Sydney, it's a large part of the reason why the Bears were never particularly successful, especially in the days of the residency rule. As Herbert says, professional sport is about winning and if teams cannot perform (at least once every 50 years) then perhaps they are in the wrong place. Manly wins, at least once a decade so their place in the NRL should not be questioned. If the bears came back in 2002 they would have just added 10 years to their history of failure, nothing more, nothing less. I highly doubt they would have played in a couple of grand finals in that time, they certainly would not have won a premiership by the greatest margin in history. Norths and Souths have a bit of a link due to being kicked out and having a rich history of failure, that is the only reason you want to defend them.
 

seaeagle sam

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I wonder why...

If during rationalisation the Panthers and Eels merged, and the Eels were then murdered only for the Panthers to get back into the comp as their own club, would you and the people of Parramatta be welcoming to the Panthers?

Especially when the Bears were killed for what really is a weaker club.

The Bears were fairly strong in the 90s, and Manly has been quite weak financially in the last decade. Manly has a limited area, with their efforts of expanding west and north being limited by an unenthusiastic public. The Bears had a bigger territory in Sydney as well as their potential on the CC.

IMO if the Bears were brought back in 2002 when Manly was (as they should have been so we didn't have 15 teams for years like we did after Souths came back in and before the Tits), the Bears would be bigger and stronger than Manly by now.

Another fantasy by Bunniesman. Is it really that hard to research the facts?

I'll give you a fact - the Bears were insolvent and didn't meet the criteria of the NRL. Funnily enough this is the exact same criteria which Souths failed to meet.


Another fact - Manly have been one of the most successful clubs for the past four of five decades. Norths weren't and Souths don't even come close.

Your statement 'the Bears would be bigger and stronger than Manly by now' is pure philosophy. This is fair enough as you are entitled to an opinion. I have one to - if Russell didn't turn Souths into his real life toy, your club would be f**ked - just like the Bears.

peace man.
 

PARRA_FAN

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Are they fair dinkum?

Theyve been talking up a redevelopment and come up with this???

This looks more like a development on Pittwater Park.
 

CC_Roosters

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Are they fair dinkum?

Theyve been talking up a redevelopment and come up with this???

This looks more like a development on Pittwater Park.

That is not the clubs plans, rather a third party submission to the council, which they will take to stakeholders for consulation. Manly i suspect will say f**k off to that
 

eagles4eva

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The Bears were fairly strong in the 90s, and Manly has been quite weak financially in the last decade. Manly has a limited area, with their efforts of expanding west and north being limited by an unenthusiastic public. The Bears had a bigger territory in Sydney as well as their potential on the CC.

IMO if the Bears were brought back in 2002 when Manly was (as they should have been so we didn't have 15 teams for years like we did after Souths came back in and before the Tits), the Bears would be bigger and stronger than Manly by now.

You really have no idea at all, seems you have been reading too many posts by rocking roooney....
 

AlwaysGreen

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The Bears were fairly strong in the 90s,
Manly won a premiership in the 90's and played in 3 consecutive grand finals. I think they were a little bit stronger than the bears in that decade and any other bar the nineteen twenties.
 
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POPEYE

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Manly won a premiership in the 90's and played in 3 consecutive grand finals. I think they were a little bit stronger than the bears in that decade and any other bar the nineteen twenties.

Been into Wiki again have you . . . just put the Seagles into Bluetongue permanently and leave the Bears buried. When they were alive they had no class and if they did find any more like Cliffy Manly would just poach them.
 

AlwaysGreen

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Been into Wiki again have you . . . just put the Seagles into Bluetongue permanently and leave the Bears buried. When they were alive they had no class and if they did find any more like Cliffy Manly would just poach them.
No son, haven't been into wiki, just know my league.

Norths problem was that when key players were out they lost form :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
 

smithie

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Time for Brookvale to sell out

Sea Eagles coach Des Hasler used the post-match media conference after his team’s shellacking of a woeful Newcastle to praise the Knights’ newly redeveloped home ground and give Premier Barry O’Farrell a none too subtle jab about getting similar facilities on the Northern Beaches.

“It’s a great stadium. You see the people turning up today – there must have been over 20,000 turning up to watch their footy side play, in facilities, in facilities like these, are just outstanding.”

“I hope you’re listening Barry… There are probably 300,000 people in the northern beaches constituency and they deserve the same facilities. Let’s get off the fence, do something about it, get on the front foot, and give the northern beaches constituency an oval like this, where they can cheer on their side as well.”

Des went on to draw comparisons between the kind of money Newcastle and Woollongong have received for their stadiums and the money for a redone Brookvale, saying the twin steel cities have received $90 million each compared to $6 million for Manly.

So what’s the difference between Ausgrid and WIN stadiums and Brookvale oval? Well the most obvious would probably be the names.

The Knights and Steelers may have once played out of the Newcastle International Sports Centre and Woollongong Showground respectively but these days the price of nostalgia is too high.

In fact it is estimated at being around $300,000 a season. At least this was the figure thrown around by then-CEO of the Sea Eagles, Grant Mayer, in 2008 when the possibility of selling Brookvale’s naming rights was discussed.

Obviously it did not go ahead but when Brookvale’s future was investigated by Manly-Warringah council in 2010 the people of the peninsula stated they wanted their oval be upgraded but not at the expense of ratepayers.

Thus the possibility of selling the oval’s naming rights remains on the table.

And though $300,000 a season isn’t the magical $90 million Des is after, it certainly does begin to add up.

Newcastle International Sports Centre sold its naming rights in 1992 and 20 years later the Knights are running out on to the stadium Des called ‘a juggernaught’.

And though no one wants Manly to wait twenty years for a re-developed Brookvale, had they sold the naming rights when the Knights did they could potentially be $6 million closer to the ground they want.

Queenslanders still call the Cauldron Lang Park. Cronulla fans watch their team play out of Shark Park. And – as an example of how effective corporate naming rights can be – Novocastrians call their home ground Marathon 10 years after the tire company rolled away with their corporate sponsorship dollars.

Maybe if the Sea Eagles want a top notch ground to call home, TV broadcasters will have to call it XYZ Oval, Brookvale – the Maroon and White faithful will always know it’s really just Brookie.

http://www.theroar.com.au/2011/07/19/time-for-brookvale-to-sell-out/
 
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