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Te Kaha

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Usually the Aussies go on about Ritchie being a cheat... or the All Blacks are protected...

But now they are following the English and want the Haka banned???

Grow some balls Aussie...

http://www.foxsports.com.au/rugby/t...n-the-rugby-club/story-fn5k35do-1226113516220

The All Blacks should not be allowed to perform the haka before rugby union matches because it gives the New Zealand team "an unfair physical advantage" over their rivals, Fox Sports commentator Greg Martin says.

"They get an unfair physical advantage," Martin said on The Rugby Club. "The whole game of rugby is about male dominance over another man, and they're there yelling and screaming and threatening and you've got to sit there and go: 'Umm, this'll be finished soon.'"
"What's so good about it?"
The haka is a traditional Maori dance, and war haka were performed originally by warriors before a battle to proclaim their strength and prowess in order to intimidate the opposition.Today, haka represent an integral part of New Zealand culture and they are performed at official welcome ceremonies for distinguished visitors or foreign dignitaries. Thousands of haka are performed by tribes and cultural groups in New Zealand. Countless New Zealand sporting teams perform a pre-match haka - the Kiwis (rugby league), the Tall Blacks (men's basketball), the Ice Blacks (men's ice hockey), and even the national lacrosse team - but the dance, in particularly the ka mate haka, is synonymous with the All Blacks.
The New Zealand National Rugby Union adopted the haka in 1906 since when the national rugby union team has performed a version before every Test it has played.
The All Blacks controversially introduced a new haka in 2005, kapa o pango, the "throat-slitting" dance they performed before the Bledisloe Cup Test against the Wallabies in Auckland on Saturday.


Kapa o pango features an extended and aggressive introduction by the leader of the haka - halfback Piri Weepu led the haka in Auckland. The haka is highlighted by a more aggressive climax - a drawing of the thumb down the throat, the action directed at the opposition.
The words to kapa o pango are more specific than ka mate to the All Blacks, and it is reserved for "special occasions".
The All Blacks are believed to have performed kapa o pango in Auckland because of a perceived lack of pre-match respect from the Wallabies.
New Zealand certainly dominated the Wallabies in Auckland - physically and mentally - winning the opening Bledisloe Cup Test of the season 30-14.
"If you want to go see entertainment go to the theatre," Martin said of the haka, which many rugby fans around the world love to watch.

"That's what it is; it's singing and dancing."
John Smit, captain of the Springboks who faced the debut kapa o pango in Dunedinsaid after that Test: "To stand there and watch it for the first time was a privilege."
But kapo o pango has been controversial throughout its short history, with former London Daily Telegraph columnist Mick Cleary criticising it as "unmistakably provocative".
And France coach Bernard Laporte, in 2006, went so far as to advise the All Blacks against performing kapa o pango during their tour of France, saying "it's no good for the promotion of our sport".
The All Blacks are not the only international rugby union to perform a pre-match war dance.
Tonga perform the kailao, Fiji perform the cibi and Samoa perform manu siva tau.
Samoa originally performed the traditional 'ma'ulu'ulu moa' on tour, but they adopted the manu war chant before Rugby World Cup 1991 because they considered it to be more aggressive and effective in psyching up the players.
 
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Usually the Aussies go on about Ritchie being a cheat... or the All Blacks are protected...

But now they are following the English and want the Haka banned???

Grow some balls Aussie...
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I couldn't agree more. I love the Haka and it's a part of rugby culture. Anyone who loves rugby loves the Haka and knows that it doesn't give a team any sort of edge. If they think it does, then they should create their own. I'm embarassed that anyone (let alone an Aussie) would want to call for it to be taken out. Pathetic and not even worth wasting time on!
 

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  • Ban the haka
  • Everyone should be allowed to ride in the back of a ute
  • Bring Back Cracker Night
  • Incinerators back in back yards
  • Daylight Savings
  • No dogs under 30cm
 

Thomas

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  • Ban the haka
  • Everyone should be allowed to ride in the back of a ute
  • Bring Back Cracker Night
  • Incinerators back in back yards
  • Daylight Savings
  • No dogs under 30cm

:lol:

Very true.

Greg Martin is a troll of the highest order and he puts out these 'article' to rile the kiwis up. And it works every time. I don't mind the haka. If one teams wants to stand there and do a fancy yet quaint little dance, then so be it. I enjoyed Rod Macqueen's tact. Make the Wallabies wear their tracksuits and then spend a few minutes getting ready after it while the All Blacks huff and puff after doing another vigorous hokey-pokey. Seemd to work very well for the team of that era.

What I don't like is the IRB edict that states that opposition teams must stand a certain distance from it and not advance on the halfway line. The Aussie women's team was fined $1600 for advancing on the NZ women's team haka. Now THAT is precious.

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/u...nks-before-bledisloe-test-20100909-153c9.html
 
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:lol:

Very true.

Greg Martin is a troll of the highest order and he puts out these 'article' to rile the kiwis up. And it works every time. I don't mind the haka. If one teams wants to stand there and do a fancy yet quaint little dance, then so be it. I enjoyed Rod Macqueen's tact. Make the Wallabies wear their tracksuits and then spend a few minutes getting ready after it while the All Blacks huff and puff after doing another vigorous hokey-pokey. Seemd to work very well for the team of that era.

What I don't like is the IRB edict that states that opposition teams must stand a certain distance from it and not advance on the halfway line. The Aussie women's team was fined $2000 for advancing on the NZ women's team haka. Now THAT is precious.

I agree. Though i think there still needs to be some sort of provison in place. If the AB's are doing the Haka, I don't think the opposing team should be allowed to get right in their face...but blowing kisses (ala Sam Scott Young) should be encouraged.
 

Thomas

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Yep. You certainly can't say that the AB's don't use the haka to fire themselves up. That is obvious. I loved it when Sam Scott Young blew kisses and winked at the AB's. I also loved it when the Irish marched up to them. That is some good theatre.
 

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Or Campo ignoring it completely and practicing kicking etc being his own line.
 

Te Kaha

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Yep. You certainly can't say that the AB's don't use the haka to fire themselves up. That is obvious. I loved it when Sam Scott Young blew kisses and winked at the AB's. I also loved it when the Irish marched up to them. That is some good theatre.

it must be noted that it was no one from NZ who stated you couldnt advance on the Haka... in fact you CAN advance on it... you just cant , according to the IRB, pass the 10 metre mark.. you can always do what the Wannabies did at Athletic park and go and run your drills in the corner... look what happened there...

And its always funny that its the Haka and not the cibi or sivi tau that is mentioned... all though Aussie did lose to Samoa.. so maybe there IS something to it...
 

Thomas

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I know it isn't anyone from NZ but I just find it pathetic that they can't advance up to the halfway. Why not?

It's all good theatre.
 

Te Kaha

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I know it isn't anyone from NZ but I just find it pathetic that they can't advance up to the halfway. Why not?

It's all good theatre.

Probably because one day it would have ended up as a brawl!!! .. i know it almost did once between Hewitt and Cockeral...
 

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Usually the Aussies go on about Ritchie being a cheat... or the All Blacks are protected...

But now they are following the English and want the Haka banned???

Grow some balls Aussie...

http://www.foxsports.com.au/rugby/t...n-the-rugby-club/story-fn5k35do-1226113516220

The All Blacks should not be allowed to perform the haka before rugby union matches because it gives the New Zealand team "an unfair physical advantage" over their rivals, Fox Sports commentator Greg Martin says.

"They get an unfair physical advantage," Martin said on The Rugby Club. "The whole game of rugby is about male dominance over another man, and they're there yelling and screaming and threatening and you've got to sit there and go: 'Umm, this'll be finished soon.'"
"What's so good about it?"
The haka is a traditional Maori dance, and war haka were performed originally by warriors before a battle to proclaim their strength and prowess in order to intimidate the opposition.Today, haka represent an integral part of New Zealand culture and they are performed at official welcome ceremonies for distinguished visitors or foreign dignitaries. Thousands of haka are performed by tribes and cultural groups in New Zealand. Countless New Zealand sporting teams perform a pre-match haka - the Kiwis (rugby league), the Tall Blacks (men's basketball), the Ice Blacks (men's ice hockey), and even the national lacrosse team - but the dance, in particularly the ka mate haka, is synonymous with the All Blacks.
The New Zealand National Rugby Union adopted the haka in 1906 since when the national rugby union team has performed a version before every Test it has played.
The All Blacks controversially introduced a new haka in 2005, kapa o pango, the "throat-slitting" dance they performed before the Bledisloe Cup Test against the Wallabies in Auckland on Saturday.


Kapa o pango features an extended and aggressive introduction by the leader of the haka - halfback Piri Weepu led the haka in Auckland. The haka is highlighted by a more aggressive climax - a drawing of the thumb down the throat, the action directed at the opposition.
The words to kapa o pango are more specific than ka mate to the All Blacks, and it is reserved for "special occasions".
The All Blacks are believed to have performed kapa o pango in Auckland because of a perceived lack of pre-match respect from the Wallabies.
New Zealand certainly dominated the Wallabies in Auckland - physically and mentally - winning the opening Bledisloe Cup Test of the season 30-14.
"If you want to go see entertainment go to the theatre," Martin said of the haka, which many rugby fans around the world love to watch.

"That's what it is; it's singing and dancing."
John Smit, captain of the Springboks who faced the debut kapa o pango in Dunedinsaid after that Test: "To stand there and watch it for the first time was a privilege."
But kapo o pango has been controversial throughout its short history, with former London Daily Telegraph columnist Mick Cleary criticising it as "unmistakably provocative".
And France coach Bernard Laporte, in 2006, went so far as to advise the All Blacks against performing kapa o pango during their tour of France, saying "it's no good for the promotion of our sport".
The All Blacks are not the only international rugby union to perform a pre-match war dance.
Tonga perform the kailao, Fiji perform the cibi and Samoa perform manu siva tau.
Samoa originally performed the traditional 'ma'ulu'ulu moa' on tour, but they adopted the manu war chant before Rugby World Cup 1991 because they considered it to be more aggressive and effective in psyching up the players.

Firstly its not "they"

Greg Martin does not represent all of Australia, its just his opinion.

They have very right to perform the Haka, just as their opponents have every right to ignore them.
 

Te Kaha

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Firstly its not "they"

Greg Martin does not represent all of Australia, its just his opinion.

They have very right to perform the Haka, just as their opponents have every right to ignore them.

But others agree... so it can still be "they"... and besides.. its a much bettr dig when "they" is used!
 

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Any of you kiwis know if the Haka is of Maori heritage or Kiwi heratige ?
 

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But others agree... so it can still be "they"... and besides.. its a much bettr dig when "they" is used!

lol, fair enough

dont see what all the fuss is about myself, Kiwis aren't the only people with a Haka

I've seen two Rugby teams form other Polynesian countries do their own versions of their Haka before a game and resulted in an all in brawl before the game started, saw it on Youtube
 

Te Kaha

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lol, fair enough

dont see what all the fuss is about myself, Kiwis aren't the only people with a Haka

I've seen two Rugby teams form other Polynesian countries do their own versions of their Haka before a game and resulted in an all in brawl before the game started, saw it on Youtube

Which is why, i imagine, the IRN prevent teams getting too close these days...

And to be a pedant... the "Haka" is only an NZ thing, being a Maori word... the cibi, sivi tau et all are not "Haka"
 
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The best 'Haka' I've ever seen was performed by the Samoan team a month ago when they beat the Wallabies up. It was awesome. Anyone have a link for it? I haven't been able to find it anywhere yet.
 
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He's right though. If Teams aren't allowed to properly front the Haka -- Which they aren't, NZRU made sure a French like confrontation is banned for this World Cup -- then they shouldn't be allowed to perform it fullstop.

I don't mind it in League, but In Rugby it should be banned as they've made response to the Haka illegal.
 

Te Kaha

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He's right though. If Teams aren't allowed to properly front the Haka -- Which they aren't, NZRU made sure a French like confrontation is banned for this World Cup -- then they shouldn't be allowed to perform it fullstop.

I don't mind it in League, but In Rugby it should be banned as they've made response to the Haka illegal.

Stop talking bullshit.... the NZRU did no such thing.
 
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