Sharks fume as MP deserts project

[R2Coupe]

its horses for courses but people opposing the development for their own greed is just poor form... once upon a time in the past im sure they were afforded an opportinuty to build or buy, why deny this opportunity for others, anybody would think the sharks are proposing strip clubs and whore houses.

As opposed to the proponents who are spruiking it for their own greed. And that's not poor form?

 

[R2Coupe]

God sorted that out because it's on a tidal bay. There is no f**king flood plain.

The site is a flood plain. You not only have to consider the impact on the proposed development itself but whether the propsal may alter the flood pattern to impact on Woolooware and North Caringbah.

 

[rednblack]

Pros:
More employment
New medical facility
More affordable housing in Sydney
Stability for the Cronulla Leagues and Football Clubs
Benefit to local community groups

Cons:
More traffic on Captain Cook Dr
1km from the nearest railway station

There are more pros to this development then there are cons.

Pardon my ignorance, and please accept this as a legitimate question...

Has any evidence actually been offered to say that the new apartments will actually be affordable?

I know that a few years back when I lived in Epping there was a 10 story retail/residential complex built. The average house price in the area it the time was around $600k. These new apartments STARTED at $550k, going up well past $1.2m. That hardly says "affordable housing" in my books. The developer is obviously going to want maximum value for his investment, and these days that usually means pokey little shoe boxes, or exclusive housing for the well-to-do. Another example from the area is the old boral quarry site in Eastwood, where townhouses were show-horned in and were significantly overpriced for their size and location. The end result - most are still vacant, years later.

Has anyone got word of what quality the apartments will be, and how much they expect to sell each one for? The body corporate of the retail section of the development will also need to show that they are keen to have 100% tenancy as well, because if half the shops are empty due to high rental overheads, it won't be long before it becomes a ghost town.

 

[R2Coupe]

Reality check.
Out of character with the neighbouring suburbs:lol::lol:High rise Caringbah high rise Cronulla,high rise Miranda/Gymea/Kirrawee/Sutherland,hardly any built with the environment/traffic/or ambience in mind.
Factories near clubhouse and on the edge of the mangroves.Wanda sandhills completely denuded by mining.Sand trucks with double bogies using the CC Drive regularly .Petrol station opposite school near mangroves.Caltex Oil Refinery and desal plant and other factories there.The bleeding shire was tainted decades ago ,before any Sharks development proposal.
Yet the anti development mob rears its head,and were nowhere to be seen years ago in any numbers:hypocrits.

Cronulla shopping centre absolutely chockers,chasing a parking spot,is like trying to get a date with Liz Hurley.
Local businesses !!! A supermarket to be built where the nearest is Caringbah shopping centre,medical facilities sorely needed,entertainment place for kids sorely needed.Improvement to the mangrove area ,sorely needed.
And affordable quality accommodation sorely neede,plus jobs for our kids.
Many of the small local shops derive benefit from the fans who attend games during the day matches and the juniors.They lose this they lose the patronage.
I live at Caringbah and have done so for years and prior to that Cronulla,before Speakman even knew what a politician looked like.I am no Jonny come lately.

The scale of the development is the issue and Speakman is not the only politician and local government rep. objecting to the proposal.

As far as I am aware, there are four supermarkets in Caringbah alone and another very close next to Taren Pt pub.

And if you think any of the units will be affordable, you are delusional.

It is the first time I have ever known mangroves to be improved by building 8 great towers and a retail facility immediately adjacent to them.

My wife and I live in Caringbah and have done so for many years. What that means is we are entitled to have our say and we are "no jonny come latelys".

 

[Ausguy]

As opposed to the proponents who are spruiking it for their own greed. And that's not poor form?

Absolutely not, the people who are supporting it have pointed out the community benefits numerous time sin this thread and the sharks froum thread.

Jobs creation, shops and services, an improved club for the community, housing... it goes on. The 'against' crew in the overwhelming majority are trivial with their stance.... traffic and walking to the station is all i hear. Oh and flooding?

If people got off their butts and looked for the answers that are available from the consortium or the info website they may spend less time on forums spreading ridiculous claims.

 

[R2Coupe]

Yes you are. You have not mentioned 1 benefit this development will have... do you believe there are any?

My belief is if this can be scaled down to say 6 storeys stepped back from the Bay and it will save the Sharks, saving the Sharks will be the benefit.

 

[Russell Crowe's Band]

well.

when theres global warming...sydney will be flooded anyway so.

whatever.

 

[Eion]

The site is a flood plain. You not only have to consider the impact on the proposed development itself but whether the propsal may alter the flood pattern to impact on Woolooware and North Caringbah.

Tital inundation is the only issue, like everywhere the ocean meets the land. Maybe we don't need to worry about this carbon tax to stop rising sea levels, we just need to stop this development.

 

[Russell Crowe's Band]

My belief is if this can be scaled down to say 6 storeys stepped back from the Bay and it will save the Sharks, saving the Sharks will be the benefit.

the current deal with the consortium is for the 10 million up front as a trade for total rights of the first 314 dwellings and the majority share of the remaining built.

the consortium would likely want to pay less for less housing. this would then need to be renegotiated with the bank and they could likely say no to that..ending the club and then the land would be sold off to whoever buys it. we need the upfront injection to appease our lenders. if we were to get half the money we were due to a scale back..it wouldnt suprise me if the bank pulled up stumps.

also at a certain point the developer may pull the pin on a reworked development as it wouldnt be worth their while financially to go ahead. the return wouldnt justify a plan of lesser housing/retail etc.

 

[R2Coupe]

Absolutely not, the people who are supporting it have pointed out the community benefits numerous time sin this thread and the sharks froum thread.

Jobs creation, shops and services, an improved club for the community, housing... it goes on. The 'against' crew in the overwhelming majority are trivial with their stance.... traffic and walking to the station is all i hear. Oh and flooding?

If people got off their butts and looked for the answers that are available from the consortium or the info website they may spend less time on forums spreading ridiculous claims.

Hardly. I say the survival of small businesses in established areas is a huge issue. The impact on them should this proposal get up is deeply worrying as a long term resident of Caringbah.

The fact the site is a floodplain, adjacent to RAMSAR wetlands, aquatic reserve, Towra Point and has severe limitations in terms of accessibility are very important issues which need to be considered.

It is also not a good look when Mr Irvine attacks politicians and local government who adopt a quite reasonable approach of seeking a more moderate development.

 

[carcharias]

R2coupe obviously doesn't do the grocery shopping.

 

[jc155776]

My belief is if this can be scaled down to say 6 storeys stepped back from the Bay and it will save the Sharks, saving the Sharks will be the benefit.

6 stores makes the development Unattractive as an Investment which means it won't happen. If you had been to the info nights you might know this.

 

[jc155776]

Hardly. I say the survival of small businesses in established areas is a huge issue. The impact on them should this proposal get up is deeply worrying as a long term resident of Caringbah.

The fact the site is a floodplain, adjacent to RAMSAR wetlands, aquatic reserve, Towra Point and has severe limitations in terms of accessibility are very important issues which need to be considered.

It is also not a good look when Mr Irvine attacks politicians and local government who adopt a quite reasonable approach of seeking a more moderate development.

An increase in business competition is no grounds for saying no. Such reasoning is anti competitive and illegal if the planning dept use it in a decisions.

The are is not a flood plain. It isn't near a river you idiot! Stop spotting. George capsis lies. Flood Plain? Hahahaha.

 

[R2Coupe]

If the Sharks' financial position is so poor that it cannot make a profit from six storey development on the Bay, then perhaps it is time to pull up stumps.

 

[Eion]

R2coupe obviously doesn't do the grocery shopping.

I just flatly refuse to try to park at caringbah woolies. I have to slum it at coles with the prossies.

 

[Ausguy]

Hardly. I say the survival of small businesses in established areas is a huge issue. The impact on them should this proposal get up is deeply worrying as a long term resident of Caringbah.

The fact the site is a floodplain, adjacent to RAMSAR wetlands, aquatic reserve, Towra Point and has severe limitations in terms of accessibility are very important issues which need to be considered.

It is also not a good look when Mr Irvine attacks politicians and local government who adopt a quite reasonable approach of seeking a more moderate development.

Severe limitations in terms of accessibility? Please explain?

Yeah those politicians sure acted in a professional manner thats for certain.

DI was actually correct in everything he said and if you cant take that on one the chin then you are one of those who wont change their mind or listen to anything that is fact.

Now 4th time lucky... did you go to any information evenings? afterall you live so close.

 

[Doug2234]

but how do local residents who don't necessarily support the Sharks feel about it?

whats the go with the parking situation for games if approved?

 

[Perth Red]

I thought I saw fish jumping in the Red's home ground during that game this year. We could always go there for food.

Perth could do with more reservoirs rather than more deslination! Maybe nib is the answer?

 

[taipan]

Caringbah high rise is all within like 150m of a train station and even then is only about 8 stories. High rise Miranda is really the same, all within that central area around the shops and station. Gymea? Where at Gymea. Theres maybe some 3 stories on the road behind the shops, 100m from a train station but certainly no 16 stories. Same with Kirrawee and then Sutherland is a huge train station and most units are less than 500m away. Again, tallest is probably 4 stories high, nothing near this 16 units.

I understand your whole progress shit, but you want to build 16 stories out in the middle of bum f**k no where. The only places to live within 2km of this place are houses with your big back yard.

The High rises (the stories vary in each area),but they are high density and people who live their have cars.are near the shopping centres adding further to congestion.Try getting a parking spot at Miranda,Caringbah.There are units at Gymea,near the shopping centre ,of course. A licensed club ,that adds further to congestion.I never suggested they were 16 stories.

My point is simply to argue congestion has been created in other areas in the shire well before this current proposal,and with little thought given to traffic congestion or the environment.
Please advise me how Northies(and I like the place for a coldie) contributes to the environment and traffic flow.
All the more reason to build higher ,when the development is well away from other housing and does not interfer with views or create noise,near the other housing.
The Green Hills development of over 200 houses,is being built in the middle of b...uck nowhere:the former Cronulla sand dunes or what's left of them..

 

[newman]

whats the go with the parking situation for games if approved?

Park and Ride system. And make do with the surrounding areas like you have to for all other suburban grounds.