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Mr Angry

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I have always rated Mullen, he has yet to show on a regular basis.

With Boyd at 2nd 5/8 Kidley wiil a menace around the ruck.

I reckon it is why Wes, Tahu beat Sau, Knights are coming up the middle, support will be needed.
 

aqua_duck

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Mullen is only rated by knights fans and Giddley is not a halfbacks arsehole
Thats as of right here and now. Wayne Bennett is the greatest RL coach of all time imo and if anyone can get consistant production out of those two its him, but for mine, the spine is lacking, Bedsy was good by is old now and im not sure he's still got it but he'll do for now

I think they are lacking big time in the halves, but that could change if bennett pulls a soward on Mullen who has plenty of talent but has never gotten close to living up the hype

I think you'll find not even knights fans are big on Jarrod Mullen. The bloke has talent, no one can really deny that and if you break down the different aspects of his game (kicking game, running game, passing game, defence, etc) there's no real big deficiencies, he just can't seem to put it all together and he can't control a game. I think what doesn't help him also is that he also seems to pick up little nagging injuries here and there, nothing major but the kind of injuries that keep you out for a week or 2 which obviously doesn't allow him to garner any rhythm and momentum. Also it doesn't help when you're playing behind a pack that includes legends like Antonio Kaufusi, Daniel Tolar and Cameron Ciraldo.
In regards to Gidley, I've personally not been a fan him in the halves as he tries to do too much and overplays his hand, kind of a case of his fitness level being ahead of his skill level. In the past when he's played in the halves he's had either Shannon McDonnell or Wes Naiqama at fullback, McDonnell is obviously a dud and whilst Wes does an adequate job he isn't the playmaking type of fullback, so I'm obviously hoping the inclusion of Darius Boyd and Bennett's more structured style of play can kind of help Gidley not try to do too much.
 

aqua_duck

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Mullen never deserved the hype in the first place.

Joey was pinging off his melon when Mullen came through, so everything looked f**king AWESOME to him.

Mullen has never done anything, apart from kick a FG in a semi instead of Joey 6 years ago.

WOW!! Give him a rep jumper!

That's just ignorant. I've watched pretty much every game Mullen has ever played in 1st grade and to say he's never done anything is ridiculous. His problem is putting it all together and most people know that.
 

Ronnie Dobbs

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That's just ignorant. I've watched pretty much every game Mullen has ever played in 1st grade and to say he's never done anything is ridiculous. His problem is putting it all together and most people know that.

Fair enough mate. You would know better than me without doubt.

His constant promotion by Knights players in the media put me off him in a big way. I don't think its done him one ounce of good.

It shits me to see him not to have developed as a player at all in 5 years, yet his names still bandied about at rep time.

I don't care that he can kick the ball off the side of his foot or throw a cut out pass. He's weak mentally and never thinks out a set.

I'm sure the frustration is x 10000000 for Knights fans.

Just control the game and kick to the corners kid. Everything will come off that. Why hasn't he been told this before? Because he's Joey's love child?

Goes without saying that this is a massive year for him. He'll always have a career, but if he's EVER going to live up to at least some semblance of the rating he's always been given, then 2012 has to be a braekout year for him.

Bennett is obviously a king maker. I just doubt that Mullen is as good as has always been touted. Just my opinion.

With a good teacher, he's got the best chance ever to prove the doubters wrong.

And good luck to him.
 

ethan tremblay

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1. Darius Boyd
2. James McManus
3. Wes Naiqama
4. Timana Tahu
5. Akuila Uate
6. Kurt Gidley
7. Jarrod Mullen
8. Kade Snowden
9. Danny Buderus
10. Adam Cuthbertson
11. Chris Houston
12. Zeb Taia
13. Neville Costigan
14. Matt Hilder
15. Richie Fa’aoso
16. Joel Edwards
17. Alex McKinnon


http://www.newcastleknights.com.au/...&id=47748&title=17-man-team-named-for-round-1
i would have fa'aoso switch with cuthberston he is no front rower!!

im not overly fussed on your backrow or centers, so we are gonna find out if he really is the master coach! because goin on that team there is only a couple of diffrences!.. CROWD WILL get the knights home round 1
 

Raider_69

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I think you'll find not even knights fans are big on Jarrod Mullen. The bloke has talent, no one can really deny that and if you break down the different aspects of his game (kicking game, running game, passing game, defence, etc) there's no real big deficiencies, he just can't seem to put it all together and he can't control a game. I think what doesn't help him also is that he also seems to pick up little nagging injuries here and there, nothing major but the kind of injuries that keep you out for a week or 2 which obviously doesn't allow him to garner any rhythm and momentum. Also it doesn't help when you're playing behind a pack that includes legends like Antonio Kaufusi, Daniel Tolar and Cameron Ciraldo.
In regards to Gidley, I've personally not been a fan him in the halves as he tries to do too much and overplays his hand, kind of a case of his fitness level being ahead of his skill level. In the past when he's played in the halves he's had either Shannon McDonnell or Wes Naiqama at fullback, McDonnell is obviously a dud and whilst Wes does an adequate job he isn't the playmaking type of fullback, so I'm obviously hoping the inclusion of Darius Boyd and Bennett's more structured style of play can kind of help Gidley not try to do too much.

far more detailed than i made it, but basically exactly my thoughts. Which is why i think the knights still need to find at least one elite half (of which until i see the bennett magic work on mullen or giddley) to contender and currently i dont see it in the knights team.

As said, im not writing them off because if anyone can turn mullen from a disappointing talent to a top line half, its him. But at present he's not a shade on his talent and i dont think he's ever going to get there. Bennett factor and all, he just doesnt have it in him IMHO.
 

Ronnie Dobbs

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far more detailed than i made it, but basically exactly my thoughts. Which is why i think the knights still need to find at least one elite half (of which until i see the bennett magic work on mullen or giddley) to contender and currently i dont see it in the knights team.

As said, im not writing them off because if anyone can turn mullen from a disappointing talent to a top line half, its him. But at present he's not a shade on his talent and i dont think he's ever going to get there. Bennett factor and all, he just doesnt have it in him IMHO.

Same here.
 

mongoose

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Mullen has more potential than Soward imo. If Bennet can get him to play consistently good football the Knights will go as good as the Dragons did.
 

Raider_69

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I will say, all that considered i am itching for the knigths v dragons game though, almost shate my pants when i saw it was being played live on Channel Nein.
I cant get fox in my apartment so had resigned myself to not seeing a game until friday night.

one of the more interesting things this season is how the knights will go in the tinkler-bennett era
 

Noa

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Ive always been a big Mullen fan, has all the skills you want in a top class 7 (he's not a 6 imo). If he can listen to Bennett and play the percentages better he'll reach his potential.
 

nrlnrl

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Ive always been a big Mullen fan, has all the skills you want in a top class 7 (he's not a 6 imo). If he can listen to Bennett and play the percentages better he'll reach his potential.

no doubting his ability, but seems to be injury prone
 
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Ive always been a big Mullen fan, has all the skills you want in a top class 7 (he's not a 6 imo). If he can listen to Bennett and play the percentages better he'll reach his potential.

There's a lot of similarities between him and a 2008 Soward. The talent is certainly there, but the self belief and confidence isn't. If Bennett can do with Mullen what he did with Soward he may finally start to deliver on his potential. You don't make your NRL debut at 17 if you are no good.
 

anjado

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Mullen should be fine but he is sort of in the John Sutton absolute last chance territory if he doesn't improve and show consistency under Bennett he never will. Bennett got the best out of Soward and Mullen has more of an upside in terms of potential then Soward had.

Gidley and Hornby are both players of pretty similar ability just one has been vastly overrated over the other.

I think the Knights biggest worry is at prop if they have released Tuimavave, they will be relying very much on Snowden who is talented but not an elite front rower yet. I think the pack is one of the weaker ones in the NRL it is still decent just not as good as other sides. I think Sau will be back in the side soon he has excellent potential.
 

kal83

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Definately not a top 4 team on paper by the looks. All comes down to Bennett. Think they will I
Improve this year under his tutelage and have a better tilt at it next year. Dragons had a better squad when he took over and took him 2 years but they were minor premiers first year so who knows.I see
them improving this year but no title.
 

aqua_duck

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I think the Knights biggest worry is at prop if they have released Tuimavave, they will be relying very much on Snowden who is talented but not an elite front rower yet. I think the pack is one of the weaker ones in the NRL it is still decent just not as good as other sides. I think Sau will be back in the side soon he has excellent potential.

Tuimavave was a solid contributor but nothing special, he was made to look better by the fact that Antonio Kaufusi was an oxygen thief. I think by mid year quite a few people will be talking about Zane Tetevano.
In 2010 the dragons won it with a prop rotation of Weyman (playing on one leg), Costigan, Saffy, and Merrin. I'd definitely put Snowden in the same class as Weyman and I'd consider Fa'aoso and Cuthbertson to be atleast the equal of Saffy and Merrin.
 

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Disagree. Merrin is much better than either of those players.

I honestly think there's just too many question marks to rate the Knights that highly this year. Bennett is a fantastic coach, but his influence is being overstated by media, fans, everyone.

Rubbish halves. As stated in this thread, Mullen has potential. It's about time he turned that into performance. Remember how everyone at the Knights used to say Mullen's good but Luke Walsh is better? I'd argue that Walsh has been more impressive in first grade than Mullen. And I don't rate Walsh at all.

Oh and Gidley is no half. Everyone knows that. He's been rubbish there for the Knights and rubbish there for NSW. He's a good fullback, a serviceable hooker, and that's it.

Talking about hooker, there have to be questions about how far Buderus's old legs wil take him. I thought he was very poor in his last season in the NRL. I can't believe De Gois was let go for him, Knights legend or not.

Then there's the forwards. I just feel they're one quality prop short. I've heard reports that Snowden has a dodgy back, is that true? Regardless, the importance of a quality prop rotation cannot be understated. Snowden is a great player, but that's where it ends. Cuthbertson is decent, but he's best utilised as a bench player against tiring legs. I don't rate him as a starter at all, but who would you put in his place? I can't think of anyone. There may be some young talent knocking down the door, but prop is probably the hardest position for a debutant, and it's not normally until their second or third year that we start to see some consistently good football from them.

If I were to let my anti-Knights bias get the better of me, I'd declare them wooden spooners. Bias aside, they're not (I think Penrith will be), but I still dont think they'll make the 8. I see them building towards something though, and by strengthening a couple of positions they're lacking (particularly the spine) I can see them peaking for a real challenge in 2014.
 

aqua_duck

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If we can make the 8 with the amount of injuries and the comparative lack of resources we had last year then it's ridiculous to think we'll go backwards this year. Only Chris Houston was able to play ever game for us last year. Guys like Ciraldo, Tolar and Kaufusi were getting picked everyweek just because we had no one else.
Also DeGois has been ordinary the last 2 seasons, he killed it in 09 but has been cursed with injuries ever since.
 
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