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Future Halves/Hooker

COACH STERLING

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Halving watched our team roll around this year i'm non the wiser as to what the future should hold for the Eels in the halves and at hooker. Before we can conjure any major signings I believe we need to get this part right otherwise we can go and throw money on the likes of Lewis, Jeremy Smith, and Izzy but it will all go to waste.

I see some potential and more importantly consistency with young Kelly and Nathan Smith however, I have always maintained the team dynamics and our spine have never really gelled. The biggest dilemma surrounds Sandow. Everyone expected him to come good but I cannot see that happening. If there is a place for Sandow at Parra it may well be at five eight. Sandow is not the type of player that can steer a team around the park but rather one who can plays what's in front of him. I believe his best position should be 5/8. Having said this, I've got my crystal ball out and can see the likes of Barba and Hopoate coming through. Both players are versatile yet suited best inthe fullback position best.

This leaves Jarryd Hayne, our best player and a player who most regard as a future 5/8. Hayne himself has admitted to eyeing out a role in the 5/8 position, and I myself can see this happening with the players I've mentioned coming through over the next 12 months or so. I don't like looking beyond this year, but given this year has been a write off and the writing is on the wall for next year, I'm willing to accept some short term pain for a premiership in 2014. So with Hayne potentially a future 5/8, our fullback position covered, I want to know what the general consensus is with Sandow and the halfback position.

Do we look at persisting with Kelly, who I think has a it of ability, do we look at offloading Sandow and buying a New halfback, or do we perserve with Sandow in the hope we can eventually make it work? Also, while Keating has probably had his best year at the club, I also think he's been a major factor with Sandow not performing in the early weeks. There's something about the way he picks the ball up out of dummy half and runs 2-3 meters before he decides what to do with it. Sandow needs direct balls off the ground from dummy half, giving him more time in the decision making role. So there you go, IMO the biggest problem with the makeup is still our halves and hooker positions. We need to get the team dynamics right with our spine, and then we can look at enforcing our other positions. Interesting to see what everyone else's thoughts are on this topic?
 

bartman

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Any spine needs decent game plans to train with as well.

For 2013... I don't know, maybe:
1. Hayne
6. Kelly
7. Sandow (Split halves under the current game plans don't make a difference who wears what jersey)
9. Keating
14. ????? (We are really one class bench play-maker short - Roberts isn't it, Smith doesn't look like it, and we're losing Maguire at season end. So we need to buy someone in, and then can maybe experiment with Keating or Sandow off the bench)

For 2014 (and with the potential for some different game plans) it looks more interesting....:
1. Hopoate - for the money we're paying him, he needs to be in the spine
6. Hayne - if he re-signs it'll be the stage in his career where he can make this shift
7. Sandow - he's signed and in the right environment we all know he has the ability
9. ????? - Perhaps whoever we buy in for next year as 14 above?
14. Kelly/Keating - both solid players who would be able to fill in during a game, or start in the case of injury or during rep season

Try as they all might, we won't make any decent impact with our spine imo without another purchase for next year/2014 and onwards. It's no one player's fault - not Sandow, not Hayne, not Keating, and not Roberts. We just haven't been able to recruit effectively to the spine as yet, but with the retirements/departures at the end of the year Kearney has been in a position to. Let's see who he can bring.... :sarcasm:
 

COACH STERLING

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Try as they all might, we won't make any decent impact with our spine imo without another purchase for next year/2014 and onwards. It's no one player's fault - not Sandow, not Hayne, not Keating, and not Roberts. We just haven't been able to recruit effectively to the spine as yet, but with the retirements/departures at the end of the year Kearney has been in a position to. Let's see who he can bring.... :sarcasm:

I don't think it's a matter of blaming anyone, I think it's more about getting the team dynamics right. For example, I bet you Sandow goes to the bulldogs next year he would kill it. Keating may excel at the bunnies and so on... Getting all the players to play a role and complement each other is the key. Either way I don't have an answer but will speculate and say 2014:

1. Hopoate
4. izzy
6. Hayne
7. Kelly/ new signing.
9. New signing
 

Eels Dude

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If you play with split halves like we're doing most of the time it matters very little as to who is wearing the 6 and who is wearing the 7. Sandow's definitely not the kind of player to organize the attack and even when he was playing at Souths it was Sutton playing 5'8th doing that. Even now Kelly appears more of a talker which is at least a positive. Sandow often plays more for himself than being a team player but it was nice to see him make a great break today which led to a try. Just a shame there hasn't been enough of it.
 

Ratchy

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I don't think it's a matter of blaming anyone

Get with the program It's easier just to heap all the blame on Kearney.

From what i saw tonight I would persist with Kelly/Sandow combo for now. I thought tonight was one of Sandows best games this season. They are a good foil with Kelly doing the kicking and organising and Sandow injecting himself with the big plays.
 

Chipmunk

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I think the spine is still one our biggest problems just as it has been for the last few seasons.

I have seen enough of the past 18 months with Kearney in charge to guarantee that if he is fit, Keating will always wear the 9 and from what I have also seen Kearney has no intention of him being anything other than a 80 minute player. So essentially with Kearney in the joint we are stuck with a Reserve Grade standard player in the 9.

We are paying Sandow too much money, for too long a period and he is in too poor form at the moment for any other club to bother taking over his contract. We are also paying him too much to have him playing anywhere else other than in the 6 or 7 in the NRL team. At this stage Sandow will be either the 6 or the 7 until the end of 2015 and really I dont think there is much point given the circumstances to argue anything different.

Hayne is the be all and end all of the team. He will miss 3 games a year through Origin and is too injury prone and will miss another 5 a year through injury. So he wll miss 1/3rd of the season every year whilst he remains at the Club. I think it would be a disgrace and a travesty if he left the Club but I wouldnt be totally surprised if he and Hopoate dont get to play in the same Parra team.

The only real opening in this team is the 6. I think Kearney went for a punt on Roberts and that hasnt worked. His short input tonight was fairly inept and he will be back to Wenty for good pretty quick. We shouldve kept Robson and probably played Sandow as a more traditional 6. I know hindsight is always good, but when you think about it we let a player go who had played two full season of first grade in Robson for a player that had spent the better party of two seasons in the NSW Cup...probably not the smartest buy.

It would shock me given the issues above that in 2013 if Kearney remains at the Club that barring injury Hayne, Kelly, Sandow and Keating will the spine
 
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COACH STERLING

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Kelly and Sandow are obvious selections for the rest of his year. I'm more concerned with next year and beyond.
 

emjaycee

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Why get hung up on this. The only real contentious issue for the spine next year is 9. Hayne, Kelly, Sandow will stay in 1, 6, 7.

And Roberts was bought as a stop gap for 2012. On stop gap money.
 

Ratchy

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They've played less than 5 games together, I think the rest of year will give more of an indication how it will work out as Luke Kelly is still finding his feet in the top grade.

The bigger issue imo is getting a foward pack that isn't constantly on the back foot in attack and defence. Getting that right i'm sure the halves will look much better with more time on their hands and not a defensive line set and moving up at speed. Week in week out they are getting dominated around the rucks and the collision. There isn't a player in the current forward pack or bench who would make a current contenders team. Sadly that includes Hindy who has been one of the greatest forwards ever for Parra but his body has given away on him.
 

Poupou Escobar

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Sandow is not the type of player that can steer a team around the park but rather one who can plays what's in front of him. I believe his best position should be 5/8.

Sandow is already playing on the left side of split halves. When Paulo comes onto the field he spends as much time at first receiver as anyone else. He essentially plays as the 'middle half'.
 

Chipmunk

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Why get hung up on this. The only real contentious issue for the spine next year is 9. Hayne, Kelly, Sandow will stay in 1, 6, 7.

And Roberts was bought as a stop gap for 2012. On stop gap money.

I cannot see the 9 being a contentious issue whilst Kearney is the coach. Matt Keating if fit will be the 9 for 80 minutes. End of story.
 

Wally21

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They've played less than 5 games together, I think the rest of year will give more of an indication how it will work out as Luke Kelly is still finding his feet in the top grade.

The bigger issue imo is getting a foward pack that isn't constantly on the back foot in attack and defence. Getting that right i'm sure the halves will look much better with more time on their hands and not a defensive line set and moving up at speed. Week in week out they are getting dominated around the rucks and the collision. There isn't a player in the current forward pack or bench who would make a current contenders team. Sadly that includes Hindy who has been one of the greatest forwards ever for Parra but his body has given away on him.

Couldn't agree more. tautai should not be anywhere near first grade, Mannah is trying hard and the only one other than Fui bending the line. Allgood seems to me to have a touch of second year syndrome. doesn't matter who is in the spine, if they can't play off the momentum created by the forwards at the ruck, they will always struggle. what concerns me more is I don't see the two Manly signings making any difference to this from what I've seen. I hope I'm wrong
 

COACH STERLING

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Couldn't agree more. tautai should not be anywhere near first grade, Mannah is trying hard and the only one other than Fui bending the line. Allgood seems to me to have a touch of second year syndrome. doesn't matter who is in the spine, if they can't play off the momentum created by the forwards at the ruck, they will always struggle. what concerns me more is I don't see the two Manly signings making any difference to this from what I've seen. I hope I'm wrong

On paper with our loses and gains we are going backwards. Future looks bright :crazy:
 

hineyrulz

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I think Kelly has been pretty good for us so far, and Nathan Smith looks pretty handy as well.


Next year i can see a spine of

1- Hayne
6 - Kelly
7 - Sandow
9 - Keating
14 - N Smith

We just need the forwards to win the ruck at least once.
 

Joshuatheeel

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I think the spine is still one our biggest problems just as it has been for the last few seasons.

I have seen enough of the past 18 months with Kearney in charge to guarantee that if he is fit, Keating will always wear the 9 and from what I have also seen Kearney has no intention of him being anything other than a 80 minute player. So essentially with Kearney in the joint we are stuck with a Reserve Grade standard player in the 9.

We are paying Sandow too much money, for too long a period and he is in too poor form at the moment for any other club to bother taking over his contract. We are also paying him too much to have him playing anywhere else other than in the 6 or 7 in the NRL team. At this stage Sandow will be either the 6 or the 7 until the end of 2015 and really I dont think there is much point given the circumstances to argue anything different.

Hayne is the be all and end all of the team. He will miss 3 games a year through Origin and is too injury prone and will miss another 5 a year through injury. So he wll miss 1/3rd of the season every year whilst he remains at the Club. I think it would be a disgrace and a travesty if he left the Club but I wouldnt be totally surprised if he and Hopoate dont get to play in the same Parra team.

The only real opening in this team is the 6. I think Kearney went for a punt on Roberts and that hasnt worked. His short input tonight was fairly inept and he will be back to Wenty for good pretty quick. We shouldve kept Robson and probably played Sandow as a more traditional 6. I know hindsight is always good, but when you think about it we let a player go who had played two full season of first grade in Robson for a player that had spent the better party of two seasons in the NSW Cup...probably not the smartest buy.

It would shock me given the issues above that in 2013 if Kearney remains at the Club that barring injury Hayne, Kelly, Sandow and Keating will the spine

We didn't let robson go he was offered a new contract with the eels but took to long to resign so we had look else and we withdraw the offer
 

Joshuatheeel

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The spine of hayne , Kelly and sandow is good enough - potentially the best since our golden years. Kelly looks good has a good skill set and confident enough to control the game while sandow and hayne can put on the brilliant plays.

The question is can our coach put a game plan together which suits the spine? I have doubts
 

forestfan

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I think the spine is still one our biggest problems just as it has been for the last few seasons.

I have seen enough of the past 18 months with Kearney in charge to guarantee that if he is fit, Keating will always wear the 9 and from what I have also seen Kearney has no intention of him being anything other than a 80 minute player. So essentially with Kearney in the joint we are stuck with a Reserve Grade standard player in the 9.

We are paying Sandow too much money, for too long a period and he is in too poor form at the moment for any other club to bother taking over his contract. We are also paying him too much to have him playing anywhere else other than in the 6 or 7 in the NRL team. At this stage Sandow will be either the 6 or the 7 until the end of 2015 and really I dont think there is much point given the circumstances to argue anything different.

Hayne is the be all and end all of the team. He will miss 3 games a year through Origin and is too injury prone and will miss another 5 a year through injury. So he wll miss 1/3rd of the season every year whilst he remains at the Club. I think it would be a disgrace and a travesty if he left the Club but I wouldnt be totally surprised if he and Hopoate dont get to play in the same Parra team.

The only real opening in this team is the 6. I think Kearney went for a punt on Roberts and that hasnt worked. His short input tonight was fairly inept and he will be back to Wenty for good pretty quick. We shouldve kept Robson and probably played Sandow as a more traditional 6. I know hindsight is always good, but when you think about it we let a player go who had played two full season of first grade in Robson for a player that had spent the better party of two seasons in the NSW Cup...probably not the smartest buy.

It would shock me given the issues above that in 2013 if Kearney remains at the Club that barring injury Hayne, Kelly, Sandow and Keating will the spine

I think thats harsh on hayne the tag injury prone...since 2009 I can remember only this year being the year were hes been out of the team for weeks on end

Dugan is injury prone
 
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I think Kelly has been pretty good for us so far, and Nathan Smith looks pretty handy as well.


Next year i can see a spine of

1- Hayne
6 - Kelly
7 - Sandow
9 - Keating
14 - N Smith

We just need the forwards to win the ruck at least once.

Apart from the no.1 that's spineless. Hooker is shit.
 

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