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Nathan Tinkler relinquishes ownership of the Newcastle Knights

t-ba

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If you really pressed me, I didn't like the consumerism and cleanliness of the place (though all developed States are very consumer based these days). That's just me though, if other people love the place, I've got no problem at all with that.

I've been to Barcelona too and I like that too.

Creepy isn't it :lol:.

I've been living in Asia for a while now and every time I fly into Singapore I feel like I'm in Gattaca or something. So sterile, so calm, so glass panelled.
 
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http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...-for-284-million/story-fndo2iwh-1226465031019

Tinkler group company facing fresh court action over alleged debts







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BEACHED: Nathan Tinkler. Source: The Daily Telegraph











ANOTHER local business owed money by Nathan Tinkler has come out of the woodwork.

Local consultancy and political lobbyist group SAS Consulting is owed $60,000 by Tinkler for services over the past 12 months.
A spokesman today said SAS performed lobbying work for his mining companies but had not been paid.
The group has not taken it to the courts at this stage and was still hoping payment would be made.
Meanwhile a local packaging company Mark Colin Packaging (Qld) Pty Ltd and associated group Promark Packaging Pty Ltd recently filed action in the Brisbane Supreme Court to try and recover $189,900 from Mr Tinkler's Buildev Group, among other parties, over a botched warehouse development.
Tinkler bought into Buildev in 2008 and said the Queensland dispute had absolutely nothing to do with him.

"This happened back in 2006 before Tinkler took over Buildev,'' a spokesman said.
"The entity involved is no longer trading and was de-registered some years ago.''
The spokesman said Mr Tinkler, who is currently in Singapore, had no further comment to make.
The Courier-Mail this morning carried the following story on Tinkler:
HAS the young businessman affectionately known as "the Whale" finally beached?
That was the question yesterday as new creditors came out of the woodwork trying to extract money owed by former Newcastle electrician turned mining entrepreneur Nathan Tinkler - a man who at his peak was worth a reported $1.1 billion.
Tinkler's extensive coal, property, rugby league and horseracing empire edged closer to the brink of collapse after Queensland coal explorer Blackwood confirmed it would pursue Tinkler in the courts for $28.4 million owed from a promised equity placement.
The giant Mirvac property group also confirmed yesterday that it was taking Tinkler's Buildev group to court to recover $17 million from a failed property deal over industrial land at Newcastle, which was to have been part of a failed coal shipping terminal.
At the same time there were calls yesterday for Tinkler cash from people associated with his racing empire, Patinack Farm, surrounding merchants near his stables in Queensland and his precious Newcastle Knights National Rugby League team.
Tinkler became the owner of the Knights last year, and was hailed as the club's financial saviour, with his dollars helping lure Wayne Bennett from the Dragons to coach the team.
Tinkler's Patinack Farms are believed to have run up hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of debts in Canungra and Beaudesert.
One business owner - who is owed thousands, but did not wish to be named because he still hoped to recover some of his money - described the situation as "a nightmare".
"It would go for three or four months without paying bills and then the business would shut his account and he would just go somewhere else and do it all again," said one local trader.
"When he first came in to town, everyone thought he was a hero and we were all going to get steady income out of him. But it has been a nightmare."
It is believed several contractors who worked on the Patinack Farms estate are still waiting to be paid months after finishing their work.
Patinack management did not return calls to The Courier-Mail yesterday. Tinkler was in Singapore and not returning calls to his mobile.
His Sydney spokesman Tim Allerton of City PR said he had "no comment to make" and doubted he would be saying anything further later this week.
His reluctance to talk comes as a growing number of investors, staff and creditors are becoming increasingly concerned about his financial credentials. Nathan Tinkler burst on to the Queensland corporate scene in 2008.
He made his money in 2007 when he and his father Les sold their Bowen Basin mines to Macarthur Coal for $275 million.
He floated his major company Aston Resources in August 2010, although the bourse debut was less than spectacular.
His major investment today is his 21 per cent stake in Whitehaven Coal, a stake that accounts for the bulk of his wealth but which has lost more than 40 per cent of its value since an April merger with Aston Resources and his private Boardwalk Resources.
He tried unsuccessfully to privatise Whitehaven in an ambitious $5.25 billion deal which never got off the ground. A slump in coal prices has also impacted on Tinkler who has substantial debts secured against his stake in Whitehaven stake.
"Everything is leveraged," one analyst said last night of his worsening plight.

Don't think this is going to end too well for the fat prick.
 

KempoKnight

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Tinkler's problem is that while he is rich, its on paper only. All his money is tied up in business' and investments and he seems to forget that while he may be a billionaire if he wants to be able to spend his money he needs to sell some of his investments or not spend beyond his current means. He has the assets, its just an issue of having the turned into cash.
In saying that these constant report are troubling from a knights supporters perspective.
 

docbrown

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As I posted on the Knights thread if he leaves before 31st Dec this year they get $20 million. After that they get $10 million.

So the worst case scenario was always:

* Tinkler owns the club for 2+ years
* The club has about $6 million of debts cleared
* The club gets $10 million
* The club is sold back for $1
* The Knights have to find a new ownership model

Mirvac have their own reasons for pursuing Tinkler. They've got their own debt problems to worry about.
 

sensesmaybenumbed

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Sounds like the Knights have found their Alan Bond doc.

If, that is, he has the cash to pay it out if he walks.
 

Cletus

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Tinkler's problem is that while he is rich, its on paper only. All his money is tied up in business' and investments and he seems to forget that while he may be a billionaire if he wants to be able to spend his money he needs to sell some of his investments or not spend beyond his current means. He has the assets, its just an issue of having the turned into cash.
In saying that these constant report are troubling from a knights supporters perspective.

Does he actually have the assets though? That last part of the article is a worry, if his shares are being used as collateral then he can't sell them and he's in a bit of trouble with the way the coal price is going. You'd think hell be ok but I've got no idea why he spent so much on Patinack farm. You're not a Dubai prince, just buy a couple of nags not 500 of them.
 
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docbrown

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Sounds like the Knights have found their Alan Bond doc.

If, that is, he has the cash to pay it out if he walks.

It's a bank guarantee.

If Tinkler fails to pay then the bank pays it instead.

Like I said, worst case we've basically gotten $16 million out of it.
 

PaddyBoy

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Best case scenario seems to be the Knights going back to being a community owned club with 10 mill in the bank.
 

Perth Red

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I would have thought best case scenario is tinkler pays his bills and continues to spend millions every year making the Knights the super club of nsw?
 

docbrown

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I would have thought best case scenario is tinkler pays his bills and continues to spend millions every year making the Knights the super club of nsw?

That is the best case and hopefully that's what happens.

I'm just putting some numbers into the argument to point out that the worst case isn't as bad as some might think it to be.
 

eozsmiles

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The Knights were burning up to a million a year before Nthan got there and since then they have seriously multiplied their spending ie coaches and staff. If Nathan walks, or falls, then that $10 million will be a nice pillow but only for a few years. The Knights will need to find another leader IF the tv rights deal doesn't toss enough extra coin their way.

Read in the paper the other day that Tinks is worth $658 million on paper and owes $643 million. It's in the Newcastle Herald, can't be bothered finding it and linking it.

Someone said that anyone that saves a club is cool and he did help out. But this situation is about the whole town he lives in and the valley. I have links to the Hunter and look past the future of the Knights with this whole drama. Like a bloke said in the article from September 5, when Patinack got going people thought they were on a steady income stream but instead they have spent all their time chasing the money. That is the feeling amongst many in that region from many different industries. And it's not like he is stringing out the bank or something, he's holding out small businesses for figures like $100,000. It's going close to breaking them. Wayne Bennett gets $100,000 a month, not everyone is pleased to see that while average novocastrians get shafted.

Can't help but laugh at the reaction of the Tinkler group to the airing of these stories. They consider the whole thing a beat up by Fairfax and a vendetta. 100 business come forward to say that they haven't been paid, the stock exchange paints a pretty clear picture, and the official Tinkler statement is pretty much to call BS on it. Classy.
 
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Who on earth would want to do business with this fat merkin anymore?

He has a long history of not paying people and it's only getting worse. Of course if he had the money I'm sure he would, but he doesn't.
 
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Rob Tew should be considered a GOD in newcastle for putting in that bank guarantee and buy back clause.

Remember everyone criticising him & the board for delaying the sale !? :lol: where are they now ?!
 
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Bank guarantee's are a wonderful thing. I wonder what Tink used as collateral against it?

The extra 10 mil would be highly unlikely if he goes under.

Oh well much more to come out of this shitfight!
 

BunniesMan

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I would have thought best case scenario is tinkler pays his bills and continues to spend millions every year making the Knights the super club of nsw?
You're an idiot. Brisbane has a bigger base and a much bigger entity behind them and even they can't be a superclub in the 21st century.
 

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