End nears for suburban NRL grounds

[Phil McGrawhan]

I think you people should follow Bunniesderp's lead,& Stretch your NECK & have a look around .

 

[BunniesMan]

Don't anz, sfs etc clubs keep membership payments? If they are getting ticketed membership plus money from the stadium then all they are missing out on is food and drink and pay at the gate income.

Yes shark park and Penrith could be upgraded, if you've got a spare $150mill. Newcastle are a good example of a great ground renovation as will nib when it's finished. But you need squillions to do it.

Re income not hard to gauge when you consider the financial state of sharks, eagles and panthers. Penrith't p&l statement is avail in their annual report and you can see how much they make from game day activity, it isn't much.

I'd set a min 20k capacity with 75% undercover seating. Give clubs 5-10 years to work to it and help them with seed funding etc.

Shame nsw govt is so Skint. Wa govt is spending $1.2bill on one new stadium, for that sort of money you could sort out all the Sydney clubs grounds inc a new 35k western Sydney stadium.

Of course the stadiums don't get the membership money.

Souths are projected to make a 7 figure profit next year. Do you really think that would be done without membership revenue? Membership money is a fundamental source of income for clubs like Souths.

The trade is we trade in food and drink money and non member ticket sales in return for a set payment every game with bonuses for larger crowds.

It is a very good deal financially. It is why we've made profits the last 3 years in a row and it is why we will make a massive profit next year that I predict will be by far the biggest among Sydney clubs. Financially we'll be second only to Brisbanes profit.

And it is one of many reasons why suburban clubs will turn to ANZ and SFS in the next 10 years.

 

[newman]

I have heard WTs have had a deal like this in the past, whether it was telstra or SFS I cant recall...dont think its uncommon

Bonus or not it doesn't guarantee that souths and the dogs make bucketloads more than the teams playing out of suburban grounds. All clubs work on different revenue models and I was trying to point out BMs blatant posturing in implying that he knew who made what and where. The proof of the pudding is in the eating. If it was markedly more lucrative to play out of the SFS and ANZ, Penrith, parra, the merge, the Sharkies and manly would all be clambering over one another to do it and would have rolled out plans to mitigate damage on the fans who want to stay in the suburbs, where they learned to drive, and you told me you'd never survive, grab your mothers keys, we're leaving....

 

[newman]

Of course the stadiums don't get the membership money.

Souths are projected to make a 7 figure profit next year. Do you really think that would be done without membership revenue? Membership money is a fundamental source of income for clubs like Souths.

The trade is we trade in food and drink money and non member ticket sales in return for a set payment every game with bonuses for larger crowds.

It is a very good deal financially. It is why we've made profits the last 3 years in a row and it is why we will make a massive profit next year that I predict will be by far the biggest among Sydney clubs. Financially we'll be second only to Brisbanes profit.

And it is one of many reasons why suburban clubs will turn to ANZ and SFS in the next 10 years.

Well the sharks just announced today in the Leader that they are set for a football club profit of a million bucks next year. That's seven figures. And that's playing out of a suburban ground. And with one third the number of members of Souths.

Different models for different clubs. That's no bad thing.

 

[BunniesMan]

Bonus or not it doesn't guarantee that souths and the dogs make bucketloads more than the teams playing out of suburban grounds. All clubs work on different revenue models and I was trying to point out BMs blatant posturing in implying that he knew who made what and where. The proof of the pudding is in the eating. If it was markedly more lucrative to play out of the SFS and ANZ, Penrith, parra, the merge, the Sharkies and manly would all be clambering over one another to do it and would have rolled out plans to mitigate damage on the fans who want to stay in the suburbs, where they learned to drive, and you told me you'd never survive, grab your mothers keys, we're leaving....

If at the end of this financial year if we make the 7 figure profit we've projected and made a profit for the 4th year in a row, something no other Sydney club has even come close to doing, will you acknowledge our stadium deal is financially more beneficial than a suburban stadium. Or maybe our money has appeared out of thin air...

 

[BunniesMan]

Well the sharks just announced today in the Leader that they are set for a football club profit of a million bucks next year. That's seven figures. And that's playing out of a suburban ground. And with one third the number of members of Souths.

Different models for different clubs. That's no bad thing.

It is on public record that the Sharks run on fumes with a skeleton crew. This year you've had this development stuff happen and you're still running the joint with much less football club expenditure than most other clubs.

I wonder if you'd make the same profit if you had the same number of staff as we do.

Point is you make a profit like we do but that doesn't mean you're making as much money as we do. And don't forget our profit is done without any leagues club money.

 

[newman]

You are missing the point. Souths have done bloody well financially over the last few years and should be commended, but that's got more to do with Rusty and the hyphens money AND the top notch management team they put in place to oversee its use than the stadium deal. Season lightly with star power and constant marketing, mix in some good performances on the field and you have a tidy profit.

The Sharks have taken a different road. Fiscal hard-lining. Not having a CEO. Cost cutting and debt drilling. Paying players what they are worth and skimping in luxuries while improving revenue streams.

They both ended up in the same place. 7 figure profit.

I spoke at length to one of the current directors a few years ago and he admitted that they had sounded out moving to the SFS and it didn't make financial sense. The offer wasn't big enough. You can't move a club like the Sharks because unlike the bunnies who had already moved in 1988 (just over the road) the club still has its roots DEEP in the local area. Don't forget that the current board that were swept to power were done so on a ticket of no relocation, and that included to home bush.

 

[Fire]

dunniesgirl is providing so much lol@souffs in this thread lol.

 

[newman]

I wonder if you'd make the same profit if you had the same number of staff as we do.

Point is you make a profit like we do but that doesn't mean you're making as much money as we do. And don't forget our profit is done without any leagues club money.

God you really are an imbecile.

Of course we wouldn't make the same profit If we had more staff because the costs are higher. Thats why we run with no CEO and no recruitment guy. Business 101.

And on point 2. Facepalm. A million bucks profit is a million bucks profit is a million bucks profit. That doesn't change according to the size of the organisation. It's the same amount of money to reinvest into the business. Up until now footy clubs have run at break even at best, this is new territory we are entering. Now go to bed.

 

[Fire]

God you really are an imbecile.

Of course we wouldn't make the same profit If we had more staff because the costs are higher. Thats why we run with no CEO and no recruitment guy. Business 101.

And on point 2. Facepalm. A million bucks profit is a million bucks profit is a million bucks profit. That doesn't change according to the size of the organisation. It's the same amount of money to reinvest into the business. Up until now footy clubs have run at break even at best, this is new territory we are entering. Now go to bed.

...and don't wake up.

 

[The Elephant In The room]

That article was a load of shit. If you have ever been to Sharks leagues prior to or after a game you can't move in the joint, bar lines are huge, can't get in the restaurants and there are plenty tipping the mortgage payments through the one armed robbers. Go there on a non game day and you are lucky to see 20 people in there. Without game days Sharks leagues would have been out of business 30 years ago. It's a huge benefit to the sharks to have the leagues connected to the ground.

If that's the case, and i wont doubt you because ive never been to Rhe Sharky Leagues club then the Sharks mgmt need a gold star for keeping them in business for this long, but then given the sack immediately for having a business model that revolves around 12 days a year. That's a totally unsustainable business model and thank god they've got the development through.

 

[newman]

Yup.

 

[Matty_C]

Don't anz, sfs etc clubs keep membership payments? If they are getting ticketed membership plus money from the stadium then all they are missing out on is food and drink and pay at the gate income.

Yes shark park and Penrith could be upgraded, if you've got a spare $150mill. Newcastle are a good example of a great ground renovation as will nib when it's finished. But you need squillions to do it.

Re income not hard to gauge when you consider the financial state of sharks, eagles and panthers. Penrith't p&l statement is avail in their annual report and you can see how much they make from game day activity, it isn't much.

I'd set a min 20k capacity with 75% undercover seating. Give clubs 5-10 years to work to it and help them with seed funding etc.

Shame nsw govt is so Skint. Wa govt is spending $1.2bill on one new stadium, for that sort of money you could sort out all the Sydney clubs grounds inc a new 35k western Sydney stadium.

Actually it won't cost the sharks $150 million as it is part of the development.

 

[byrner]

It is on public record that the Sharks run on fumes with a skeleton crew. This year you've had this development stuff happen and you're still running the joint with much less football club expenditure than most other clubs.

I wonder if you'd make the same profit if you had the same number of staff as we do.

Point is you make a profit like we do but that doesn't mean you're making as much money as we do. And don't forget our profit is done without any leagues club money.

Is this guy thick or what?

If I run a business which earns 5 mil revenue a year and you run a business which earns 10 mil revenue a year selling the same product, but we both have a net of 1 mil, who has the the more efficient business model?

By your logic you would pick the business that earns 10 million revenue. But that just shows how little you know about business.

 

[Pogga]

Is this guy thick or what?

If I run a business which earns 5 mil revenue a year and you run a business which earns 10 mil revenue a year selling the same product, but we both have a net of 1 mil, who has the the more efficient business model?

By your logic you would pick the business that earns 10 million revenue. But that just shows how little you know about business.

Why do people reply to BM 's posts?

Obvious troll is obviously not so obvious.

 

[Loudstrat]

why are you taking a f**king tram. the MCG basically has 2 train stations. Richomd and Jolimont walk out of stadium to train station and catch appropriate train. do you like trams?

you could take 20 mins off your time to dandenong if you got over your love of trams and WTF are you doing on a bus? getting bored with the train and got off at noble park for a change of scenery.

That was straight off the official Melbourne public transport website you f*cking brainless dribbler - as it clearly said in the top of my post. Anyway, where the f*ck is Richomd you tool????????

.........Sookvale .........

:lol:

I travel from St Leonards to ANZ (Homebush) for Bulldog games every Friday and Monday (Obviously after work) and never had a problem getting there on time (I leave work @ 5pm), for the games on saturday and sunday I travel from Monterey (Drive)... I'd prefer to sit at ANZ in comfort then sit on the hill at Penrith, Brooky or Kogarah (And Kogarah is only 5 minutes from my place) etc. I'd rather wait about 2 minutes for a pie and beer at ANZ with a crowd of 30K+ then 30 mins at one of the suburban grounds with a crowd of 15K all crammed in.

2 1/2 hours. My point is proved. Thank you.

I was born in Liverpool hospital. I lived the first half of my life in Sydney. I know Sydney.

You have already been owned over this one, but how much do you remember of Sydney for the first four f*cking years of your life you dumb sh*t?

But thanks for admitting that you think you are lowlife scum. Anyone west of Broadway were westie lowlife scum according to you in your Inspector Plod phase - and you are from f*cking Liverpool! :lol:

What's the answer then? NRL wants 20k+ crowds, NSW Govt won't be helping develop suburban stadiums so where does the answer lie? Hard to see clubs finding $100mill+ to redevelop, doubt councils are going to be keen to stump up ratepayer $'s, C'wealth bah, nothing really in the ARLC strategic document to suggest they will be throwing cash in. It's easy to say keep things as they are but that is hardly going to help those clubs who find themselves financially straight jacketed by grounds with ltd corporate facilities and antiquated spectator facilities that keep the modern family away.

The modern family? Ones that are happy to travel hours to park their arse on plastic? One assumes they hate grass that much that they have concrete backyards and never go on picnics.

Or maybe you think suburban clubs are trying to attract ancient families??? F*ck knows how your brain works.

 

[Perth Red]

Is this guy thick or what?

If I run a business which earns 5 mil revenue a year and you run a business which earns 10 mil revenue a year selling the same product, but we both have a net of 1 mil, who has the the more efficient business model?

By your logic you would pick the business that earns 10 million revenue. But that just shows how little you know about business.

So your advocating for all NRL clubs to dump their CEO as they clearly aren't necessary?

 

[Perth Red]

The modern family? Ones that are happy to travel hours to park their arse on plastic? One assumes they hate grass that much that they have concrete backyards and never go on picnics.

Or maybe you think suburban clubs are trying to attract ancient families??? F*ck knows how your brain works.

So you don't think families have different expectations today than those of previous decades? God your a f* coking idiot!

 

[firechild]

Seems the single blokes that in or near the city think this is a great idea and those who actually have families that they would like to take to the footy generally think it's a pretty bad idea, especially when coupled with the fact that 6 out of the 8 games each week are now played at night. As an example, in 2013 Manly play a total of 3 Sunday afternoon games (to round 20), 1 of which is in Auckland. If centralised staiums were already in use, Manly fans with families would be pretty long odds to get to many games at all.

 

[carcharias]

Like I said
If they made the sharks play out of the SFS on a permanent basis
I would not go.
No f**king way.

I love my teams home ground
I love it when they win there
I love driving past it during the off season.
I love having a beer in the club before and after games
I love that I can get my misses to drop me out the front and come back and pick me up.
I love watching fans from other clubs having no idea where to park their cars.

If they moved I would watch it on foxtel
And I would not be alone.

It is fine for city based teams to use a centralised stadium
Away games for us are not that big a deal.
A couple here and there are fine.
But not travelling into the city almost every week .

Crowds would die off dramatically.