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Nathan Tinkler relinquishes ownership of the Newcastle Knights

Mr Spock!

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Maybe it sounded like a good idea 12 months ago.

But now the dogs are barking.

Could it be he wants to hang on for another 12 months, put bugger all into the Knights so he can clear his 2 year guarantee?

This merkin's left others high and dry.
 

Fire

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Maybe it sounded like a good idea 12 months ago.

But now the dogs are barking.

Could it be he wants to hang on for another 12 months, put bugger all into the Knights so he can clear his 2 year guarantee?

This merkin's left others high and dry.

Is the guarantee only there for two years???!
 

Diesel

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What a mess, 12 months ago it seemed the Knights had everything sorted. I hope the Knights have an iron clad agreement as I don't want to see then shafted like lots of other creditors of Tinklers
 

Loudstrat

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Id love to know the fine print about this bank gaurantee. It HAS to be tied to Tinkler's finances - banks just dont guarantee $20 million to a third party if a wealthy investor goes belly up. Then again, without it they would just be another creditor looking for its share of the carcase of a debtors empire.

Obviously they are holding it up so the Jan 1 deadline passes before the financial statement shows that the Knights have to call on the bank guarantee.

Still, for all the praise from Rob Tew, its clear that they were stupid to get into bed with this dick in the first place. He was late paying his takeover fees to the Knights in the first place, and even then stories popped up about his refusal to pay up staff and contractors. Clearly, a large percentage of his wealth was actually money he was withholding from third parties.

The Knights were blinded by his Golden promises - bring the gun Knights juniors back home, bring the expensive coach and his love child fullback. His handling of the Kade Snowdon purchase was insensitive to Cronulla and ignorant of the Salary Cap. Having Bennett fly up during the Dragons semi final campaign was also pathetic (on Bennett's part at least). So was his orchestrated media campaign against the board. In short, his conduct was brash and insensetive - and so far has delivered as much of the promised improvement as 3P has at Parramatta.

It looks like Tinkler's knights ownership is about to fall over, and the knights are in a fight for $10 million worth of guarantees which may or may not come - and if that money dos come, will it be entangled in a legal web, thus delaying its delivery until after the operational finances of the club dry up? FFS he hasnt paid the rent on Hunter Stadium - thus opening the door to the Knights losing their home ground.

With the ARLC moving at the pace of George Rose in a triathlon, The Knights may be in a distant but real threat of insolvency - and this is ONE club that Rugby League can NOT afford to see go under.

Sadly, it's on the cards. The ARLC needs to act quickly and act tough with Tinkler to make sure the Knights survive the incoming tidal wave that will financially wipe Tinkler and HSG off the face of the earth.
 

Alex28

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Really?

How much is your house worth when the bank sells it?

Debt to f**king debt ratio and ability to service the loan is all they care about. If they can get their 700mil they don't give a shit about what papers think current market value is.

Debt to debt ratio? Isn't that always going to be 1? Unless "f**king debt" is worth more than just your average old debt.

If you are going to try and sound like you have any idea what's going on, at least get the f**king terms right.

The share price of Whitehaven is probably worth less with Tinkler out of there. It isn't in their best interest to get him out of there unless the company looks completely stuffed. He'll fight to live another day...
 

Fire

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Agree with Diesel that I don't wanna see Newcastle go under. Agree with Loudy too that the ARLC may have to move fast (and I think they will, if they have to).

Seriously though, I'll poke fun at Tinkler and call him a "fat merkin", etc, but I don't really give a f**k about him. All I care about is Newcastle still being around. f**k Tinkler and his problems, he don't give a f**k about mine.
 

Alex28

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Id love to know the fine print about this bank gaurantee. It HAS to be tied to Tinkler's finances - banks just dont guarantee $20 million to a third party if a wealthy investor goes belly up. Then again, without it they would just be another creditor looking for its share of the carcase of a debtors empire.

The Bank isn't guaranteeing anything - they hold security for what is effectively a letter of demand. The holder of the Bank Guarantee can ask for a figure (can be part, can be all) and the Bank must pay upon the request. The Bank then gets its money from their client. The security can be cash, can also be property or shares or whatever the Bank is prepared to take as security.

The guarantee can have terms to it (such as performance requirements), and can be staggered in value just like Tinky's appears to be. I would have thought not having the review done in time is failure to perform and could trigger the guarantee - hard to say without seeing the terms.

But the actual bank in question is really not guaranteeing anything.
 

Loudstrat

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Debt to debt ratio? Isn't that always going to be 1? Unless "f**king debt" is worth more than just your average old debt.

If you are going to try and sound like you have any idea what's going on, at least get the f**king terms right.

The share price of Whitehaven is probably worth less with Tinkler out of there. It isn't in their best interest to get him out of there unless the company looks completely stuffed. He'll fight to live another day...

It could be worth more too. I couldnt imagine Whitehaven being an attractive investment with a major shareholder about to go bankrupt, causing a forced sale of his shares which will bring the price down. I would suggest that investors would be more likely to buy Whitehaven shares AFTER Fat Nafan departs.

BTW, thanks for explaining the guarantee! :)
 

BunniesMan

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The share price of Whitehaven is probably worth less with Tinkler out of there. It isn't in their best interest to get him out of there unless the company looks completely stuffed. He'll fight to live another day...
http://au.finance.yahoo.com/echarts...n;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=off;source=undefined;

The shareprice of Whitehaven isn't looking great. The above is its performance since April. Not looking great. You say it isn't in their best interest to get him out, well whats happening now doesn't look to be in their best interest. You say the share price will suffer if he gets f**ked, well the share price is struggling with him there. The status quo is not good so it would not be surprising if they do make a decision Tinkler doesn't like sooner or later.
 

Alex28

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His lenders will be the one forcing the sale. No gain for them forcing the sale or taking possession of such a large parcel of shares where he has been so dominant in creating the value within the company. Everyone will lose that way - even the lender...
 
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It could be worth more too. I couldnt imagine Whitehaven being an attractive investment with a major shareholder about to go bankrupt, causing a forced sale of his shares which will bring the price down. I would suggest that investors would be more likely to buy Whitehaven shares AFTER Fat Nafan departs.

BTW, thanks for explaining the guarantee! :)

This.

Whc trading at these lows has a lot to do with the uncertainty of Tinklers share this is according to analysts.
I know, as I am a shareholder and am constantly seeking info about its price from the firm I go through. Coal prices are also a factor however the tinkler uncertainty is why they think the company is over sold.
 

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