Jarryd Hayne re-signs through till the end of the 2015

[Maroubra Eel]

Who exactly? It appears we are looking for a prop and a 2nd rower even with the signing of hayne. Which off contract ones would you go for?

As i stated in another thread the only hooker worth going for is Rein who might be worth 300-400k maybe

Anyone off contract. As I said I'd even wait until next year. Better than having so much money tied up long term in a position we've already got covered.

 

[strider]

why is hoppa pole dancing? :sarcasm:

 

[Ratchy]

The issue is that if he wants to be our highest paid player AND play fullback like a traditional fullback, then he isn't worth 8 or 900k and definitely not a million.

When Inglis goes on the open market do you think he can get a million?....cause i'm sure as hell he will get that. Inglis has an advantage of Hayne and that is the players around him.

On shifts to the edges Inglis has Sutton, Champion, T'eo, McQueen, Farrell, King and even Sam Burgess if Maguire decides to move him there who are all damaging ball runners that gives the player with a ball in hand plenty of options. That is not to mention Merritt who is a try scoring freak. Who does Hayne have....more to the fact 99% of the time on shifts the ball goes to Hayne because they others don't have the talent or explosiveness which makes it predictable and having 1-2 defenders on him every time the ball is given to Hayne.

 

[Maroubra Eel]

Hayne and Inglis are in different classes.

 

[bartman]

Yeah, Inglis even has his own website... http://www.greginglis.com.au/

 

[Ratchy]

Hayne has the potential to be a match winner week in week out like Inglis if he had decent players around him, look at what he has done in origin...

 

[Gary Gutful]

Hayne has the potential to be a match winner week in week out like Inglis if he had decent players around him, look at what he has done in origin...

shoulda, coulda, woulda...

 

[Hollywood Jesus]

Hayne has the potential to be a match winner week in week out like Inglis if he had decent players around him, look at what he has done in origin...

HaHa could have been a match winner last week against the Dogs. He decided not to be.

 

[Ratchy]

shoulda, coulda, woulda...

Can't come up with anything better or is that your limit?

 

[Eels Dude]

Stop making excuses for him.

If Hayne's energy, enthusiasm and leadership were exemplary each week then I wouldn't disagree with what you are saying. However, with the abundance of talent he has, only a fool would suggest that he is playing to the level he is capable of.

Hayne needs to take accountability for his own performances and shouldn't be pandered to or excused because we are a sh!t team. Talent aside, we should set standards around committment and leadership and every player, including Hayne should be made to meet these standards. Look at Thurston, easily the most talented player at the Cowboys over the years but always the most comitted on the field. This is the benchmark that Hayne should strive for.

I hope that Sticky doesn't make the mistake of previous coaches and continually reminds him of this.

If this were last week I might agree with you. I thought in the Bulldogs game he looked lethargic and dis-interested, evident mainly due to his very slow play the balls after kick returns and poor positioning at the back that even Kris Keating found plenty of grass.

It's not making excuses by simply pointing out that one player can only do so much if if the rest of the squad isn't performing to expectations. He's still far away our best player, but the fact is he's not going to become more consistent until the rest of the squad lift their game. For the past few years he's been picking up the slack because other players have been under-performing.

You can't compare Thurston and Hayne, because it's Thurston's role to be chief playmaker and touch the ball every second play, call the shots, and tell the forwards wear to run, and generally organize the attack. If he's not vocal yelling at his troops all the time he's not doing his job. In regards to Hayne's leadership, he lost his way the other night but it's a learning curve for him being captain and talking to the refs so should be given some leeway there.

 

[eels_fan]

Whilst inconsistent, I'd comfortably say he was responsible for 60-70% of every game We've won in the past 3-4 yrs.

It's going to break our bank to keep him, but I don't think we can afford to lose him, only for him to go to Penrith or Brisbane (or whoever) and become the best player in the game

We need to have faith that Stuart will bring the best out in him, as will the captaincy once he gets more experience.

 

[Eels Dude]

I strongly disagree. There is a reason that commentators have spoken about Slater in far more glowing terms than Hayne. To come from a scrawny jockey to one of the games greatest players is remarkable and shows a level of committment and determination that Hayne has never shown. Hayne has always been talented and has done just enough to get by.

You comment exemplifies the sort of apologist attitude that needs to stop when it comes to Hayne.

It helps Billy Slater plays in a dominating (cheating) Storm side led around by Cameron Smith and Cooper Cronk, and a QLD side with them Thurston and Lockyer so he only has to worry about being a support player and nothing more. I wonder how Slater would have faired playing outside spine players like Matt Keating and Jeff Robson and was expected to play 3 roles instead of one.

When Slater was Hayne's age he hadn't even played for Australia yet.

 

[bartman]

You can't compare Thurston and Hayne, because it's Thurston's role to be chief playmaker and touch the ball every second play, call the shots, and tell the forwards wear to run, and generally organize the attack.

And that's exactly why Hayne and Thurston's pay packets should not be of a comparable level either.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Can't come up with anything better or is that your limit?

I've come up with plenty thanks.

Personally, I think it is classic apologist behaviour to right off Hayne's current lack of effort by suggesting that he would do better in a better team.

What about assessing him based on how he is currently performing in a team that desperately needs leadership from someone of his ilk?

 

[Gary Gutful]

If this were last week I might agree with you. I thought in the Bulldogs game he looked lethargic and dis-interested, evident mainly due to his very slow play the balls after kick returns and poor positioning at the back that even Kris Keating found plenty of grass.

It's not making excuses by simply pointing out that one player can only do so much if if the rest of the squad isn't performing to expectations. He's still far away our best player, but the fact is he's not going to become more consistent until the rest of the squad lift their game. For the past few years he's been picking up the slack because other players have been under-performing.

You can't compare Thurston and Hayne, because it's Thurston's role to be chief playmaker and touch the ball every second play, call the shots, and tell the forwards wear to run, and generally organize the attack. If he's not vocal yelling at his troops all the time he's not doing his job. In regards to Hayne's leadership, he lost his way the other night but it's a learning curve for him being captain and talking to the refs so should be given some leeway there.

I am of the strong belief that Slater, Cronk, Thurston and Smith all have leadership characteristics that Hayne doesn't have. I am not alone in this regard. In fact, if we were to extend this argument to all league fans I am very confident that most people would agree with this.

Hayne is very, very talented. However, he still has a lot to learn to become one of the games elite. I cant see why this is so controversial. It is there for all to see on a weekly basis.

Re: Not being able to compare Hayne and Thurston - Feel free to substitute 'Thurston' with 'Slater' and the same points apply.

 

[Maroubra Eel]

Comparing Hayne and Thurston is simply ridiculous. The Australian half vs the nsw winger. C'mon.

 

[eels_fan]

And that's exactly why Hayne and Thurston's pay packets should not be of a comparable level either.

Should pay packets be relative to a comparison to other teams players, or the value of the player to the club?

Thurston certainly is a better, more consistent player.

But I'd say Hayne has a bigger impact or value to our team than Thurston has to the Cowboys. Cowboys without Thurston suffer but can still win due to other class players - Bowen, Tamou, Scott etc. whereas we've shown Hayne to be crucial to us having any chance of winning in the past few years.

In my opinion, if Hayne & Thurston were in the same team, then JT would certainly demand a substantially higher salary, but given their respective teams and the value/expectation/importance, I'd say Hayne would reasonably demand a similar portion of our cap as JT has of NQ's

 

[Gary Gutful]

Whilst inconsistent, I'd comfortably say he was responsible for 60-70% of every game We've won in the past 3-4 yrs.

It's going to break our bank to keep him, but I don't think we can afford to lose him, only for him to go to Penrith or Brisbane (or whoever) and become the best player in the game

We need to have faith that Stuart will bring the best out in him, as will the captaincy once he gets more experience.

What evidence has he given to suggest that this is likely?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

For you guys who wouldn't care if we miss out on hayne; Which off contract player/s would you fill with the approx. 800k we'd have left over

I'd take eight of the guys currently on $200k, and replace them with eight players worth $300k.

Instant premiership contender.

 

[Gary Gutful]

It helps Billy Slater plays in a dominating (cheating) Storm side led around by Cameron Smith and Cooper Cronk, and a QLD side with them Thurston and Lockyer so he only has to worry about being a support player and nothing more. I wonder how Slater would have faired playing outside spine players like Matt Keating and Jeff Robson and was expected to play 3 roles instead of one.

When Slater was Hayne's age he hadn't even played for Australia yet.

More Hayne excuses.

I am confident that Slater would be more effective in a shitty team than Hayne. Very confident. Do you know why? Leadership.

Slater may not be as talented, but I bet my nuts that he would have done a better job helping create a team culture and would have consistently put in more effort on the field. These are characteristics that help create team success.