Organised crime and drugs in sport investigation part III

[El Diablo]

i can imagine ASADA grilling Essendon

ASADA: did you take drugs?

Essendon player: no

ASADA: All is sweet then. thanks for cooperating and we're very sorry for wasting your time.

 

[herbert henry1908]

It is very interesting to see how a well oiled PR machine like the AFL operates vs the basket case that is the NRL.
Sharks - 5 weeks with a non club sanctioned bloke who they kick out in 2011.
Essendon - >12mths with the same bloke, this time club sanctioned, up to present day.

The only reason the Essendon players WONT have legal rep, is if a deal has already been done.

The NRL was a basket case.

No longer the case IMO. Obviously it will take some time to iron things out though.

 

[CrazyTiger]

It is very interesting to see how a well oiled PR machine like the AFL operates vs the basket case that is the NRL.
Sharks - 5 weeks with a non club sanctioned bloke who they kick out in 2011.
Essendon - >12mths with the same bloke, this time club sanctioned, up to present day.

The only reason the Essendon players WONT have legal rep, is if a deal has already been done.

Essendon owning up to their mistakes is good PR. Cronulla trying to lawyer its way out of strife is bad PR.

 

[El Diablo]

Essendon owning up to their mistakes is good PR. Cronulla trying to lawyer its way out of strife is bad PR.

they haven't owned up you idiot http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/bombers-confident-players-will-be-cleared-20130506-2j3ku.html

 

[herbert henry1908]

Essendon owning up to their mistakes is good PR. Cronulla trying to lawyer its way out of strife is bad PR.

Didn't cronulla sack three employees ? Isn't that owning up to mistakes?


Retaining legal counsel isn't bad PR , it's good bloody business sense. For both the club and the players.

 

[ek999]

Didn't cronulla sack three employees ? Isn't that owning up to mistakes?


Retaining legal counsel isn't bad PR , it's good bloody business sense. For both the club and the players.

They were sacked for "management failures" if I remember rightly. Much like what Essendon's club doctor or whoever got sacked was sacked for

 

[eozsmiles]

The NRL should be more worried about where the leaks are coming from than who is a DT source. Because if the person supplying info to Bec and co is different to the person leaking the info from it's Origin, then the stories will pop up again, won't they?

That's probably in journalism 101.

Do any Sharks players or associates work for any media agencies? Any ASADA staff or associates? Cast of thousands with access to either privileged or private info.

Anyway, good luck to them.

 

[El Diablo]

the NRL should have called police to see if News Ltd obtained them legally

we've seen how this mob have acted overseas with the NOTW scandal

 

[herbert henry1908]

They were sacked for "management failures" if I remember rightly. Much like what Essendon's club doctor or whoever got sacked was sacked for

Yeah , that was the line.

But management failures or whatever you want to call it , it was owning up to mistakes.

And I'm happy to be proven wrong , but I wasn't aware essendon sacked anyone.

 

[herbert henry1908]

The NRL should be more worried about where the leaks are coming from than who is a DT source. Because if the person supplying info to Bec and co is different to the person leaking the info from it's Origin, then the stories will pop up again, won't they?

That's probably in journalism 101.

Do any Sharks players or associates work for any media agencies? Any ASADA staff or associates? Cast of thousands with access to either privileged or private info.

Anyway, good luck to them.

They're likely looking in both directions. We wouldn't hear about internal investigations.

 

[CrazyTiger]

Didn't cronulla sack three employees ? Isn't that owning up to mistakes?


Retaining legal counsel isn't bad PR , it's good bloody business sense. For both the club and the players.

Cronulla has an all new board. They were reelected on a ticket promising to reinstate the four sacked employees. That hardly sounds like taking responsibility to me.

 

[SharkShocked]

Yet the new board hasn't reinstated anyone.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Cronulla has an all new board. They were reelected on a ticket promising to reinstate the four sacked employees. That hardly sounds like taking responsibility to me.

Have they been reinstated ?!

The incoming board wouldn't have the info until they became the board.

They could just as easily turn around and change their minds based on evidence they hadn't seen.


Equally they could reinstate the sacked employees if that's the right thing to do.


Simple fact is cronulla's financial stability and managerial stability was nowhere near that of the essendon football club. Ofcourse they are going to approach the situation differently. What's good for one isn't necessarily good for the other.

 

[CrazyTiger]

Yet the new board hasn't reinstated anyone.

Of course they were never going to reinstate them. The Cronulla support base has made the NRL look bad by allowing a ticket to play those kinds of games.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Of course they were never going to reinstate them. The Cronulla support base has made the NRL look bad by allowing a ticket to play those kinds of games.

You're talking utter nonsense.

Was this the only issue the new board ran on ? And did all the cronulla support base vote?


All elections are filled with empty promises. This is not different.

 

[SharkShocked]

The ticket also promised 'astute' businessmen get put on the board.

You are clearly only looking at one perspective of the election and manipulating it to suit your cause here.

There were many different reasons for people wanting to vote the old board out.

Either way, no one has been reinstated and your opinion is pathetic in relation to Essendon accepting their role when they are screaming the house down that they have done nothing wrong in an INTERNAL report.

Cronulla open themselves up to an EX Asada report to be commissioned and you are slamming them for not being open and transparent?

Pull the other one you f**king muppet.

For the record I believe that it is very likely that Cronulla has done something wrong and in time i'm sure something will come out.

But to believe that the AFL are 'taking ownership and accepting blame' is laughable.

 

[CrazyTiger]

You're talking utter nonsense.

Was this the only issue the new board ran on ? And did all the cronulla support base vote?


All elections are filled with empty promises. This is not different.

The NRL should have leant on Cronulla. Made it clear that if they don't fess up to any wrong doing and they get found out. Then they will not be granted a new licence.

Cronulla would not be causing rugby league the kind of embarrassment it is now if the NRL had not been so weak from the outset.

 

[herbert henry1908]

The NRL should have leant on Cronulla. Made it clear that if they don't fess up to any wrong doing and they get found out. Then they will not be granted a new licence.

Cronulla would not be causing rugby league the kind of embarrassment it is now if the NRL had not been so weak from the outset.

What's that got to do with my questions ?


I'll ask again , was this the only issue the new board ran on ? And did all cronulla supporters vote?

If not how many did and do they represent everyone ?

 

[SharkShocked]

No point herbert, you're talking to a genius.

 

[CrazyTiger]

There were many different reasons for people wanting to vote the old board out.

It was an opportunistic grab for power based around the Cronulla fan base sticking their heads in the sand about what they are being investigated for.

Either way, no one has been reinstated and your opinion is pathetic in relation to Essendon accepting their role when they are screaming the house down that they have done nothing wrong in an INTERNAL report.

Unlike the Sharks internal report that requires a court injunction in case the public see it.

Cronulla open themselves up to an EX Asada report to be commissioned and you are slamming them for not being open and transparent?

They were voted in on the basis of backing away from answering the allegations. The fan base blamed DI for admitting to taking "horse drugs" and was furious about getting an ex ASADA person to carry out the internal investigation. The basis of getting elected was trying to back track on accepting any kind of responsibility.