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Organised crime and drugs in sport investigation part III

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ek999

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I have to agree with BunniesMan as much as it pains me to do so. Without the interviews, there isn't much else for ASADA to do. At the press conference ARLC did with Grant and Smith I'm pretty sure the interviews were the last step in the process. If any infraction notices are to be issued I think it will be in the next week or two
 
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I have to agree with BunniesMan as much as it pains me to do so. Without the interviews, there isn't much else for ASADA to do. At the press conference ARLC did with Grant and Smith I'm pretty sure the interviews were the last step in the process. If any infraction notices are to be issued I think it will be in the next week or two

Hopefully next week.

Lets get this over with!

If they have enough to out cheats, do it! Don't want them playing or involved in the game.
 

BunniesMan

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This is my take of the situation:

ASADA did not lay all their cards out on the table in terms of what they had and didn't have. They then had an interview stage where every person of interest had a chance to co-operate, give their side of the story and perhaps explain any mitigating circumstances.

I feel the majority of the persons of interest were advised by their lawyers that ASADA had nothing and ASADA was relying on info from these interviews. As a result I think most persons of interest decided to shut up shop and give nothing thinking they were in the clear.

ASADA saw they were getting nowhere, decided to end the interviews and is now just about ready to hand out charges and infractions (infractions via the NRL).

This is what I think we will see by the end of this working week.

Of course the other possibility is they really do have nothing and all this will go away. But I think you'd have to be very naive to think that is the case.

One way or the other, next 5 days will reveal everything.
 
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I have to agree with BunniesMan as much as it pains me to do so. Without the interviews, there isn't much else for ASADA to do. At the press conference ARLC did with Grant and Smith I'm pretty sure the interviews were the last step in the process. If any infraction notices are to be issued I think it will be in the next week or two


But you're not agreeing with bunniesman.

He's saying the interviews were pure courtesy.

He's definite there will be charges in the next week. Your saying 'if'.
 
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This is my take of the situation:

ASADA did not lay all their cards out on the table in terms of what they had and didn't have. They then had an interview stage where every person of interest had a chance to co-operate, give their side of the story and perhaps explain any mitigating circumstances.

I feel the majority of the persons of interest were advised by their lawyers that ASADA had nothing and ASADA was relying on info from these interviews. As a result I think most persons of interest decided to shut up shop and give nothing thinking they were in the clear.

ASADA saw they were getting nowhere, decided to end the interviews and is now just about ready to hand out charges and infractions (infractions via the NRL).

This is what I think we will see by the end of this working week.

Of course the other possibility is they really do have nothing and all this will go away. But I think you'd have to be very naive to think that is the case.

One way or the other, next 5 days will reveal everything.

I just want to get this straight.

What you are saying is that ASADA may or may not have enough evidence to issue notices to the NRL who may or may not issue infraction notices in the next working week.

Genius!
 

ek999

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But you're not agreeing with bunniesman.

He's saying the interviews were pure courtesy.

He's definite there will be charges in the next week. Your saying 'if'.

Well I try to normally skip over his posts pretty quickly so I didn't read it properly. But I will be surprised if nothing happens in the next fortnight
 
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This is my take of the situation:

ASADA did not lay all their cards out on the table in terms of what they had and didn't have. They then had an interview stage where every person of interest had a chance to co-operate, give their side of the story and perhaps explain any mitigating circumstances.

I feel the majority of the persons of interest were advised by their lawyers that ASADA had nothing and ASADA was relying on info from these interviews. As a result I think most persons of interest decided to shut up shop and give nothing thinking they were in the clear.

ASADA saw they were getting nowhere, decided to end the interviews and is now just about ready to hand out charges and infractions (infractions via the NRL).

This is what I think we will see by the end of this working week.

Of course the other possibility is they really do have nothing and all this will go away. But I think you'd have to be very naive to think that is the case.

One way or the other, next 5 days will reveal everything.


It's not being naive at all. We know they can't use the ACC evidence , they need their own.


Of they had it , why the delay ? Do they enjoy looking like fools ?


And one way or the other everything won't be revealed in the next 5 days you f*cking clown. There is nothing at all to suggest such a timeline.
 
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Well I try to normally skip over his posts pretty quickly so I didn't read it properly. But I will be surprised if nothing happens in the next fortnight

Given the ineptitude of the investigations so far , how can you have such certainty ?


I think it much more likely this wont be resolved for months.
 

El Diablo

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I just want to get this straight.

What you are saying is that ASADA may or may not have enough evidence to issue notices to the NRL who may or may not issue infraction notices in the next working week.

Genius!

so Bunniesmong is predicting either nothing or something will happen this week

he's a f**king flip
 

ek999

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Im not certain but I'm working under the assumption that there is very little for ASADA to do now other then give everything to the ARLC. If that's right then I don't see how it could take them more then a fortnight to issue infractions. If I'm assuming wrong then I have NFI when this could be over
 

Dogs Of War

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What really matters, is if those below the board go rogue, without the boards knowledge, does this constitute systematic doping by the club? If so, we are in a world of shit since they can ban the club for up to two years.

Is it a case of the club doping as opposed to individuals doping. That is the most important question as far as I can see.

Does it matter? The NRL would have no problems with killing the club if it came to that. Rationalisation is needed in Sydney, and if that was the outcome that it was deemed the club be banned for 2 years, then I don't think their would be any problem with getting one of the bids to fastrack their entry(with monetary help from the NRL) with major allowances for players impacted by the situation (ie Cronulla players allowed to sign for another club for say half their contract value under the salary cap the next year, new club allowed to approach one player at each club to see if they would make the move).

We cannot not have 16 clubs. Personally I would just like ASDA to get on with their investigation and rule either way. This cancellation of interviews is just a farce, if the players were not co-operating (which is hard to say given they only interviewed one whose answers they didn't like), they should just have done them all anyone to see if their fishing expedition would catch someone out. It's not like it's not common knowledge those who were most impacted by the suggestions, so why not get on and question those players, it's hard to deny you took something in those cases.
 
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Im not certain but I'm working under the assumption that there is very little for ASADA to do now other then give everything to the ARLC. If that's right then I don't see how it could take them more then a fortnight to issue infractions. If I'm assuming wrong then I have NFI when this could be over

I actually hope it's in the next week. Get it done boys and girls.

I am just wondering about the other players from other clubs. Will they still try and interview them or. Just go straight to infraction notices. Could be some other club supporters none to happy soon.
 

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What I most hope for is that no club is found to have systematically broken the rules.

I think at this stage a number of individual players and officials will have trouble but as long as there is no systematic cheating at club level I think the consequences to the comp will be minimal.
 
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Im not certain but I'm working under the assumption that there is very little for ASADA to do now other then give everything to the ARLC. If that's right then I don't see how it could take them more then a fortnight to issue infractions. If I'm assuming wrong then I have NFI when this could be over

They also might continue investigating through other methods.

They might not issue any infractions at all. In which case it likely won't be over.
 
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