Bears Confirmed & Rumoured Signings

[Poupou Escobar]

absolute rubbish post with 0 facts. broad overview lol
you boast arthur as an example yet quickly brushed away his own record when provided with the like for like stats with no thought that he was up and down lol.

again for fair comparison cause ya turned blind eye.

here is brad arthurs first full 5 seasons coaching (i didnt count his 6 game foray in 2012)

now mal's 5 seasons

no stats back ya up, no context gives your rubbish opinion substance lol
again ya brush aside the facts that mal coaches a raiders side that was in transitional change lol

gobthroat the trolley boy thinking he knows alot but evident he knows nothing.
ya keeping getting owned trolleyboy gobthroat.

Your analysis assumes the two coaches took over clubs of similar quality. But the 2014 Eels had just come off two straight wooden spoons. By contrast, the '97 Raiders were a powerful club, missing the finals once in the preceding ten years.

 

[Jimmy Wiggle]

Heard a rumour that Arama Hau has signed for 4 years, played pretty good for the Titans yesterday

 

[Centy Coast]

Had an eye on Luke Laulili last night in the Tigers trial …. I was a bit critical of that signing … but he went ok I thought and looks to have grown a few inches over the off season … could be a sneaky good signing on cheap money…

How good has Sean Russell (Eels) been playing in the Pre-Season trials.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

Heard a rumour that Arama Hau has signed for 4 years, played pretty good for the Titans yesterday

Good call mate.

Dane caught up with Arama a few weeks ago. I can’t confirm if he has in fact signed or it’s still being talked through.

For a young edge, he has shown good signs.

 

[SirPies&Beers]

Your analysis assumes the two coaches took over clubs of similar quality. But the 2014 Eels had just come off two straight wooden spoons. By contrast, the '97 Raiders were a powerful club, missing the finals once in the preceding ten years.

Cob, Both clubs were going through their phasing out stages and clean outs. At the time raiders players had aged out and Mal had to commence a clean out. Hence the roster change between 97 and 01….. including retirement and moving on of club legends

so whatever raiders did prior to mal is irrelevant because his job was to put a broom through the joint and foster in the next gen. Ditto Eels, Brad had to rebuild the roster from their prior failings however those prior failings were irrelevant to him. His objective was to get the roster right and then start to build. His job would’ve been a bit easier because he didn’t have to have difficult conversations with mates he played alongside with only year prior and then had to tell those same mates that they were washed out and weren’t getting renewed…

their first 5 seasons are still their first 5 season and they both had challenges to overcome and roster refreshing to do.

 

[SirPies&Beers]

Heard a rumour that Arama Hau has signed for 4 years, played pretty good for the Titans yesterday

Dane caught up with Arama a few weeks ago. I can’t confirm if he has in fact signed or it’s still being talked through.

For a young edge, he has shown good signs.

He looked good. He won’t be getting much game time as titans have ok edge depth. Only 21.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Cob, Both clubs were going through their phasing out stages and clean outs. At the time raiders players had aged out and Mal had to commence a clean out. Hence the roster change between 97 and 01….. including retirement and moving on of club legends

so whatever raiders did prior to mal is irrelevant because his job was to put a broom through the joint and foster in the next gen. Ditto Eels, Brad had to rebuild the roster from their prior failings however those prior failings were irrelevant to him. His objective was to get the roster right and then start to build. His job would’ve been a bit easier because he didn’t have to have difficult conversations with mates he played alongside with only year prior and then had to tell those same mates that they were washed out and weren’t getting renewed…

their first 5 seasons are still their first 5 season and they both had challenges to overcome and roster refreshing to do.

The relative form of the two clubs prior to these coaches taking over points to much bigger, long term structural advantages (or disadvantages) facing the two clubs. There is never a clean slate. Coaches either come into a club set for success or they don’t. It’s why Cleary and Maguire had immediate success at Penrith and Brisbane, because those clubs have recruitment/retention advantages. The same two coaches couldn’t even get Wests into the finals, because the Tigers have structural disadvantages that can’t be solved by coaching.

 

[Gobsmacked]

Cob, Both clubs were going through their phasing out stages and clean outs. At the time raiders players had aged out and Mal had to commence a clean out. Hence the roster change between 97 and 01….. including retirement and moving on of club legends

so whatever raiders did prior to mal is irrelevant because his job was to put a broom through the joint and foster in the next gen. Ditto Eels, Brad had to rebuild the roster from their prior failings however those prior failings were irrelevant to him. His objective was to get the roster right and then start to build. His job would’ve been a bit easier because he didn’t have to have difficult conversations with mates he played alongside with only year prior and then had to tell those same mates that they were washed out and weren’t getting renewed…

their first 5 seasons are still their first 5 season and they both had challenges to overcome and roster refreshing to do.

So now you don't want a like for like comparison.. interesting.

 

[Gobsmacked]

The relative form of the two clubs prior to these coaches taking over points to much bigger, long term structural advantages (or disadvantages) facing the two clubs. There is never a clean slate. Coaches either come into a club set for success or they don’t. It’s why Cleary and Maguire had immediate success at Penrith and Brisbane, because those clubs have recruitment/retention advantages. The same two coaches couldn’t even get Wests into the finals, because the Tigers have structural disadvantages that can’t be solved by coaching.

100% correct. And it paints a very poor picture of Mals ability to attract and retain quality players.

Arthur took a wooden spoon side to a GF.
Mal took a finals side to 13th.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I’m sure Meninga’s a better choice if you're looking for a figurehead, and a brand new club probably is. He’s an immortal. I assume they have spent the money throughout the rest of the organisation to do the day to day football operations.

 

[SirPies&Beers]

So now you don't want a like for like comparison.. interesting.

Lol. I didn’t say that at all. I said


seems you have simple comprehension deficiencies trolly boy. You a moron, yeah?

their first 5 years are still their first 5 years.
Pabs wants to talk about disadvantages but raiders have been at a recruitment disadvantage for decades and id argue By the back end of sheens tenure because Canberra wasn’t appealing to move to as we moved to the mid/late 90s post super league and that’s evidently reflected on the subsequent recruitment. I posted their rosters that pabs reply came from. Look at it yourself.
Raiders never added to that star line up
Of early 90. Mal brought a lot of nex gen through internal juniors to replace out and out legends (which is tapped)

yas wanna talk about context then casually brush this off. Lol

 

[Gobsmacked]

I’m sure Meninga’s a better choice if you're looking for a figurehead, and a brand new club probably is. He’s an immortal. I assume they have spent the money throughout the rest of the organisation to do the day to day football operations.

I disagree, Mal isn't a known figurehead in WA for starters and Craig Bellamy was relatively unknown when he took the job at the Storm.
They need a coach and a dam good one.
I don't think Mal is, I guess we'll see.

 

[SirPies&Beers]

I disagree, Mal isn't a known figurehead in WA for starters and Craig Bellamy was relatively unknown when he took the job at the Storm.
They need a coach and a dam good one.
I don't think Mal is, I guess we'll see.

You’re just another couch pleb like the rest of us with no real rugby league skills or insight outside of watching a few games a week. You honestly wouldn’t know shit what metrics go into it.

great coaches have failed at clubs. Mediocore
Coaches at done well at other clubs. You view seems redundant considering mals record is pretty good and whilst you don’t wanna consider rep footy that’s coaching. If you start to pick and choose to find the negatives, you can equally do the same to find the positives

 

[SirPies&Beers]

100% correct. And it paints a very poor picture of Mals ability to attract and retain quality players.

Arthur took a wooden spoon side to a GF.
Mal took a finals side to 13th.

Incorrect because Brad also had up and down seasons. Mal was also up then down. The overall durations are key because who is to say mal Couldn’t do the same had he done it for another 5 years beyond it? His first 5 years were what they were. Arthur had been there for more than double the time by the time he took a team to a gf. You are skipping statistical context because the stats for what they are 5 years vs 5 years disprove your point and don’t fit your narrative lol

As other posters can said you really aren’t that smart is ya? lol

The relative form of the two clubs prior to these coaches taking over points to much bigger, long term structural advantages (or disadvantages) facing the two clubs. There is never a clean slate. Coaches either come into a club set for success or they don’t. It’s why Cleary and Maguire had immediate success at Penrith and Brisbane, because those clubs have recruitment/retention advantages. The same two coaches couldn’t even get Wests into the finals, because the Tigers have structural disadvantages that can’t be solved by coaching.

No there is never a clean slate but again I argue that tapping legends on the shoulder and letting them go the bringing up young fellas to fill
In their shoes vs doing that to randoms is more difficult for a rookie coach.

I also believe their first 5 years stats are what they are. You can bring prior context to any argument to fit a specific narrative. But it’s irrelevant to what the core argument is and that’s the first 5 years worth of coaching vs first 5 years worth of coaching.

 

[Gobsmacked]

Incorrect because Brad also had up and down seasons. Mal was also up then down. The overall durations are key because who is to say mal Couldn’t do the same had he done it for another 5 years beyond it? His first 5 years were what they were. Arthur had been there for more than double the time by the time he took a team to a gf. You are skipping statistical context because the stats for what they are 5 years vs 5 years disprove your point and don’t fit your narrative lol

As other posters can said you really aren’t that smart is ya? lol

No there is never a clean slate but again I argue that tapping legends on the shoulder and letting them go the bringing up young fellas to fill
In their shoes vs doing that to randoms is more difficult for a rookie coach.

I also believe their first 5 years stats are what they are. You can bring prior context to any argument to fit a specific narrative. But it’s irrelevant to what the core argument is and that’s the first 5 years worth of coaching vs first 5 years worth of coaching.

That time of the month sure does come around fast. Maybe don't post for a few days?

 

[Wb1234]

I’m sure Meninga’s a better choice if you're looking for a figurehead, and a brand new club probably is. He’s an immortal. I assume they have spent the money throughout the rest of the organisation to do the day to day football operations.

Could’ve got an experienced nrl coach like Arthur and would’ve been easier to attract players

 

[Gobsmacked]

Could’ve got an experienced nrl coach like Arthur and would’ve been easier to attract players

They're literally trying to poach Authurs squad at Leeds atm.

 

[SirPies&Beers]

That time of the month sure does come around fast. Maybe don't post for a few days?

funny one but the stats don’t back up ya narrative and never have and even pabs argument, the stats don’t back it up. It’s 5 years coaching footy players vs 5 years coaching footy players both for first time nrl coaches. The data I got is indisputable because that’s the facts, that’s what happened in real time, in the real world. Lol

you can try twist it all ya want but they are what they are and that’s the raw numbers and statistics relevant to what it is.

if you choose to ignore those facts that’s on you trolly boy, you can choose whatever insular words you want but the numbers and stats will always trump them and do not back your opinion up.

All you got is vibe but nothing backs that up no matter how hard your little scrotum brain tries and if anyone shouldn’t post for a few days it’s you trolly boy. Ya shit takes ain’t it cob.

 

[SirPies&Beers]

Could’ve got an experienced nrl coach like Arthur and would’ve been easier to attract players

Says who? It could have equally gotten gone the other way. Y’all wanna talk about context but then keep constantly skipping over the fact it’s a long move away from central family. That was alway gonna be the issue. This has been flagged from the first day here ad nauseam but it’s always convenient to brush it over when it doesn’t suit ya narratives lol.

Posters that know always said in their words it was gonna be a holistic approach. The club even said it before they appointed any coach

I know ya lads got selective memory but cmon at least do ya research before talking shit lol

 

[Wb1234]

Says who? It could have equally gotten gone the other way. Y’all wanna talk about context but then keep constantly skipping over the fact it’s a long move away from central family. That was alway gonna be the issue. This has been flagged from the first day here ad nauseam but it’s always convenient to brush it over when it doesn’t suit ya narratives lol.

Posters that know always said in their words it was gonna be a holistic approach. The club even said it before they appointed any coach

I know ya lads got selective memory but cmon at least do ya research before talking shit lol

Meninga and Gardiner is an awful coaching choice

That’s on Pvl not the club