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1 To 7 Backline - Great or Gun Shy?

Eddie.

Bench
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Obviously I don’t want to jump the gun in regards to Matthew Head. He have seen our man Ronald jump the gun previously. Starting to blabber about a certain player and what he could bring to the side before he realises rent money alone won’t always get the ink on the deal.

Looking at the potential back line next reason, it raises a few eye brows. If we sign Head, on paper alone, things may not be as dark as predicted, in fatc things look pretty damn rosy. 1 to 7 would be choc full of attacking thrust. Getting rid of unthreatening and generally dire players in Morris and Fitzhenry. As well as relegating rubbish like Mcdonnell and Ryan to the reserves.

Looking on the positive side. We would have

· One of the smartest and safest fullbacks in the game. Ability to position himself, chime in at second receiver and kick goals as well as lead from the front with his courage
· Two contrasting Wingers with genuine wingers attributes. Tuiaki with his raw power and ability to act as a man who can get us out of our own 20 early in sets. Youngquest with his sizzling pace and ability to bring down high balls.
· Two of the most exciting young players in the games in the centres. Collis and his ability to put his winger away as well as beat his man. Lawrence and his dynamic speed, hole running and brilliant finishing ability
· Marshall, a man who won us a premiership with freakish long range plays. Head an organising halfback who has a strong left foot kicking game. Allowing Marshall to forget about organising the forwards and steering the side, and get wider and in more open space.

Looking on the negative side of things

· Brett Hodgson for one I have huge question marks over his knees. I love Hodgo, but for all his heart and guts he was awful at times last season. He continued to be safe and smart however the spark was well and truly gone and I fear things are taking their toll
· Tuiaki may be shifted to the forwards. Could be a man easy to turn around with long kicks and target with high balls. Youngquest has seemingly gone mising at a few clubs. Witha 1 year deal he will be feeling the pressure to perform immediately.
· Chris Lawrence is an attacking weapon. However massive question makrs over his ability to defend at centre. The likes of Puletua and Menzies made him look absolutely foolish on occasions last season. I Don't blame him i blame the coaching staff for exposing him like that.
· Benji Marshall probably has even more question marks then these two combined. Has barely fired a shot since 2005, except to go down with 3 more shoulder injuries. Looked completely gun shy defensively and was carrying the body language of a deflated and beaten player in the last 8 games of 2007. His eorror rate in attack and dfense was embarrassing and the Tigers were a worse side with him in there in 07
· Matthew head has worse knee problems then Brett Hodgson. He was off the pace in 2007, unwilling to take the line on, poor in defence and looked slow and tired. Younger Saints players also complained about his poor attitude he bought to reserve grade games when dropped. Essentially saying he was a big head

So Which one is it? Do we have a gun attacking back line with all the strike and guile in the world? Or will be have a beat up back line incapable of dealing with stronger and bigger sides and more fragile then a Royce Simmons witches hat?
 

Steve Austin

Juniors
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53
Eddie. said:
Obviously I don’t want to jump the gun in regards to Matthew Head. He have seen our man Ronald jump the gun previously. Starting to blabber about a certain player and what he could bring to the side before he realises rent money alone won’t always get the ink on the deal.

Looking at the potential back line next reason, it raises a few eye brows. If we sign Head, on paper alone, things may not be as dark as predicted, in fatc things look pretty damn rosy. 1 to 7 would be choc full of attacking thrust. Getting rid of unthreatening and generally dire players in Morris and Fitzhenry. As well as relegating rubbish like Mcdonnell and Ryan to the reserves.

Looking on the positive side. We would have

· One of the smartest and safest fullbacks in the game. Ability to position himself, chime in at second receiver and kick goals as well as lead from the front with his courage
· Two contrasting Wingers with genuine wingers attributes. Tuiaki with his raw power and ability to act as a man who can get us out of our own 20 early in sets. Youngquest with his sizzling pace and ability to bring down high balls.
· Two of the most exciting young players in the games in the centres. Collis and his ability to put his winger away as well as beat his man. Lawrence and his dynamic speed, hole running and brilliant finishing ability
· Marshall, a man who won us a premiership with freakish long range plays. Head an organising halfback who has a strong left foot kicking game. Allowing Marshall to forget about organising the forwards and steering the side, and get wider and in more open space.

Looking on the negative side of things

· Brett Hodgson for one I have huge question marks over his knees. I love Hodgo, but for all his heart and guts he was awful at times last season. He continued to be safe and smart however the spark was well and truly gone and I fear things are taking their toll
· Tuiaki may be shifted to the forwards. Could be a man easy to turn around with long kicks and target with high balls. Youngquest has seemingly gone mising at a few clubs. Witha 1 year deal he will be feeling the pressure to perform immediately.
· Chris Lawrence is an attacking weapon. However massive question makrs over his ability to defend at centre. The likes of Puletua and Menzies made him look absolutely foolish on occasions last season. I Don't blame him i blame the coaching staff for exposing him like that.
· Benji Marshall probably has even more question marks then these two combined. Has barely fired a shot since 2005, except to go down with 3 more shoulder injuries. Looked completely gun shy defensively and was carrying the body language of a deflated and beaten player in the last 8 games of 2007. His eorror rate in attack and dfense was embarrassing and the Tigers were a worse side with him in there in 07
· Matthew head has worse knee problems then Brett Hodgson. He was off the pace in 2007, unwilling to take the line on, poor in defence and looked slow and tired. Younger Saints players also complained about his poor attitude he bought to reserve grade games when dropped. Essentially saying he was a big head

So Which one is it? Do we have a gun attacking back line with all the strike and guile in the world? Or will be have a beat up back line incapable of dealing with stronger and bigger sides and more fragile then a Royce Simmons witches hat?

It's quite interesting to see some of the potential Tigers backlines thrown up for next year.

Several have Chris Lawrence in the centres??

I don't know what games they were watching this year but fom what I saw he made a carpark speedhump look like Nathan Hindmarsh on speed.

Hopefully it's only a confidence/technique issue but at this stage I don't think he's up to it.
 

The Tax Man

Juniors
Messages
74
With the signing of Youngquest and the re-signing of McDonnell in addition to Lawrence, Ryan, etc I would say that Tuiaki is almost definitely going to be playing in the forwards this upcoming season.

Lawrence is a waste on the wing, dont know what game you are watching if you have not seen him break the line from the centres.
 

scarcev

Juniors
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225
Wow finally an honest assessment of Marshall on a forum. I agree we were a worst side WITH him last year than we were without him. Its a big year for Marshall, if he doesnt perform or gets hurt he's pretty much on the scrapheap as his contract is up.

Head would be a great signing giving us depth inthe halves, allowing Morris to move to 14, I reckon he looks a lot like a Wing style utility and with less interchanges next year this is going to be a valuable position to fill.
 

madunit

Super Moderator
Staff member
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62,358
the problem with every single player you listed in that backline (except for Tuiaki), that worries me the most is their very poor defence.
 

super_coach

First Grade
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5,061
hey Eddie good post, bottom line Head and Youngquest take one hand off the spoon and maybe better. I now feel a little better re 2008, allthough dont really expexct to much. How do you get to post such negativety without being censored like me
 

super_coach

First Grade
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Madnut--you know on talk back radio where theirs a five second delay, so they can censor the call, well on another board it seems Iam on a five hour delay where my well chosen words go before the Mod Squad for approval. But I know its not policy to bag other boards --So rather than upset anyone I will leave it a that
 

Eddie.

Bench
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4,188
hahahahah, the Mod sqaud

Coach, you can imagine some of the "meeting of the minds" that transpires daily at Orange Grove Public. Especially in late Novemeber when the latest crayons come across ther market in anticipation of a new season. There pretty powerful and busy people these Mod Sqauders.

Just make a couple of token positive posts about Fitzhenry's contribution to the club and John Morris's charity work and you should be let off the leash in a couple of weeks.
 
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Old super and Eddie still disseminating their brand of negativity. I remember when I'd submit commentaries to the Oberon local rag and they was always published without censorship. All you need to do it lavish praise on a man who averages 6.5 yards a hitup or in modern parlance, 6 metres.
 

alien

Referee
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20,279
i think if we sign head then our backline will be very good aslong as we dont get injuries

1. HODGSON
2. LAWRENCE
3. COLLIS
4. YOUNGQUEST
5. TUIAKI
6. MARSHALL
7. HEAD
 

bling_fc

Juniors
Messages
598
alien said:
i think if we sign head then our backline will be very good aslong as we dont get injuries

1. HODGSON
2. LAWRENCE
3. COLLIS
4. YOUNGQUEST
5. TUIAKI
6. MARSHALL
7. HEAD


Youngquest will not be playing centre
 

alien

Referee
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20,279
bling_fc said:
Ah cause he is a winger and his style suits that if they want to change that then go ahead

But he can also play in the centres or at fullback
 

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