14 six again restarts against the Dragons

[muzby]

This is beside the point; it's about the rule and not just Saints games. No one knows why the whistle is blown, whether for or against your own team, which used to be the common complaint about rugby.

It’s given for ruck infringements.

Brought in because players were being coached ways to slow down the play the ball to give them an unfair advantage.

So when 6 again is awarded, it’s due to ill discipline.

Be a well drilled team and don’t give them away.

 

[Reddragon]

It’s given for ruck infringements.

Brought in because players were being coached ways to slow down the play the ball to give them an unfair advantage.

So when 6 again is awarded, it’s due to ill discipline.

Be a well drilled team and don’t give them away.

That's the principle behind it and I agree, but the interpretation is often confounding.
Also you could never have an NRL match in which one team gets penalised 14-0 even if it was warranted.
It would mean refereeing determines the result, not the players.

 

[Gareth67]

This has all the hallmarks of Greg Hartley !

 

[kit66]

Last year we were either the least or second least side penalized under the new rule, so hopefully our top squad can retain that discipline.
The rule itself, while having good intentions, is at risk of being over-prescribed by the refs to the point where it defies the natural dynamics of tackling e.g sometimes there will be hands on the ball to stop an off-load and not a deliberate slow-down, bodies will get tangled, multiple tacklers roll off one by one etc.
What they need to penalize ( 6 again ) is deliberate wrestle, second tackles and laying about in the play the ball ( the way Storm players manage to do every 5th tackle ) and not try to artificially speed up the game by penalizing everything just for the sake of a " crackdown ". - see early 2018's 20+ penalties a game.

 

[muzby]

That's the principle behind it and I agree, but the interpretation is often confounding.
Also you could never have an NRL match in which one team gets penalised 14-0 even if it was warranted.
It would mean refereeing determines the result, not the players.

I disagree.

If there was a 14-0 penalty count and it was warranted, that comes down to the penalised team losing the game, not the referee deciding it.

Look back to the glory years under the sunshine of Wayne.. We had a well disciplined side there. Part of why we would always grind out a win was by not giving away field position or possession with silly penalties

 

[muzby]

Last year we were either the least or second least side penalized under the new rule, so hopefully our top squad can retain that discipline.
The rule itself, while having good intentions, is at risk of being over-prescribed by the refs to the point where it defies the natural dynamics of tackling e.g sometimes there will be hands on the ball to stop an off-load and not a deliberate slow-down, bodies will get tangled, multiple tacklers roll off one by one etc.
What they need to penalize ( 6 again ) is deliberate wrestle, second tackles and laying about in the play the ball ( the way Storm players manage to do every 5th tackle ) and not try to artificially speed up the game by penalizing everything just for the sake of a " crackdown ". - see early 2018's 20+ penalties a game.

Where it could be improved would be via a short warning immediately before calling 6 again.

Eg if it’s hands in the ruck, call it, and if the hand doesn’t move immediately, give the 6 again.

Would give a better indication of what it was for, plus may also help the refs to realise it may be time for a penalty if they’re constantly calling out the same infringement

 

[st.phil]

refs are also Australians (aka maniacally driven / get great joy out of enforcing rules)

The principle of the rule is fine but commonly the refs don't have the greatest feel for the games and will inevitably apply 6 again inconsistently. There is no spotlight on the indiv 6 agains so limited pressure / review. On the whole - I'm not that into it

 

[redv13]

14-0 6 again restarts.... I’d love to see the refs have the balls to pull that crap in a premiership game. Impossible and will never happen again

 

[boardlumps62]

We certainly defended like we were playing touch last year

That's what happens when you get tired. And I'm already tired of the Six Again Rule. They are driving people away from the sport. I find I only bother to watch Dragons matches. I've lost the need to view other matches because of the rule changes.

 

[denis preston]

To me six again is a bullshit rule. But who am I to say when it seems accepted by those in charge of NRL, the coaches and even Freddie and Gus.
It's taken the game away from its roots and moved it closer to Touch

So you would rather wrestling in the ruck ?

 

[rasaint]

Whether it is our team or another on the end of a lop sided penalty / 6 again / count I don’t like it. It breeds suspicion of bias. Rugby League is a game without
‘ complete ‘ resetting of teams after each tackle. Therefore it is easy to literally blow a penalty or 6 again each tackle. Now with 6 again there is little scrutiny or explanation to fans. Possible to 6 again on 1 st or 5 th it’s the new lucky dip. It’s going to be ugly this year. Hope I’m wrong.

 

[This Year?]

Poor discipline?

Get the f**k out of here with your sensible, yet simple and direct answer.

For the people that will reply and say Parra did it too, I will say this: We were doing our best with spoiling tactics like 2nd efforts and hand on the ball because of the Eels winning the ruck.
The reason why the Eels were able to get away with holding down because we simply submitted in tackles.
If it was the same ref the entire game I'd understand, but we were completely outplayed.

 

[R&WTILLIDIE]

It’s given for ruck infringements.

Brought in because players were being coached ways to slow down the play the ball to give them an unfair advantage.

So when 6 again is awarded, it’s due to ill discipline.

Be a well drilled team and don’t give them away.

If Saints got 14 the other night, Then Melbourne should get around 50 on average per game.

 

[Miller was a legend]

Get the f**k out of here with your sensible, yet simple and direct answer.

For the people that will reply and say Parra did it too, I will say this: We were doing our best with spoiling tactics like 2nd efforts and hand on the ball because of the Eels winning the ruck.
The reason why the Eels were able to get away with holding down because we simply submitted in tackles.
If it was the same ref the entire game I'd understand, but we were completely outplayed.

I didn’t want to be seen as too critical, being a Sharks supporter. I also know what it’s like having other fans bag your team / players when things go sour.

Having said that, it was a trial and Hook is no dummy. He has given nothing away on how he intends to play new dragon footy. Who cares if it s a belting, round 1 and onward is all that matters. Also he is no Mary, he won’t have the team firing from round 1 to 10 then start dying in the arse! Quite the opposite I reckon

 

[since77]

There was 1 six again call made yesterday where the tackle hadn’t even been finished. Parra player was still standing AND moving. It’s getting crazy

 

[blacksafake]

Could Hook have possibly ignored focusing on this rule for the trials to see how some players react in such situations.
Just a thought

 

[kit66]

The more I see of the new rules the less I like them. I just read that Off-side will also be a 6 again infringement and also not square at marker I think. Last nights game was really fast but they had unlimited interchange ( correct me if I'm wrong ). I can see some issues with the new rule in fatigue related injury, higher tension on the field and more fights as well as a higher rate of player burnout. Teams also will have their game plans derailed if their discipline isn't 100%.
If the refs start with a big crackdown but then ease up for the rest of the season then fair enough I guess but don't want to see any more debacles like the Dragons vs Parra trial with a 10-0 6 Agains in just the first half, which included 3 in one set.

 

[George Sancti]

The smart coaches will be working overtime with their advisors on how to work the new rules to their advantage. I would wager that of all the teams during the early rounds, Melbourne will find ways to come out on top, with the majority of 6 again infringements going against their opposition.

 

[kit66]

The smart coaches will be working overtime with their advisors on how to work the new rules to their advantage. I would wager that of all the teams during the early rounds, Melbourne will find ways to come out on top, with the majority of 6 again infringements going against their opposition.

Yeah and I meant to mention milking, we'll see a lot more of that, I'm sure the Storm are working out some milking drills as we speak.

 

[BLM01]

The more I see of the new rules the less I like them. I just read that Off-side will also be a 6 again infringement and also not square at marker I think. Last nights game was really fast but they had unlimited interchange ( correct me if I'm wrong ). I can see some issues with the new rule in fatigue related injury, higher tension on the field and more fights as well as a higher rate of player burnout. Teams also will have their game plans derailed if their discipline isn't 100%.
If the refs start with a big crackdown but then ease up for the rest of the season then fair enough I guess but don't want to see any more debacles like the Dragons vs Parra trial with a 10-0 6 Agains in just the first half, which included 3 in one set.

Hook said it was 7-1 against at half time..and then we got 1 or 2 in the 2nd half
It shows at least we did get on the scoreboard