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14 Team SL and Merged Championship?

Perth Red

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No I’m not. The bottom of Super League has had clubs that are some way off the pace of the middling teams (let alone the decent sides) for years.

Part-time London and Hull in 2023, Wakefield in 2022, Toulouse in 2021, Toronto in 2020, London in 2019, Widnes in 2018, it’s an extensive list of clubs that have been in Super League and have been some way off the pace of most sides. Chucking in two/three more to push the rubbish we do have slightly up is like trying to put out a fire by chucking lighter fluid on top.

The literal last thing we need is more clubs. The vast majority of RL fans in the UK, the bodies on the ground, the people who turn out week in, week out, think this. You are very much in the minority here.
Seems the clubs agree with me lol and looking on social media the fans are largely in favour of a 14 club comp, most think like I do that they’d be better giving the new clubs a year to get ready rather than 2026 but I’ve seen very few who don’t want rid of loop fixtures and most prefer a 14 team comp.

salford are an anomaly this year. Do comps often have a weak bottom of table? Yes that’s why those clubs are at the bottom! This year is particularly unusual due to Salfords financial situation. Hell it’s not like the much heralded nrl hasn’t had wests tigers stinking up the comp for a number of years!

can’t wait to see York in and what they can do to take the next step, can’t wait to see if having Toulouse in helps French rugby league, can’t wait to see if Bradford can reclaim former glory. But that’s just me as a rugby league fan who enjoys the game.
 

Leighton Rhino

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My hope is that this is a house of cards and the Wigan’s, two Hull’s and Catalans’ are the driving force behind a breakaway with the NRL. If one of the Hull’s want a 10 team comp (hopefully under the NRL), the other side aren’t going to vote to lose their biggest income generating fixture(s) of the year, Wigan were behind the Super League getting on the Vegas card and if they’re all for a breakaway, if you’re St Helens, you’re going to need to follow and if those two go, Warrington follow. Catalans will vote for an NRL breakaway and suddenly you have 6 teams pulling away and once the big hitters go, it’s Leeds, Wakefield, Toulouse, London and pretty much everyone else desperate to follow.
You suggesting Leeds aren't a big hitter with this?

Also where have you got this information about the six teams wanting to break away or is it as you say a hope?
 

Taking The Two

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You suggesting Leeds aren't a big hitter with this?

Also where have you got this information about the six teams wanting to break away or is it as you say a hope?

Well, they’re certainly not onfield.

I hope it happens and a house of cards effect occurs. Once a couple show interest, I hope the rest would follow but that said, I hoped most would have seen through Wood (tough, I know with him being 25 stone) but that didn’t happen.
 

Taking The Two

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!!

We beat KR away 2 weeks ago!

Have a sneaking feeling also we'll be at OT and then winning things from next year

The sleeping giant has had a rest....the old play off specialist mode activated

Yeah, I don’t share that. Leigh and KR are both very good and I fancy them to be in the Grand Final and sadly, I always think Wigan can do it because they have that big game experience.
 

Taking The Two

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Seems the clubs agree with me lol and looking on social media the fans are largely in favour of a 14 club comp, most think like I do that they’d be better giving the new clubs a year to get ready rather than 2026 but I’ve seen very few who don’t want rid of loop fixtures and most prefer a 14 team comp.

salford are an anomaly this year. Do comps often have a weak bottom of table? Yes that’s why those clubs are at the bottom! This year is particularly unusual due to Salfords financial situation. Hell it’s not like the much heralded nrl hasn’t had wests tigers stinking up the comp for a number of years!

can’t wait to see York in and what they can do to take the next step, can’t wait to see if having Toulouse in helps French rugby league, can’t wait to see if Bradford can reclaim former glory. But that’s just me as a rugby league fan who enjoys the game.

the clubs that have led the sport to the arse end of oblivion? The ones who didn’t bother telling Sky, the major TV broadcaster and financier of the sport and have basically pissed up the wall the Sport England grants because Sport England cannot stand Nigel Wood, a man hounded out of the sport by the clubs, who has since been brought back in by the same clubs. You mean those clubs?! Yeah, they’re the bastions of cleverness and superb decisions.

Fans are raging about this. Let’s not blatantly lie. Social media is awash with people upset that we’re expanding the competition to fit in certain clubs that have lerched from bankruptcy to bankruptcy but yeah, apart from all of those people, everyone is happy. Oh, and at least two Head Coaches of clubs, whose bosses voted yes. But yeah, mega this move.
 

Perth Red

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the clubs that have led the sport to the arse end of oblivion? The ones who didn’t bother telling Sky, the major TV broadcaster and financier of the sport and have basically pissed up the wall the Sport England grants because Sport England cannot stand Nigel Wood, a man hounded out of the sport by the clubs, who has since been brought back in by the same clubs. You mean those clubs?! Yeah, they’re the bastions of cleverness and superb decisions.

Fans are raging about this. Let’s not blatantly lie. Social media is awash with people upset that we’re expanding the competition to fit in certain clubs that have lerched from bankruptcy to bankruptcy but yeah, apart from all of those people, everyone is happy. Oh, and at least two Head Coaches of clubs, whose bosses voted yes. But yeah, mega this move.
You’re conflating peoples conspiracy theories about wood and the bulls with peoples desire to see a 14 team comp. the vast majority think a 14 team comp and no loop fixtures is a good idea.

im hopeful having York, Bradford and Toulouse (if rumours are to be believed) in SL will provide long term benefits.
 

Jonty

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You’re conflating peoples conspiracy theories about wood and the bulls with peoples desire to see a 14 team comp. the vast majority think a 14 team comp and no loop fixtures is a good idea.

im hopeful having York, Bradford and Toulouse (if rumours are to be believed) in SL will provide long term benefits.
Are you choosing York, Toulouse and Bradford because they are currently the top 3 teams in the championship?
 

Taking The Two

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You’re conflating peoples conspiracy theories about wood and the bulls with peoples desire to see a 14 team comp. the vast majority think a 14 team comp and no loop fixtures is a good idea.

im hopeful having York, Bradford and Toulouse (if rumours are to be believed) in SL will provide long term benefits.

No, I’m not. I’m reading multiple leading RL journalists here questioning the move because of the financial effects that it’s causing (the Sky deal/Sport England), I’m reading fan opinion on social media and forums and I’m reading what coaches and pundits are saying.

The literal only reason that people think this is a good idea is no loop games. That’s it. Literally that is all.
 

Perth Red

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Are you choosing York, Toulouse and Bradford because they are currently the top 3 teams in the championship?
Combination of img scores last year, performance this year and likely financial backing to be able to play in 2026 with no grant.

We do have two wildcards in london and Oldham.

I think it’s a year too. Early for London in terms of getting the investors on board and the club rebuilt . Oldham have a very decent 13k stadium but don’t know how deep The pockets of their owners are.
 

Perth Red

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No, I’m not. I’m reading multiple leading RL journalists here questioning the move because of the financial effects that it’s causing (the Sky deal/Sport England), I’m reading fan opinion on social media and forums and I’m reading what coaches and pundits are saying.

The literal only reason that people think this is a good idea is no loop games. That’s it. Literally that is all.
No you really are, even if loops are the main reason people are in favour, they are still in favour lol

most think it’s a good idea but feel it’s been rushed and should be for 2027, and the tin foil brigade believe it’s a major conspiracy by wood to get Bradford back in SL. Beyond that the majority of SL clubs want 14 clubs and the majority of fans do. So
 

Taking The Two

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No you really are, even if loops are the main reason people are in favour, they are still in favour lol

most think it’s a good idea but feel it’s been rushed and should be for 2027, and the tin foil brigade believe it’s a major conspiracy by wood to get Bradford back in SL. Beyond that the majority of SL clubs want 14 clubs and the majority of fans do. So

The number of people in favour is dwarved by the people that think this is madness for any number of reasons that have became clear as this week has rolled on. I'm not wholly against 14 - I am right now because its about as far off where we need to be as a comp from a fans perspective and also a business perspective, I'm not against expansion nor the need to grow markets but the way in which this has been executed is awful and I hope dearly that this is sacked off immediately, though I know that I will only have to deal with two seasons of this facade before we go back to 12 and P&R/Licencing/Super 8's/A closed shop/whatever combination of these things painted as "new", as that's the rugby league way. The few labelling this great because they're swapping playing some teams 3 times for 4 games against cannon fodder will have changed their tune in two years' time and they'll vote for the next Monorail led by whatever Lyle Lanley that rocks up, be it someone new or someone old.

The reason people feel its a conspiracy is because of the look. The feel is so off with this that it leads to people fanning the flames of conspiracy theories and feel as though that this is going to be a process created to suit certain applicants over others. Plus the fact credible RL journalists here are hearing this will be the case as well, so there's that also. IMG's gradings is fine for the twelve in Super League but Teams 13 and 14 are to be judged by a set of criteria led by a person who is being appointed by a former chairmen of one club and another applicants next CEO has voted this in too. It gives such a bad image off, the optics on this are so bad. Any return of Bradford and/or London, whether justified or not, is going to be under immense scrutiny and cause outrage and I get it.

It's been nothing short of a PR disaster, so far. The whole debacle with Sky so close to negotiations for a new deal is almost criminal really from a set of club owners who are deemed successful businessmen, the Sport England financial loss should have been factored in long ago and the way in which this is going to be decided is going to be another can of worms that rugby league could really do without. I think its telling as well that, as yet, nobody who has voted (either way) has came out and said anything. Nothing in Eamonn McManus' programme notes tonight at Saints, despite him banging the drum for Wood's return, nothing from either Hull's who rejected it and nothing from the usually media friendly Wigan or Warrington clubs. The relationship with the NRL is basically dead, too. They won't deal with Wood, they've made that clear. That's the biggest Rugby League competition on the planet and Sport England that don't want any business with Wood and Sky royally pissed off and looking at a £500,000 bill to show random games of rugby league that aren't likely to score well in viewership for them compared to a third installment of a Wigan v Saints, Leeds v Saints, Warrington v Wigan, Hull FC v KR etc.

I genuinely don't know how anyone can look at this week and think the execution has been anything other than a disgrace.
 

Perth Red

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The question now becomes who will score enough img points to get 12 th spot and which two clubs can put forward a compelling business case to give the panel the confidence they are viable and will add value to SL.
 

NRLMad

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I don’t think we will have an issue with getting players in the future. With the nrl becoming a behemoth they will generate 1000s more players over the next 10 years. They’ll travel if they can’t make the nrl.
 

Jonty

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I don’t think we will have an issue with getting players in the future. With the nrl becoming a behemoth they will generate 1000s more players over the next 10 years. They’ll travel if they can’t make the nrl.
PNG will be a huge growth market for producing players as will Western Australia, Victoria, NZ and Fiji.
 

Taking The Two

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I don’t think we will have an issue with getting players in the future. With the nrl becoming a behemoth they will generate 1000s more players over the next 10 years. They’ll travel if they can’t make the nrl.

Which has a detrimental effect on the international game in the UK because we’re jumping from 84 to 140 quota spots next year and we will have utter dross over here. Shite like Joe Stimson, Sylvester Namo, Matt Frawley, Waqa Blake, Franklin Pele, Jayden Okunbor and Roderick Tai have no place in Super League as it is, let alone this watered down crap we’re having forced on us next year.
 

Gobsmacked

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PNG will be a huge growth market for producing players as will Western Australia, Victoria, NZ and Fiji.
Victoria and Western Australia has potential as AFL has a more specific body type. There's plenty of young talent in those states that will be overlooked on height alone.

The Storm and Bears should have scouts in the AFL pathways.
 
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