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2011 WC. Where?

gunnamatta bay

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A newly elected mayor of Auckland wants to withdraw all funding from the redevelopment of Eden Park. Is this the final nail in the coffin for NZ hosting the 2011 WC?

So far planning has been a total disaster.

John O'Neil must be eyeing this development or should I say lack of development.


http://www.stuff.co.nz/4237472a10.html
 

gunnamatta bay

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The NZRU should have voted for Japan who already have magnificent stadiums. Instead they continue to snipe at the ARU who had the vision to see a Japan/Asian WC would have been best for the game.
 

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Japan can;t even win a pool match, why do they deserve hosting rights?

Auckland is a f**king embarassment though, the other cities in NZ can get their stadiums sorted but despite being 3 times the size Auckland still can't get it's sh*t together. Still I don't think 30M in funding is that critical, I suspect the govt or the NZRFU will pony up the cash if the council doesn't.
 

Dr Crane

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It's now a world class event and it's being run like the local chook raffle.

Screw off.
 

Lego_Man

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I dont want to pay for the f**king stadium. think about it, if auckland ratepayers had to cough up 50 million, theyd be paying twice - once through their rates, and then again through their taxes. Auckland city rates are ridiculous enough without adding the expenditure on something michael cullen should be paying for with his 8.6 billion dollar surplus. Go Banks. Oh yeah, and the government are tossers anyway for insisting on the cut-corners plan for eden park. Typical NZ mentality to go for the cheap and nasty short-term solution, then a few years down the track wish youd spent a bit more money and done it properly. Harbour Bride is a case in point, as is our rail infrastructure.
 

SpaceMonkey

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The govt should have had the nuts to front up the cash for the watrerfront stadium and then told all the detractors to piss off, once the dust settled you'd be left with a decent national stadium. Look at what Wellington did with the Caketin, why Auckland can't manage with 3 times the population I don't know. Eden Park is and always will be a dog.
 

Te Kaha

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The World cup in 2011 WILL be held in NZ alone... Eden park WILL be redeveloped to host the Semis and Final... Auckland WILL stump up most of the cash... at the moment Banksy is just grandstanding.... there will be an "accomadation" within the month...
 

gunnamatta bay

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SpaceMonkey said:
Japan can;t even win a pool match, why do they deserve hosting rights?

Auckland is a f**king embarassment though, the other cities in NZ can get their stadiums sorted but despite being 3 times the size Auckland still can't get it's sh*t together. Still I don't think 30M in funding is that critical, I suspect the govt or the NZRFU will pony up the cash if the council doesn't.

It would have been perfect spacey and given the game a big kick along in Asia especially Japan where all the infrastructure is already in place. TV times would be very friendly too.

more doom and gloom:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/4/story.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10471006
 

shiznit

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lol... doom?? dont worry you little head about it GB.....

if worse comes to worse the govt will stump up for it.....
 

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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/event/story.cfm?c_id=522&objectid=10471618


Rugby: UK journo tells NZ to learn some manners5:55PM Tuesday October 23, 2007

The rugby writer for Britain's Daily Telegraph has fired a volley at New Zealand saying it may have to loosen up and have a bit of grace and generosity to mount a successful 2011 Rugby World Cup.
Writing a blog for the influential www.telegraph.co.uk
he said that France could be proud of the way it organised the Rugby World Cup, which ended on Sunday morning with a victory to the Springboks over 2003 champions England.
"It has been wholly welcoming and inclusive, as Australia and Australians were four years ago," wrote Cleary.
But he then added that New Zealand had a tough act to follow.
The Irish-born Cleary, who lists his favourite event to cover as the Tour de France and says his favourite moment was the English triumph in 2003, said no-one doubts the beauty of the New Zealand setting or that a major rugby country should host the seventh World Cup.
But he adds: "What one does have doubts over is its capacity to be broad-minded and all-embracing, to be generous not just in its simple gestures, for as the Lions tour in 2005 showed that is not in question, but in its ability to see beyond the All Blacks.
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"RWC 2011 in New Zealand is about involving the entire rugby community not just providing a stage for an All Black triumph.
"The sneering tone of many commentaries from New Zealand, its undisguised contempt for English rugby, suggest that they may have to loosen up, learn some manners and live life with a bit of grace and generosity if RWC 2011 is to emulate this tournament."
In a separate blog, he called for the IRB to give the 2015 Rugby World Cup to Japan.
"The big boys have had it long enough. Time to get on the move."
The Irish Independent, meanwhile, highlights comments by NZ's Martin Snedden who is promoting the 2011 Rugby World Cup, calling them disturbing.
Writing in the Independent, rugby writer Tony Ward says the IRB needs to nurture the smaller rugby-playing nations not shut them out of the next Cup with a reduced 16-team format, down from the 20 in France.
But points to a comment by Snedden: "What we have seen this tournament is that two teams (New Zealand and Australia) have romped through easy pools and it has not prepared them rugby-wise for knock-out games. We want to change that."
Writes Ward: "If that doesn't tell you everything you need to know about the blinkered self-serving motivation around the table of power then I don't know what does. What Snedden and the New Zealand Union are suggesting is the jettisoning of four developing nations for the greater good of the All Blacks and Wallabies. It says it all."
- NZHERALD STAFF
 

shiznit

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i actually agree... the french people really embraced the tournoment. so did australia in 2003. theres no doubt NZ will get behind the ab's but i hope we get behind the minnows too. also the fact that we boo any time someone takes a shot at goal or drop kick is also seen as disrespectfull.

ohhh well.... 4 years to get it right...
 

shiznit

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they actually have a point. we tend to think the game lives and dies in NZ. when in reality the biggest market for RU is in the NH. thats why massive multinational companies like Adidas sponsor our rugby. thats also why we play all our test matches at night. even though its in our best interest to play in tha day. because the sponsors want there product projected into the masive european market.

watching 36,000 fans turn up to cheer Georgia VS Romania in a pretty boring game of football made me realise how insignificant the NZ and AUS markets are.

we have clowns on here comparing RU & RL in our area... what a joke... the NZ & AUS markets are probably less than 35% of the total RU market. comparing both sports on a total scale would be like comparing RWC07 VS RLWC08.... theres no comparison...
 

shiznit

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ohhh and it seems its not all doom and gloom on the eden park front...

from:http://www.nzherald.co.nz/event/story.cfm?c_id=522&objectid=10471928&pnum=0

Eden Park game plan needed to reach goal

5:00AM Thursday October 25, 2007
By Bernard Orsman

Upgrading Eden Park is progressing with all the momentum of a disorganised rolling maul. The goal line is in sight but there is no visible game plan.​

Two years since Eden Park was pencilled in as the premier venue for the 2011 Rugby World Cup, the mish-mash of stands is still that.​

What's more, the public do not know who is going to pick up the $190 million bill to meet the International Rugby Board's requirement of a 60,000-seat stadium for the final on October 23 in four years' time.​

Everyone involved in the cup planning, from Rugby World Cup Minister Trevor Mallard to Rugby New Zealand 2011 chief executive Martin Sneddon and Eden Park redevelopment board chief executive Adam Feeley, say the Eden Park upgrade is on track.

Mr Snedden says the design has been approved by all the relevant parties and more than complies with the host agreement obligations. Work is under way to develop construction plans and appoint a contractor.

Mr Snedden said because the Government had promised to underwrite the $190 million bill, "funding of the redevelopment costs is not an issue".
"That underwrite will be sufficient to enable the project to proceed," he said.

In other words, the project is not dependent on funding from local councils and the Auckland Regional Council. New Auckland City Mayor John Banks has promised to pull a $30 million ratepayers' contribution towards the upgrade but is comfortable with $21 million to improve infrastructure in the precincts of Eden Park. New North Shore Mayor Andrew Williams has also ruled out a contribution and the Auckland Regional Council's focus is on providing electric trains by 2011.​

The Rugby Union has committed $10 million to the upgrade and the Eden Park Trust Board has talked of putting in $60 million.
Mr Feeley says preliminary designs for Eden Park are only weeks away. The Herald understands the cost of the upgrade has risen and a "value management" workshop will require a number of trade-offs.​

What is known is that the upgrade involves a new south stand and temporary seating to increase the current capacity of 46,000 seats to 60,000.
Mr Mallard and the trust board in May announced plans for a new permanent south stand with 22,200 seats. The stand will have 52 corporate boxes and new media and player facilities.​

One idea being considered is a deeper roof for the south stand to provide an extra 2000 covered seats.
The May plan calls for the Panasonic and eastern terraces to be overlaid with 17,400 temporary seats and another 2500 temporary seats above the existing 4300 seats on the west stand.​

With transport planners expecting 15,000 people to arrive at the ground by train and 18,000 by buses and coaches, plans are under way for upgrading Kingsland railway station and building a bus transport hub, off Sandringham Rd, south of the No 2 ground.
Eden Park Neighbours' Association president Mark Donnelly said an independent report by an engineering firm, Connell Wagner, showed 45 properties would be affected by the latest plan. The report recommends financial contributions of between $1500 and $5000 for mitigation costs.​

The council is giving little away about how it will spend $21 million on improvements around the park. It is waiting for the preliminary design before deciding what to commit to.​

These four rugby grounds host test rugby. How will they be placed come 2011?

Waikato Stadium
Hamilton is ready and waiting for rugby World Cup 2011.
A substantial upgrade of the old Rugby Park began in 2000, and saw the hallowed ground reborn in 2002 as Waikato Stadium. A new grandstand and other redevelopment means Hamilton now has a modern, international-standard rugby ground which holds 25,800 people, with the flexibility to push that to 30,000 for test matches.​

There are no plans to expand the capacity of the ground for the Rugby World Cup, but stadium management and Hamilton City Council are discussing possible upgrades in and around the stadium.​

AMI Stadium
The ground traditionalists still call Lancaster Park underwent a major revamp some years ago, which saw the north, south and west sides of the ground transformed.​

The Paul Kelly Stand, named after a car firm, offers one of the best rugby-watching vantage points in the country from the western side of the ground. Time has been called on the three stands on the eastern side of the ground, which are about to be replaced with a slightly smaller version of the Paul Kelly stand - a project which would expand the ground's capacity by 5000, to 41,000.​

AMI Stadium has also offered itself as a fall-back proposition if the redevelopment of Eden Park does not go ahead.​

The $60 million project is being underwritten by Christchurch City Council and is being paid for out of debt funding, to be met from stadium revenues over the next 20 years.​

Demolition of the east stands begins on November 11, with construction scheduled to begin on July 11. All going according to plan, the new stand will be open in time for the 2011 Super 14.​

Westpac Stadium
Wellington also boasts a relatively new ground, one which has a proven track record of hosting international sporting events.​

Westpac Stadium - popularly known as the Cake Tin - has a standard capacity of 34,500, although this can be increased to 39,000 if temporary seating is added.​

Opened in 2000, chief executive David Gray says the stadium needs little work to get it ready for Rugby World Cup 2011.​

The stadium's capital expenditure programme will be ramped up slightly, with $8 million to be spent on installing a second replay screen, upgrading food and beverage areas, putting in a second lift and upgrading media facilities.​

Carisbrook
The Carisbrook Stadium Trust is preparing a multimillion-dollar transformation of the ground into a community educational and sporting facility. For $188 million, a joint venture between the Stadium Trust and the University of Otago will create a roofed, 30,000 capacity stadium.​

However, several hurdles have to cleared before Carisbrook can be confirmed as a Rugby World Cup venue. Land for the project needs to be bought, and Dunedin City Council will need to approve a district plan change to accommodate the revamp.​

The council will also need to approve its $79.9 million contribution to the project, and funding is also being sought from the Otago Regional Council ($37.5 million) and gaming trusts ($10 million). The trust hopes to raise another $45 million from the private and corporate sector, and the university is also contributing to shared costs.​
 

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