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2015 NBA Playoffs

betcats

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Or you could look at it the other way and say the Cavs largely played like shit and still were within a basket/Lebron turnover like you say. I don't think there's any question he'll play better, plus from a team perspective they've now had a game to adjust to life without Love, they'll be better for that game yesterday.

I personally don't think the Bulls can play much better than they did yesterday but I could be wrong. Just my prediction.

When a superstar/best player in the world makes multiple mistakes in the final minutes of a close game I see it as choking.

Im not saying they are going to lose this series, I think they will but its still open. The bulls have stolen HCA so now they only need to win there home games to take this series, they don't need to win in Cleveland again. Game 2 is huge, I think the Cavs might bounce back but if they don't this series is just about over.

LBJ will play better but if the Bulls defend well he is going to struggle this series, no stretch 4 is huge. Theres a reason bosh was turned from an effective post/face up player to a jumpshooter in Miami, Lebron needs the paint clear to be at his best. He cant create his own midrange or 3 point shots off the dribble consistently, he doesn't move off the ball all that well, he goes well in the post but doesn't seem comfortable down there as he doesn't go there often. Take away his ability to get into the paint consistently and there goes a lot of his points and assists.
 
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Rod

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I wasn't really replying to your claim that he choked, but seeing as you brought it up again....I think the term choking is completely overused. Nowadays it seems like everyone who loses a game is choking now. Like I said, the Cavs weren't even ahead at any point in the game so I don't know how you then perform a choke. If you think Lebron choked yesterday then by the same token you have to classify the many times Jordan/Kobe lost close games as choking. To me there's a big difference between making a couple of mistakes in a game and 'choking'.

You may well be right about James having trouble without Love, I was prepared for that even before the game yesterday.The name of the game in a seven game series is adjustments and if the Cavs can't make any then I agree they will lose.
 

betcats

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I wasn't really replying to your claim that he choked, but seeing as you brought it up again....I think the term choking is completely overused. Nowadays it seems like everyone who loses a game is choking now. Like I said, the Cavs weren't even ahead at any point in the game so I don't know how you then perform a choke. If you think Lebron choked yesterday then by the same token you have to classify the many times Jordan/Kobe lost close games as choking. To me there's a big difference between making a couple of mistakes in a game and 'choking'.

You may well be right about James having trouble without Love, I was prepared for that even before the game yesterday.The name of the game in a seven game series is adjustments and if the Cavs can't make any then I agree they will lose.

Lol it was a choke imo. Show me the games Jordan or Kobe turned the ball over in the final minutes down a few points and yes I will say its a choke. Or when the bricked layups in the same situation.

Its not that it was a close loss its the fact they got close and he made terrible plays when they needed buckets.
 
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So basically every close playoff game, someone chokes. That's a lot of choking. I suppose if Lebron put the Cavs ahead and then Rose misses his next shot then Rose choked....

We just have different definitions of choking. You don't like Lebron, I think there's enough ammunition from yesterday to criticise him (he himself said he played crap) without throwing 'choking' in there too.
 

betcats

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So basically every close playoff game, someone chokes. That's a lot of choking. I suppose if Lebron put the Cavs ahead and then Rose misses his next shot then Rose choked....

We just have different definitions of choking. You don't like Lebron, I think there's enough ammunition from yesterday to criticise him (he himself said he played crap) without throwing 'choking' in there too.

How is your comprehension?

Its not that it was a close loss its the fact they got close and he made terrible plays when they needed buckets.


This is geniused stop trying to put words in my mouth. If you don't agree say that but don't make up shit that I didn't say.

Every close game where someone makes multiple turnovers and misses a LAYUP in final minutes is a choke.

I guess he didn't choke in the 2011 finals either did he?
 

Rod

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One turnover and a missed contested layup on Gasol, meh.

Rose missed his last 3 shots too. Curry went something like 1/10 in the second half today. It's basketball. Players miss.

We just have different definitions of choking.
 

Aragorn

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betcats

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One turnover and a missed contested layup on Gasol, meh.

Rose missed his last 3 shots too. Curry went something like 1/10 in the second half today. It's basketball. Players miss.

Players also choke. Lebron has form:

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andrew057

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Curry was just as bad. Hard for guards to excel against Conley, Lee and Allen with Gasol having the paint.
 

Rod

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They probably won't say until close to game time. I'd be surprised if he didn't play tomorrow though.
 

ByRd

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Wow, what a game between the cavs and Bulls, Rose had a great performance hitting the winner with a bank shot 3 at the buzzer, also Butler played his backside off, great game
 

HankScorpio

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This Cavs Bulls series is going to shorten my life span by 5 years.

I'd forgotten how stressful the playoffs are.
 

andrew057

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"LeBron now has more postseason go-ahead/game-tying FGM in final 24 sec of Q4/OT than Kobe (8 to 7). And much more efficient (19 FGA vs 28)."
 

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