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The Great Dane

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It is just a combination of everything which has resulted in this mess.

- The atrocious Stay Kind jerseys by Parra and the Tigers
- The insistence of Newcastle wearing their Orange mining jersey against the Tigers
- The commercially driven super hero jerseys
- The stupid looking socks to support some charity or junior club
- About a million other examples I can't think of

So basically depending on the point you're problem is either with the NRL failing to properly enforce their own rules, or you personally don't like it there for it should be banned...

The NRL doesn't regulate it seriously enough and gives the clubs too much free reign. Yes there are restraints, but they should be tighter. At this rate they might as well not exist.

Well what exactly would you change to enforce it better?

Let the clubs have a charity jersey if they must but they have to give up something else. We cannot continue to have clubs trotting out new jerseys whenever they feel like it. Limit it to 3 or 4 a year and clubs will eventually get over it. Trot out special jerseys for trials or nines if they must.

That is literally already the NRL's policy!

Each club is only allowed 5 or 6 (I can't remember which but it's one of the two) jerseys in the regular NRL season including home and away, unless they get express permission from the NRL to have more!

They're literally already doing what you suggest!

Also having special jerseys only for trials would kill their commercial value as trials aren't televised, making them basically pointless from a merchandising point of view and a promotional point of view, and frankly the Nines are quickly going the same way due to poor management...
 
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The Great Dane

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Anzac should be tasteful and minimal. Just a poppy on each jersey. Not to be sold to the public.

Why?

As long as the RSL and/or the ADF have no problem with it then why not? It's not like it's really hurting anyone by doing it.

WiL is redundant, the the fact they're all variations of pink and purple is just taking the piss.

Indigenous should be compulsory, but instead of new designs each year, clubs should design a sole indigenous jersey they wear every year.

Basically all the major criticisms of WIL can also be made about the indigenous round, so why are you treating them differently?

I mean just take every 'imagine if we had a men in league round' or 'do we now need a men in league round' and change it to 'imagine if we had a Polynesian/Asian/European/whatever round', etc, and you have every reason why an Indigenous round is frankly pretty stupid.

Also making the clubs have one Indigenous design that they wear year in year out instantly kills the commercial value of having the round in the first place, thus rendering the whole idea redundant and you may as well have just got rid of it all together in the first place.

Heritage should be happen every year, but celebrate a different era each time.

Why?

Firstly, you're very quickly going to run out of eras and most clubs weren't around for many of the eras or had the same design over multiple eras.

Secondly, I think that each club would have a better idea of which eras they do and don't want to celebrate, why they don't want to celebrate them, and which heritage designs will and will not be popular with their fan base. So basically they should be left to do their own thing, I mean they are their clubs after all...

Then I would leave one jersey to the discretion of the club, be it charity, honouring a player, or advertising to fatten their pockets

Instead of that why not just get rid of 'rounds' (most of which are stupid and pointless anyway) keep the current rules that the NRL already has (5-6 jerseys a season or whatever it is) with the addendum that apart from their declared home and away jerseys their other jerseys can only be worn once a season unless they've got express permission from the NRL to do otherwise.

That's a much better solution, it doesn't box the clubs in or force them to do things that they may or may not want to do for their own reasons, and is flexible enough for them to be able to capitalise on opportunities without it getting out of hand and them having a different jersey for every round.

Also:

I'd have it so clubs had only two main jerseys- home and away/clash.

But as an exception, if a club commits to a long-term home jersey, or had it written into their constitution that they will not change designs, they can then have an alternate design. To help make up any loss of income they might have as a result of not changing the home jersey.

Again some of this stuff isn't the clubs fault, a lot of your (and others) complaints should be squarely on the NRL not the clubs, but if you had power your fixes to the problems would penalise the clubs for those mistakes.

For example the NRL effectively forced the Raiders to use their WIL jersey as a clash jersey against Souths, cause they think that both the Raiders home and away jerseys clash with Souths home and away so they made them wear another jersey, the fact neither the Raiders home or away really clash with Souths and that even if they did that is Souths fault cause both there home and away are effectively the same jersey is lost on the NRL it seems, but that is beside the point.
Or as another example the Knights being allowed to wear their orange mining jersey against the Tigers, again that was the NRL's fault cause they approved the use of that jersey for that match cause obviously they don't think that they clash.

But cutting to the point, it seems to me that because of occurrences like the above (where the NRL f##ks up) that you lot want to sanction and tighten the rules on the clubs, when really all that needs to happen is for the NRL to enforce their rules properly and their wouldn't be a problem in the first place.
 

Pommy

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Ha. Can’t believe there are actually people putting shit on an indigenous round. No matter what they do you seriously cannot bag it..

Why because indigenous people need to be put up on a pedestal to make past wrongs right?
Nothing should be placed off limits for criticism.

That’s not to say I have a negative view of indigenous round as that’s not the case at all. I just believe in treating everyone the same and that has to work in both directions. If someone feels they have a genuine reason to bag something let’s hear it.
 

Perth Red

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It’s a celebration of the role in the game of a marginalised and often looked down upon part of Australian population. If it encourages some young kid to pick up a steeden rather than a bottle of grog then it’s well worth it. Got league has always been a very inclusive sport and we should celebrate this fact. I’ve been enjoying watching the ceremonies before KO. Also finally the nrl has dictated that every club wears a jersey for a round!

Ps also great to see the Maori culture being included this year,
 

Zerô

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Why?

As long as the RSL and/or the ADF have no problem with it then why not? It's not like it's really hurting anyone by doing it.



Basically all the major criticisms of WIL can also be made about the indigenous round, so why are you treating them differently?

I mean just take every 'imagine if we had a men in league round' or 'do we now need a men in league round' and change it to 'imagine if we had a Polynesian/Asian/European/whatever round', etc, and you have every reason why an Indigenous round is frankly pretty stupid.

Also making the clubs have one Indigenous design that they wear year in year out instantly kills the commercial value of having the round in the first place, thus rendering the whole idea redundant and you may as well have just got rid of it all together in the first place.



Why?

Firstly, you're very quickly going to run out of eras and most clubs weren't around for many of the eras or had the same design over multiple eras.

Secondly, I think that each club would have a better idea of which eras they do and don't want to celebrate, why they don't want to celebrate them, and which heritage designs will and will not be popular with their fan base. So basically they should be left to do their own thing, I mean they are their clubs after all...



Instead of that why not just get rid of 'rounds' (most of which are stupid and pointless anyway) keep the current rules that the NRL already has (5-6 jerseys a season or whatever it is) with the addendum that apart from their declared home and away jerseys their other jerseys can only be worn once a season unless they've got express permission from the NRL to do otherwise.

That's a much better solution, it doesn't box the clubs in or force them to do things that they may or may not want to do for their own reasons, and is flexible enough for them to be able to capitalise on opportunities without it getting out of hand and them having a different jersey for every round.



Again some of this stuff isn't the clubs fault, a lot of your (and others) complaints should be squarely on the NRL not the clubs, but if you had power your fixes to the problems would penalise the clubs for those mistakes.

For example the NRL effectively forced the Raiders to use their WIL jersey as a clash jersey against Souths, cause they think that both the Raiders home and away jerseys clash with Souths home and away so they made them wear another jersey, the fact neither the Raiders home or away really clash with Souths and that even if they did that is Souths fault cause both there home and away are effectively the same jersey is lost on the NRL it seems, but that is beside the point.
Or as another example the Knights being allowed to wear their orange mining jersey against the Tigers, again that was the NRL's fault cause they approved the use of that jersey for that match cause obviously they don't think that they clash.

But cutting to the point, it seems to me that because of occurrences like the above (where the NRL f##ks up) that you lot want to sanction and tighten the rules on the clubs, when really all that needs to happen is for the NRL to enforce their rules properly and their wouldn't be a problem in the first place.

1) Anzac day should never be commersialised. Somethings need to be kept sacred. NRL can do this by creating respectful jerseys, and create a strong respect for it by having players covet it as much as a rep jersey.

2) WiL is a useless concept, let's celebrate women's contribution to the game by wearing a pink jersey, because every female loves the colour. Want to celebrate WiL? Support the women's teams.

3) NRL gets alot of things wrong, and I mean alot. But what we do so effortlessly is incorporate indigenous culture into our game. When the AFL was going off their head about a celebration war dance, the NRL would have used that to promote the game. As much as the AFL will deny it, we are truly and indigenous game.

4) I don't care about missing out on sales, having a locked in long term indigenous jersey and identity would be great for the game, even better if it was used more than once a year if it was needed for a clash.

5) I agree I went a bit overboard with the heritage idea. It shouldn't be every year, but at least every 3 years. And you can't say some of the younger teams don't have the tradition to draw on. It's not like these areas only started playing rugby league last week. Titans would look great in a Seagulls jersey.

6) I just want clearer restrictions, but still celebrate occasions, and above all have some really solid brand recognition.

So I would have

- home jersey (used as much as possible)
- away jersey (used when dictated, or when the club requests)
- Anzac (home or away jersey with a tasteful recognition- not to be sold to public) (optional)
- Indigenous (also can be used as clash)
- wildcard ( to be used at the clubs discretion, charity, Marvel, promotion, milestones) (optional)
- heritage (every 3 years) (optional)
- 3rd jersey ( only for teams that have locked in a long term main jersey design ie- Dragons, Roosters) (optional)

So the most jerseys a team can have is 7, the minimum is 3
 

Diesel

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Should have a main jersey, tasteful ANZAC jersey with NO sponsorship and one other be it indigenous, WIL, Marvel, heritage or clash (at the clubs disgression)
 

gzerounian

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The side panel...been in our game for years now. Unanimously a pain in the ass to jersey nerds like us..but alas I think i have discovered a use for this uninterrupted sponsor free piece of rectangular fabric that may bring peace to the whole themed jersey debate. Why not use the side panel space for themed rounds. Weather it be local Aboriginal art, a bunch of poppies, a man in a spider suit or just a plain piece of hot pink fabric, this untapped part of the jersey may have a use after all.
 

Zerô

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Should have a main jersey, tasteful ANZAC jersey with NO sponsorship and one other be it indigenous, WIL, Marvel, heritage or clash (at the clubs disgression)

I'm a bit torn about the 'no sponsorship' Anzac jersey.

Penrith did it a few years back, and while their heart was in the right place, they just replaced the sponsorship areas with other images like flags and other imagery, which made it look like clipart.

NRL jerseys are designed with sponsors in mind, do why not donate the sponsorship to Legacy or Soldier On etc
 

The Great Dane

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1) Anzac day should never be commersialised. Somethings need to be kept sacred. NRL can do this by creating respectful jerseys, and create a strong respect for it by having players covet it as much as a rep jersey.

Too late it already is, either jump on the boat now or miss out.

And frankly I don't think that any of the NRL clubs ANZAC jerseys have been disrespectful (except that pink and brown Manly one lol, but that wasn't disrespectful to the ANZACs' so much as it was disrespectful to my eyes), and that is totally subjective anyway.

2) WiL is a useless concept, let's celebrate women's contribution to the game by wearing a pink jersey, because every female loves the colour. Want to celebrate WiL? Support the women's teams.

Agreed.

3) NRL gets alot of things wrong, and I mean alot. But what we do so effortlessly is incorporate indigenous culture into our game. When the AFL was going off their head about a celebration war dance, the NRL would have used that to promote the game. As much as the AFL will deny it, we are truly and indigenous game.

4) I don't care about missing out on sales, having a locked in long term indigenous jersey and identity would be great for the game, even better if it was used more than once a year if it was needed for a clash.

I don't really want to go into what would be a huge philosophical post right now on my opinions on such things, so I'll just link to an old related post and let you extrapolate my opinion from there.

Here-http://forums.leagueunlimited.com/posts/12824768/

5) I agree I went a bit overboard with the heritage idea. It shouldn't be every year, but at least every 3 years. And you can't say some of the younger teams don't have the tradition to draw on. It's not like these areas only started playing rugby league last week. Titans would look great in a Seagulls jersey.

Or we could just let the clubs have a heritage jersey when they want to instead of in a mandated predetermined round for it, that way if the Titans want a heritage jersey they can have one if not then no.

On a side note, with a handful of exceptions none of the clubs can use traditional stuff from before their time, they don't own the trademarks or the copyright, so no the Titans probably couldn't do a Seagulls jerseys (unless it only very vaguely looked like one and wasn't really a reproduction of an old jersey) if they did the Tweed Heads Seagulls (owners of the GC Seagulls branding, and rather ironically owned by Norths Leagues clubs IIRC) would be pissed and would sue them.

6) I just want clearer restrictions, but still celebrate occasions, and above all have some really solid brand recognition.

There're already clear restrictions, the NRL just isn't very good at enforcing them (they aren't good at enforcing anything so why you'd be surprised about that IDK), and the whole point of one off jerseys and the such is for cross promotion, in other words the whole point is to slightly warp the brand for a short time to attract interest from people that wouldn't normally be interested and to hopefully make a buck doing it, that is an incredibly good thing for both the sport and the clubs to be participating in especially when they are doing with well know and popular brands and concepts (the best example being Marvel, those jerseys being featured on Marvels social media and websites exposed more people to the NRL in one go then all the other promotions that the NRL has done in the last ten years put together, that is an incredibly powerful and valuable thing).

So basically on a base level you fundamentally misunderstand the whole purpose of the jerseys, and if the changes you suggest were to be made it'd make their whole existence totally redundant...

So I would have

- home jersey (used as much as possible)
- away jersey (used when dictated, or when the club requests)
- Anzac (home or away jersey with a tasteful recognition- not to be sold to public) (optional)
- Indigenous (also can be used as clash)
- wildcard ( to be used at the clubs discretion, charity, Marvel, promotion, milestones) (optional)
- heritage (every 3 years) (optional)
- 3rd jersey ( only for teams that have locked in a long term main jersey design ie- Dragons, Roosters) (optional)

So the most jerseys a team can have is 7, the minimum is 3

Or you could simplify the rules immensely and make them much more flexible and simply have 5 jerseys a season (ignoring stuff from outside the NRL season, so Nines and the like), home and away plus three others of the clubs choosing and basically get the same results without restricting the clubs ability to react to their market and to develop their brands as they wish.

So in other words-

-Home jersey (mandatory).
-Away jersey (must contrast with the home jersey and mandatory).
-Whatever the club wants.
-Whatever the club wants.
-Whatever the club wants.

Now you could add some reasonable stipulations into that, like apart from home and away jerseys the others can only be used once unless the club is given express permission from the NRL to wear them more than once, or that one of the extra jerseys must be for a charitable cause of the clubs choosing, you could even have it that the charitable cause must be for an independent third party (in other words for a charity not owned or operated by the club or any of it's owners or employees), but ignoring little things like that the bare bones of the rules should always be like the above, and they basically are, though that is changing.
 
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The Great Dane

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It’s a celebration of the role in the game of a marginalised and often looked down upon part of Australian population. If it encourages some young kid to pick up a steeden rather than a bottle of grog then it’s well worth it. Got league has always been a very inclusive sport and we should celebrate this fact. I’ve been enjoying watching the ceremonies before KO. Also finally the nrl has dictated that every club wears a jersey for a round!

Ps also great to see the Maori culture being included this year,

Again I don't really want to get into a large philosophical debate about this (honestly I can't be bothered and frankly it's a toxic subject even if everything said by everybody in the debate is 100% rational and reasonable people will still get offended or upset and taint the whole thing), but for such a "marginalised and often looked down upon part of the Australian population" they are the only cultural/ethnic group to get their own rounds devoted solely to celebrating their culture in both the NRL and AFL...
 

kdalymc

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The side panel...been in our game for years now. Unanimously a pain in the ass to jersey nerds like us..but alas I think i have discovered a use for this uninterrupted sponsor free piece of rectangular fabric that may bring peace to the whole themed jersey debate. Why not use the side panel space for themed rounds. Weather it be local Aboriginal art, a bunch of poppies, a man in a spider suit or just a plain piece of hot pink fabric, this untapped part of the jersey may have a use after all.

(Even though i THINK you actually can) you can’t print a pattern on this magic material..
They are always, plain hence why stripes don’t continue/they’re always bodgy etc...
 

Canard

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Again I don't really want to get into a large philosophical debate about this (honestly I can't be bothered and frankly it's a toxic subject even if everything said by everybody in the debate is 100% rational and reasonable people will still get offended or upset and taint the whole thing), but for such a "marginalised and often looked down upon part of the Australian population" they are the only cultural/ethnic group to get their own rounds devoted solely to celebrating their culture in both the NRL and AFL...

Not a huge range of other indigenous cultures in Australia from my recall.
 

GAZF

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Or you could simplify the rules immensely and make them much more flexible and simply have 5 jerseys a season (ignoring stuff from outside the NRL season, so Nines and the like), home and away plus three others of the clubs choosing and basically get the same results without restricting the clubs ability to react to their market and to develop their brands as they wish.

So in other words-

-Home jersey (mandatory).
-Away jersey (must contrast with the home jersey and mandatory).
-Whatever the club wants.
-Whatever the club wants.
-Whatever the club wants.

Now you could add some reasonable stipulations into that, like apart from home and away jerseys the others can only be used once unless the club is given express permission from the NRL to wear them more than once, or that one of the extra jerseys must be for a charitable cause of the clubs choosing, you could even have it that the charitable cause must be for an independent third party (in other words for a charity not owned or operated by the club or any of it's owners or employees), but ignoring little things like that the bare bones of the rules should always be like the above, and they basically are, though that is changing.

This is pretty reasonable.

I'd prefer a reduction to 4 jerseys total, but if those 3 extra jerseys could be limited to 4-5 appearances in total per year then we'd have teams in their regular uniforms 19-20 times a year.

I'd also have it so that if both teams are wearing one of their alts, they have to be along the same theme (no heritage jersey vs indigenous jersey, or WiL vs ANZAC, ...). If the home team is supporting a charity, then the away team either supports the same charity for that game, or wears their regular gear and then supports their own charity at one of their home games.

And maybe stipulate that each team can only do 1 cross promo design a year. Its not a problem now but its not implausible that a club would allocate multiple alts for these purposes in the near future.
 

GAZF

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(Even though i THINK you actually can) you can’t print a pattern on this magic material..
They are always, plain hence why stripes don’t continue/they’re always bodgy etc...
Any sort of ink on these panels will impede the critical airflow and WILL cause the player to overheat and die.
 

beave

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I personally thought the Tiges/Cowbs jerseys looked awesome on Thursday night.

NQ are auctioning theirs off to raise funds for education in Indigenious communties in NQ which is an awesome initiative. I was tempted to throw some $$ down for one but I would rather not be reminded how f**king shit we are in 2018.
 

Canard

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I personally thought the Tiges/Cowbs jerseys looked awesome on Thursday night.

NQ are auctioning theirs off to raise funds for education in Indigenious communties in NQ which is an awesome initiative. I was tempted to throw some $$ down for one but I would rather not be reminded how f**king shit we are in 2018.

The jerseys were fine individually, but sucked balls in terms of constrast and in terms of a neutral would have been hard to differentiate.

PS It still sucks that they get ruined by a massive sponsors logo. If you could get the option of a cleanskin version, I'd be all over it.
 

beave

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The jerseys were fine individually, but sucked balls in terms of constrast and in terms of a neutral would have been hard to differentiate.

PS It still sucks that they get ruined by a massive sponsors logo. If you could get the option of a cleanskin version, I'd be all over it.

Agreed on the long shots it was a little confusing. NQ wore white shorts though so the close in shots were fine.
 
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With the All Stars match returning in 2019 after a one-year hiatus, the NRL is putting out a call for artists from the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander community to design the Indigenous All Stars men's and women's jerseys.

NRL officials want to hear from artists who would like to submit an original and authentic painting design that tells a story of this unique event, the respective teams and which recognises and celebrates Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander culture.

The week-long celebration highlights Indigenous excellence on and off the field and the rich culture of our first nations people.

NRL senior manager for indigenous strategy Mark Deweerd says this is an excellent opportunity for artists to showcase their talents and a chance to share Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander culture.

"All Stars in one of the best example of practical reconciliation and is an opportunity for the game to share our culture with the broader rugby league community," he said.

"These jerseys hold a special place in the careers of players that get to wear it and an excellent opportunity for an Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander artist to guide the design and showcase their talents as well.

"This is a great platform for an artist to gain recognition while celebrating our culture through their skills at such an important event."

nrl_indigenous-all-stars-design-comp_1500x800.jpg

All artwork submissions (including design and relevant background information) must be submitted by 5pm Friday 18th May (AEST).


https://www.nrl.com/news/2018/05/11...ous-artists-to-design-2019-all-stars-jerseys/
 

greenBV4

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(Even though i THINK you actually can) you can’t print a pattern on this magic material..
They are always, plain hence why stripes don’t continue/they’re always bodgy etc...

Storm have been putting lighting bolts on the side panels the last few years
 
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