2024 Crowd Watch

[yobbo84]

What about if they win ?

If roosters or sharks lose it will be at Accor or Allianz ? Either would get massive crowds (Allianz would probs sell out)

Scratch that - forgot they finished 6th, not 5th.

So if they got through to a prelim they would play Sharks or Storm.

 

[Valheru]

If the Bulldogs got through the next 2 weeks, the prelim would have to be at Accor.

A Penrith vs Bulldogs prelim would potentially sell out.

Their prelim would either be in Melbourne or SFS (Sharks)

 

[yobbo84]

Their prelim would either be in Melbourne or SFS (Sharks)

Yeah, I realised that in my post above.

Would a Sharks v Bulldogs prelim get more than 50k, and thus moved to Accor? You'd think they'd be in with a shot.

 

[Valheru]

Yeah, I realised that in my post above.

Would a Sharks v Bulldogs prelim get more than 50k, and thus moved to Accor? You'd think they'd be in with a shot.

They didn't move us vs you guys to Accor in 2018 so I doubt they would make the sharks play at Accor.

In 2017 there were rumblings that us v Parra was going to be at Accor but that theory was never tested thanks to Nth QLD

For me, if SFS is deemed suitable for week 3 (which it is) then those teams that earn the right to host, should get to play there if that's their preference regardless of opponent. The NRL can't say it is good for the game to play a Accor and in the same breath have finals games at Shark park and Brookvale Oval.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

When AAMI Park was built, to their credit, the Victorian Government spent the money to build the foundations of the ground so it could be expanded to 50K without needing a whole tear down & rebuild.

That said, even though the ground could be expanded, it would be a hard business case to justify at the moment.

Firstly none of the tenants are filling the ground regularly. The Storm averaged just under 20K, but only had 2 sell outs from its 11 matches.

Victory averaged 11,300 last A-League season, City 8,400 and then Western United I'm pretty sure have moved out completely & the Melbourne Rebels are dead.

Secondly, from a big event perspective, the NRL, Rugby Australia & World Rugby have all shown that if they are going to take big events to Victoria, they are more than happy playing at Docklands or the MCG.

It's only Football (Soccer) that has ever pushed back and then it is only for events like the World Cup or Asian Cup. The Matildas played at Docklands as recently as February this year for their Olympic Qualifiers and the Socceroos last year.

If you're current tenants aren't pushing capacity and the only rectangular sports event that enforces it isn't something we're even guaranteed to win (FIFA Men's World Cup) or unlikely to get again soon (FIFA Women's World Cup, Asian Cup), it is a hard push, especially in the current economic conditions.

More than happy to play at Docklands or the MCG... I'm not sure about that. We don't know because they don't have a choice

 

[Jpw25111]

Please go and find out for yourself? I recall the events being mentioned here earlier. Dick wad.

Nah your the shit talker so tell me. Instead of being a rugba wanka

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Please remind me what high profile events afl states have missed out on? I recall a certain megastar earlier this year skipping brisbane.

FIFA Women's World Cup QF, SF and Final

 

[moffla]

FIFA Women's World Cup QF, SF and Final

The cities that hosted those games have stadia used throughout the year though tbf.

A larger purpose built stadium would be a dream, but none of the clubs based in Melbourne would play out of it regularly enough to just the spend.

The Storm would primarily remain at AAMI, as would Melbourne Victory + City.

If cost wasn’t an issue it’s a no brainer to have a bigger stadium, but not sure the Vic Gov would justify contributing that much money for a stadium that sits there waiting for big events.

 

[Vlad59]

Nah your the shit talker so tell me. Instead of being a rugba wanka

Nup. And if you’re a ‘rugba wanka’ that’s your problem.

 

[yakstorm]

Re. the Roosters and the membership, it'd be nice to get to the Swans' number of members but we're hamstrung a little by SFS members who are majority Rooster fans but are never going to buy a Roosters membership. I guess the Swans have a similar issue but I just don't see us getting to those heights.

That said, I think they can definitely steadily increase on the 20k or so members they currently have.

There are a few factors that give the Swans the edge. Not only were they the only AFL team in Sydney for a long time (and still command the vast majority of the supporter base in the state) they have also been pushing memberships far longer than the Roosters have and also have strong interstate membership numbers.

In 2013, the Swans had a total membership of 36,358 with over 10,000 of them being Victorian based members. That number has only continued to grow (it is estimated to be almost 18,000 this year from their 70,000 membership total), but unfortunately that isn't something the Roosters would be able to replicate with the club not having a historic connection to another part of the country & also the lack of coordination between NRL clubs compared to AFL.

Still that said, Roosters are on the right track. Hope they can continue to grow at the rate they've seen over the past few years, it would be amazing to see their average move towards 30K over the next decade.

 

[Vlad59]

The cities that hosted those games have stadia used throughout the year though tbf.

A larger purpose built stadium would be a dream, but none of the clubs based in Melbourne would play out of it regularly enough to just the spend.

The Storm would primarily remain at AAMI, as would Melbourne Victory + City.

If cost wasn’t an issue it’s a no brainer to have a bigger stadium, but not sure the Vic Gov would justify contributing that much money for a stadium that sits there waiting for big events.

City of 5 million claiming to be the sporting capital of the world can’t justify a rectangular stadium to seat crowds of 50000?

 

[Suitman]

FIFA Women's World Cup QF, SF and Final

The FIFA Woman's World Cup was all the evidence we needed to know about Victoria's (and the 2 other prime AFL states in general) attitude towards rectangular sports.
NSW and QLD gave up major stadiums during the NRL season to assist in holding this event. NZ surrended their best stadiums as well.
The buzz throughout Brisbane and Sydney during the world cup was amazing, and our competiton still survived.

VIC and SA gave up AAMI Park and Coopers, hence why they got the dregs of the competition games. Perth was nuked with nothing.
All VIC had to do was hand over Marvel for 6 weeks during the AFL season and they would have at least got a semi-final and many other larger games.
Yet, nope. Bugger all.
The AFL could have easily survived with the MCG and Geelong during the World Cup, and Victoria would have also reaped the benefits of a major influx of overseas tourism from the World Cup and a boost to their economy.
But no, the fear of the world game and rectangular sports in general showed through, to protect AFL.

Their self proclaimed "Sporting Capital of the World" is only perpetrated by them and is a fallacy. They cannot claim this when they continue to ignore the world's biggest sport like they do.

What is pretty cool is that the NRL just got on with our competition (without some of our major stadiums) and worked alongside another sport and yet we continued to be successful with our own growing attendances during that time.

Furthermore, Australia is hosting the Woman's FIFA Asian Cup in 2026. It will again be huge, and again the AFL states will be given the dregs.

 

[Vlad59]

The FIFA Woman's World Cup was all the evidence we needed to know about Victoria's (and the 2 other prime AFL states in general) attitude towards rectangular sports.
NSW and QLD gave up major stadiums during the NRL season to assist in holding this event. NZ surrended their best stadiums as well.
The buzz throughout Brisbane and Sydney during the world cup was amazing, and our competiton still survived.

VIC and SA gave up AAMI Park and Coopers, hence why they got the dregs of the competition games. Perth was nuked with nothing.
All VIC had to do was hand over Marvel for 6 weeks during the AFL season and they would have at least got a semi-final and many other larger games.
Yet, nope. Bugger all.
The AFL could have easily survived with the MCG and Geelong during the World Cup, and Victoria would have also reaped the benefits of a major influx of overseas tourism from the World Cup and a boost to their economy.
But no, the fear of the world game and rectangular sports in general showed through, to protect AFL.

Their self proclaimed "Sporting Capital of the World" is only perpetrated by them and is a fallacy. They cannot claim this when they continue to ignore the world's biggest sport like they do.

What is pretty cool is that the NRL just got on with our competition (without some of our major stadiums) and worked alongside another sport and yet we continued to be successful with our own growing attendances during that time.

Furthermore, Australia is hosting the Woman's FIFA Asian Cup in 2026. It will again be huge, and again the AFL states will be given the dregs.

Maybe our wanky afl fans like Jamberoo might to respond to this post? And Wookie as well. That was a direct hit.

 

[nko11]

The FIFA Woman's World Cup was all the evidence we needed to know about Victoria's (and the 2 other prime AFL states in general) attitude towards rectangular sports.
NSW and QLD gave up major stadiums during the NRL season to assist in holding this event. NZ surrended their best stadiums as well.
The buzz throughout Brisbane and Sydney during the world cup was amazing, and our competiton still survived.

VIC and SA gave up AAMI Park and Coopers, hence why they got the dregs of the competition games. Perth was nuked with nothing.
All VIC had to do was hand over Marvel for 6 weeks during the AFL season and they would have at least got a semi-final and many other larger games.
Yet, nope. Bugger all.
The AFL could have easily survived with the MCG and Geelong during the World Cup, and Victoria would have also reaped the benefits of a major influx of overseas tourism from the World Cup and a boost to their economy.
But no, the fear of the world game and rectangular sports in general showed through, to protect AFL.

Their self proclaimed "Sporting Capital of the World" is only perpetrated by them and is a fallacy. They cannot claim this when they continue to ignore the world's biggest sport like they do.

What is pretty cool is that the NRL just got on with our competition (without some of our major stadiums) and worked alongside another sport and yet we continued to be successful with our own growing attendances during that time.

Furthermore, Australia is hosting the Woman's FIFA Asian Cup in 2026. It will again be huge, and again the AFL states will be given the dregs.

It's legitimately only being hosted in QLD, NSW and WA. SA and Vic won't get any games by the looks. I imagine the WA games will be used for the minnow games due to it's lower capacity.

I wonder where the NFL will choose to go if/when they play games in Australia. The Womens Football wasn't even seen as a marquee event until recently, what other events will build up in the 30 years and what shaped stadium are they likely to be hosted at. If Sydney ever gets Accor up to standard (and I believe it's only a matter of time, will happen in the next 10-15 years, even just with the stadium passing it's use by date, would prefer it sooner though - before construction costs balloon even further), Melbourne will largely be ignored for any Football, Rugby, Rugby League, NFL or any other new events. At the moment it's just because Accor is also not fully rectangular, the extra 17k seats makes it worth it. That calculation changes if Accor is a world class rectangular stadium.

It's just a fact that most popular team sports around the world use rectangular shaped fields. They need to start planning now if they want to be involved. If they need teams filling AAMI to justify a bigger build, they need to have a more hands on approach with helping these clubs build these crowds. Help get the Storm, Victory and City hitting 30k regularly.

The fact they let one of their sporting teams die, shows where they're at. The whole country misses out in the case of the Mens World cup. Largely because we only have 2 cities capable of hosting right now.

 

[Vlad59]

It's legitimately only being hosted in QLD, NSW and WA. SA and Vic won't get any games by the looks. I imagine the WA games will be used for the minnow games due to it's lower capacity.

I wonder where the NFL will choose to go if/when they play games in Australia. The Womens Football wasn't even seen as a marquee event until recently, what other events will build up in the 30 years and what shaped stadium are they likely to be hosted at. If Sydney ever gets Accor up to standard (and I believe it's only a matter of time, will happen in the next 10-15 years, even just with the stadium passing it's use by date, would prefer it sooner though - before construction costs balloon even further), Melbourne will largely be ignored for any Football, Rugby, Rugby League, NFL or any other new events. At the moment it's just because Accor is also not fully rectangular, the extra 17k seats makes it worth it. That calculation changes if Accor is a world class rectangular stadium.

It's just a fact that most popular team sports around the world use rectangular shaped fields. They need to start planning now if they want to be involved. If they need teams filling AAMI to justify a bigger build, they need to have a more hands on approach with helping these clubs build these crowds. Help get the Storm, Victory and City hitting 30k regularly.

The fact they let one of their sporting teams die, shows where they're at.


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Hey they killed a netball team and gave their facilities to a fumbles team. That’s how the Victorians roll

 

[jim_57]

No one is saying AAMI is shit, it's not, it's an awesome ground and perfect for Storm regular season games.

What's being said is that rectangular sports should have a better option in a city of 5m than playing on a 50k oval owned by a rival or a 100k oval that, whilst has fantastic atmosphere, is sub optimal for RL, RU and soccer.

So what would justify a large world class rectangular ground in addition to AAMI?

Storm finals
1or 2 Storm marquee games
A League GF
A League derby
State of Origin
Wallabies tests
Socceroos
Matildas
Would allow Melbourne to bid for Magic Round

Sure, the MCG is bigger, but a purpose built stadium is always preferable and 50k is a big stadium. For a city the size of Melbourne, 1 rectangular stadium with 30k seats is just not good enough.

I doubt you’d get both 30k & 50k rectangular stadiums in Melbourne. Best bet would probably be AAMI upgraded to ~50k with curtains on the top tiers for club mode. Then maybe a ‘boutique’ 15-20k stadium for some A-League games as well.

 

[sdx]

18000 PAX for AAMI as at 2pm today

 

[Cumberland Throw]

There are a few factors that give the Swans the edge. Not only were they the only AFL team in Sydney for a long time (and still command the vast majority of the supporter base in the state) they have also been pushing memberships far longer than the Roosters have and also have strong interstate membership numbers.

In 2013, the Swans had a total membership of 36,358 with over 10,000 of them being Victorian based members. That number has only continued to grow (it is estimated to be almost 18,000 this year from their 70,000 membership total), but unfortunately that isn't something the Roosters would be able to replicate with the club not having a historic connection to another part of the country & also the lack of coordination between NRL clubs compared to AFL.

Still that said, Roosters are on the right track. Hope they can continue to grow at the rate they've seen over the past few years, it would be amazing to see their average move towards 30K over the next decade.

Roosters has a 75 year head start to be fair

 

[yakstorm]

More than happy to play at Docklands or the MCG... I'm not sure about that. We don't know because they don't have a choice

They do have a choice though. The NRL, Rugby Australia, World Rugby, IRL, Football Australia don't have to play at Docklands or the MCG and they don't have to play in Melbourne at all, but they all have chosen to.

FIFA is the only body that has pushed back.

Now of course if Melbourne had a bigger rectangular ground, it could win some of those events that have gone to the MCG & Docklands, but firstly how big does it have to be? The NRL isn't playing Origin in a 40K-50K stadium in Melbourne, when it knows it can get 90K at the MCG & there is plenty of other events which would be thinking the same.

The Victorian Government knows this. Firstly they have the highest major event win ratio of any state government, so they don't feel like they are missing out significantly and secondly even if budgets weren't an issue, they know that at the moment they are lacking enough events to justify the investment currently.

That's the unfortunate reality of it. I'd love for it not to be true & for a modern Suncorp equivalent to be getting built in Melbourne, but it's just not anyone's priority, not even the Storm or the NRLs.

 

[Vlad59]

Roosters has a 75 year head start to be fair

You’re a swans fan …… to be fair