2024 TV and Streaming Ratings Discussion

[Mother Nature's Son]

Whats the bet you're wookie In disguise.

Bed time for me Harry, quality not quantity mate, that`s the way.

 

[docbrown]

You really are an idiot, It is in our interest to know the truth of these things, it`s the only way to plan for the future, do you think the NRL headquarters want to be fed bullshit. You might be happy to live in a child`s dream world, I want the facts.
BTW you cannot be more than 100% accurate.

The NRL and AFL have access to the full 9, 7 & Foxtel numbers across all demographics. This is just purely a pissing competition for fans on forums and twitter.

 

[Wb1234]

Afl numbers have been poor this year

 

[The_Wookie]

Afl numbers have been poor this year

AFL numbers have been invented this year.

Noting that this AFL game was played at 4 in the afternoon and only shown in QLD/Vic.

A second game was shown in SA/WA in the evening.

 

[DIOGENES]

AFL numbers have been invented this year.

Noting that this AFL game was played at 4 in the afternoon and only shown in QLD/Vic.

A second game was shown in SA/WA in the evening.

Do you mean ritchitigrub has invented what he is posting or the numbers are just not available?

 

[The_Wookie]

Do you mean ritchitigrub has invented what he is posting or the numbers are just not available?

My personal opinion - and really thats all it boils down to - ive repeatedly said over the years that Im not an expert on these things - Is that there is not enough data to arrive at the conclusions he is coming to at this early juncture, especially for the AFL where last years estimates are simply wrong. I assume hes using my data from last season - i gave it to him last year.

He is of course, free to do what he likes. Maybe he is comfortable with guessing off the very limited info we have. Im not and wont be until i have more information to run with,

 

[Mother Nature's Son]

especially for the AFL where last years estimates are simply wrong.

You said in an earlier post that f-ball numbers had been overestimated last year,I assume you are referring to the same thing in the above post, however if I recall correctly the ratio of streaming i.e. Kayo to STB for f-ball had been underestimated last year. Could you please clear this up for me Wookie.

 

[Harry O]

It will be accepted by no one but the afl, the accepted method is eyeballs watching an event as it always has been , you know ratings,
which the afl have forced foxtel to stop publishing so they can no longer be embarrassed by the NRL

the NRL was pulling further & further away

& will remain Australias most watched sport

 

[The_Wookie]

You said in an earlier post that f-ball numbers had been overestimated last year,I assume you are referring to the same thing in the above post, however if I recall correctly the ratio of streaming i.e. Kayo to STB for f-ball had been underestimated last year. Could you please clear this up for me Wookie.

yes so for last year we had complete data for the AFL for every match for FTA and FoxSTB, but were estimating Kayo based on the PREVIOUS years estimates, because the previous years season estimate was within the margin of error for the AFL.

Towards the end of the season, we began to get actual streaming results from Oztam, and used that data and back tracked that through the season to arrive at an estimate that ended up being way over the AFLs released results..i mean not even close. Since the only unknown was the estimated data from the first 21 rounds of the season, it follows that the estimates used for that period were not even close to accurate.

To further muddy the waters, Oztam didnt unleash VOZ until Round 7 of the AFL season

 

[Harry O]

Addddddddd Originnnnnnnnnnnn to the ratings and NZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.
Cumon you chickens, don't be afraid getting owned over and over againnnnnnnnnnn

 

[Wb1234]

 

[Ride the Lion to Zion]

Excerpt from another thought-provoking Twitter exchange re ratings -

NRL fan - "It's your post, what isn't entirely correct about the stats you have put up showing the NRL total TV average smashing the AFL total TV average?"

sportsindustry - "Averages aren't everything. In terms of average ratings though, the post is correct. The issue is that this doesn't reflect total audience properly...and now we have reach to try and address that"

This assuredly cannot be the same bloke who insists on L.U. that "The new reach standard sucks".

The sportsindustry Twitter page also notes a strong AFL fondness for Reach. As though discerning the tiniest tinge of vested interest. Fair to wonder whether an Adelaide-based Carlton fan might be similarly susceptible to unconscious bias.

 

[Mother Nature's Son]

Excerpt from another thought-provoking Twitter exchange re ratings -

NRL fan - "It's your post, what isn't entirely correct about the stats you have put up showing the NRL total TV average smashing the AFL total TV average?"

sportsindustry - "Averages aren't everything. In terms of average ratings though, the post is correct. The issue is that this doesn't reflect total audience properly...and now we have reach to try and address that"

This assuredly cannot be the same bloke who insists on L.U. that "The new reach standard sucks".

The sportsindustry Twitter page also notes a strong AFL fondness for Reach. As though discerning the tiniest tinge of vested interest. Fair to wonder whether an Adelaide-based Carlton fan might be similarly susceptible to unconscious bias.

What a tangled web we weave.......

 

[Frank Burge]

Excerpt from another thought-provoking Twitter exchange re ratings -

NRL fan - "It's your post, what isn't entirely correct about the stats you have put up showing the NRL total TV average smashing the AFL total TV average?"

sportsindustry - "Averages aren't everything. In terms of average ratings though, the post is correct. The issue is that this doesn't reflect total audience properly...and now we have reach to try and address that"

This assuredly cannot be the same bloke who insists on L.U. that "The new reach standard sucks".

The sportsindustry Twitter page also notes a strong AFL fondness for Reach. As though discerning the tiniest tinge of vested interest. Fair to wonder whether an Adelaide-based Carlton fan might be similarly susceptible to unconscious bias.

That was I, appreciate the work he puts in but couldn’t scroll past that without commenting.

 

[Wb1234]

Excerpt from another thought-provoking Twitter exchange re ratings -

NRL fan - "It's your post, what isn't entirely correct about the stats you have put up showing the NRL total TV average smashing the AFL total TV average?"

sportsindustry - "Averages aren't everything. In terms of average ratings though, the post is correct. The issue is that this doesn't reflect total audience properly...and now we have reach to try and address that"

This assuredly cannot be the same bloke who insists on L.U. that "The new reach standard sucks".

The sportsindustry Twitter page also notes a strong AFL fondness for Reach. As though discerning the tiniest tinge of vested interest. Fair to wonder whether an Adelaide-based Carlton fan might be similarly susceptible to unconscious bias.

Sports industry with an afl bias ?

im shocked!

this is why it’s so good having a rugby league source now putting together the figures

he shows the afl getting smashed

 

[Wb1234]

Not including nz or foxsports which would add another five million

anybody who doesn’t show this picture is “reach”ing

 

[The_Wookie]

Sports industry with an afl bias ?

im shocked!

this is why it’s so good having a rugby league source now putting together the figures

he shows the afl getting smashed

its the same f**king data. With the exception being i wont invent an incorrect AFL narrative based on obsolete data.

 

[The_Wookie]

Excerpt from another thought-provoking Twitter exchange re ratings -

NRL fan - "It's your post, what isn't entirely correct about the stats you have put up showing the NRL total TV average smashing the AFL total TV average?"

sportsindustry - "Averages aren't everything. In terms of average ratings though, the post is correct. The issue is that this doesn't reflect total audience properly...and now we have reach to try and address that"

I note that in terms of averages its correct,

I dont like the use of reach, neither do i believe that averages address the difference in match length. Hence the "try and address part".

This assuredly cannot be the same bloke who insists on L.U. that "The new reach standard sucks".

Ive insisted that it sucks on Bigfooty as well, and copped considerable grief there for it.

The sportsindustry Twitter page also notes a strong AFL fondness for Reach.

It does not such thing.

As though discerning the tiniest tinge of vested interest. Fair to wonder whether an Adelaide-based Carlton fan might be similarly susceptible to unconscious bias.

Fair to wonder whether a forum full of league fans is going to think that someone who has never denied being an AFL fan is going to be susceptible to bias

 

[The_Wookie]

What a tangled web we weave.......

its amazing what people can read into statements.

 

[The_Wookie]

Fox BVOD Live Ratings
Channel	Match	Audience	Minutes	Reach	Length
Fox Sports 506	LIVE: MOTORSPORT: F1: AUSTRALIA RACE	312,000	37,394,000	537,000	120
Fox League	LIVE: NRL: KNIGHTS V STORM	285,000	29,895,000	483,000	105
FOX FOOTY	LIVE: AFL: ESSENDON V ST KILDA	270,000	41,064,000	547,000	152
Fox League	LIVE: NRL: DRAGONS V SEA EAGLES	269,000	28,813,000	457,000	107
Fox League	LIVE: NRL: TITANS V DOLPHINS	267,000	29,869,000	461,000	112
Fox League	LIVE: NRL: BRONCOS V COWBOYS	260,000	28,070,000	394,000	108
FOX FOOTY	LIVE: AFL: BRISBANE V COLLINGWOOD	245,000	40,394,000	484,000	165
Fox League	LIVE: NRL: RABBITOHS V BULLDOGS	238,000	27,871,000	379,000	117
FOX FOOTY	LIVE: AFL: RICHMOND V PORT ADELAIDE	235,000	37,147,000	504,000	158
Fox League	LIVE: NRL: EELS V SEA EAGLES	233,000	26,850,000	391,000	115
Fox League	LIVE: NRL: ROOSTERS V PANTHERS	231,000	26,325,000	375,000	114
FOX FOOTY	LIVE: AFL: FREMANTLE V ADELAIDE	230,000	34,575,000	434,000	150
FOX FOOTY	LIVE: AFL: NORTH MELBOURNE V CARLTON	222,000	37,514,000	410,000	169
FOX FOOTY	LIVE: AFL: PORT ADELAIDE V MELBOURNE	211,000	34,825,000	299,000	165
FOX FOOTY	LIVE: AFL: WEST COAST V GWS	156,000	24,398,000	380,000	156