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2024 TV and Streaming Ratings Discussion

The_Wookie

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So the ad market hasn’t moved since 2020 but yet despite that it wasn’t an impediment to an apparently good afl deal ? Lol

Thinktv is a fairly unbiased source. Also Fun fact, you know what period reported the biggest ad spend in the last 6 years? 2022 - the same year the AFL signed its 4.5b deal.

The total TV advertising market, which includes metropolitan free-to-air, regional free-to-air, subscription TV and Broadcaster Video on Demand (BVOD) and excludes SBS, recorded combined revenue of $4.3 billion for the year to June 2022, which was up 11 per cent compared to the same period ending June 2021.

That report is a month before the AFL signed on for 4.5b over 7 years,

And again what impact does it have on pay tv which provides 80 percent of the money

You think the commercial partnerships that Foxtel has are insignificant, while they arent going to be a significant as subscription dollars, they would still be a big part, but the bigger issue will be the sale of Foxtel if it proceeds.

And then theres the trifling matter of financial impediments at all three commercial fta broadcasters at the minute.

Sorry I’m backing Andrew abdo here the journo was a flog

Abdo never said the journo was a flog. Said that he felt the AFR was unfair in its reporting of the NRL. Thats not the same thing.
 

Wb1234

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Thinktv is a fairly unbiased source. Also Fun fact, you know what period reported the biggest ad spend in the last 6 years? 2022 - the same year the AFL signed its 4.5b deal.





You think the commercial partnerships that Foxtel has are insignificant, while they arent going to be a significant as subscription dollars, they would still be a big part, but the bigger issue will be the sale of Foxtel if it proceeds.

And then theres the trifling matter of financial impediments at all three commercial fta broadcasters at the minute.



Abdo never said the journo was a flog. Said that he felt the AFR was unfair in its reporting of the NRL. Thats not the same thing.
No I said the journo was a flog

Abdo called him out for basically accusing him of lieing about the figures

It’s obvious the person who wrote it doesn’t want to see league do a bigger deal than the afl
 

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No I have this from the journo who wrote the article in the AFR.
Why is a journo for the afr contacting you for information instead of the networks themselves? You run a twitter account that compiles publicly available data, surely the fin review could borrow Nine’s password for their OzTAM subscription?
 

titoelcolombiano

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I also think the Melbourne numbers are a big positive. For all the talk about how AFL is taking over QLD and NSW the storm have done quite well building up solid crowds and ratings.
A fact you won't hear the media go on about AT ALL unlike the "Swannies"
Jacko, are you going to continue giving ratings updates ? Comparing the league internationals to the Aussie Rules internationals ?
I'm keen to hear his take on the NRL's big win over the entire season
 

The_Wookie

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Why is a journo for the afr contacting you for information instead of the networks themselves? You run a twitter account that compiles publicly available data, surely the fin review could borrow Nine’s password for their OzTAM subscription?
Twitter account is followed by a lot of journos, club and game officials. And Im an easily approachable dude. Or something.
 

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Twitter account is followed by a lot of journos, club and game officials. And Im an easily approachable dude. Or something.
I’m sure you are, but there are better sources of information for a journalist to use, particularly for the fin review. I don’t think you claim to be wholly accurate given you are only using publicly available data, which is now even more limited.

I don’t see you cited in this article, are they offical oztam numbers as has been cited, or are they numbers you have provided as compiled by publicly available OzTAM ratings reports?
 
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NRL chief executive Andrew Abdo says rugby league is the most-watched sport in Australia. The viewership results of Sunday’s grand final suggest otherwise – but still, he may be right.
For the past nine years, the final clash of the AFL season has out-rated its NRL counterpart on TV. The Penrith Panthers’ 14-6 victory on Sunday over the Melbourne Storm, which secured their fourth straight premiership, had an average audience of 3.4 million people. The week before, 4.06 million people tuned in for the Brisbane Lions’ drubbing of the Sydney Swans.
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Ivan and Nathan Cleary after winning their fourth premiership. Getty Images
More people watched the NRL online, despite the smaller overall audience. Data from television measurement firm OzTAM shows 762,000 people streamed the game on TV app 9Now, versus the 654,000 on the Seven Network’s 7plus for the AFL. This means a steadily increasing 22.3 per cent of the NRL’s free-to-air audience is streaming, compared to 16 per cent for the AFL grand final. The rest of the AFL season wasn’t available on 7plus.
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NRL chief executive Andrew Abdo. Kate Geraghty
More than 5.3 million people tuned in for at least a minute across the entire NRL final, versus 6.1 million for the AFL (a figure known as “reach”). On average, a little over 1.6 million people stayed for the NRL Grand Final’s post-match ceremony, while 1.7 million watched Aussie pop star The Kid Laroi’s pre-game performance. Penrith won Sunday’s game before 80,156 people at Sydney’s Accor Stadium, etching their name in history as the third team to win four straight trophies.



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Since February, Mr Abdo and the NRL have been saying rugby league has a higher viewership than any other sporting code.
“The 2024 NRL season is the most watched and attended season in Rugby League history,” he said on Monday. “Fans have responded to the amazing football which has translated into more people playing and watching the game than ever before.”
He says this past NRL season had a total of 153.7 million viewers, compared to the AFL’s 140.3 million – figures achieved by combining free-to-air and streaming audiences for every game. The AFL declined to comment.

These comparisons matter because the NRL is about to embark on an epic pitch for more money as it gears up to sell its broadcast rights for the years after 2027, when the current deal with Nine Entertainment and Foxtel expires.
Nine is the ASX-listed company that owns the Nine Network, streaming service Stan, radio stations 2GB and 3AW, and publishing titles including The Sydney Morning Herald and The Australian Financial Review. Foxtel is controlled by News Corp and owns a pay TV business and streaming platforms Kayo Sports and Binge.

Mr Abdo wants to improve the NRL’s current agreement, and is arguing the NRL outscores its rivals in sheer numbers. In 2022, the AFL scored a seven-year, $4.5 billion deal for its media rights from Seven and Foxtel in 2022. That deal was struck before advertising by wagering firms around sport was in doubt and before corporate Australia collectively pulled back on its advertising spend in a cost of living crisis.
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With so much at stake cutting through the spin can be difficult. An analysis of the official numbers suggests they might be smaller than claimed by head office. But Mr Abdo might still have a point on who is the biggest.
There were 207 games in the AFL season, plus nine finals matches – 216 in total. Of the main season, 77 games were aired on Seven with an average audience of 547,000 people. Foxtel’s streaming platforms broadcast all the games except the grand final. Including viewers on Foxtel’s streaming platforms (and not pay TV viewers, which aren’t reported), the AFL had 106.7 million views for AFL games in 2024.
There were 204 games in the NRL season, followed by nine matches in the finals – 213 in total. Nine aired 86 games from the main season of 27 rounds, with an average audience of 521,600 people. It then aired the eight finals plus the grand final. Again, Foxtel’s streaming platform has all games except the grand final.
With Foxtel’s streaming audience included, and not the pay TV viewers, the NRL had 112 million views for its games in the 2024 season, not including the three State of Origin matches. On this scale, the NRL is winning.
Not even sure this is accurate given the AFL have multiple games broadcast into local markets concurrently on FTA. The broadcasts may be averaging 547,000 but the games aren’t. In contrast, all FTA NRL games are broadcast nationally.
 
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The_Wookie

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I’m sure you are, but there are better sources of information for a journalist to use, particularly for the fin review. I don’t think you claim to be wholly accurate given you are only using publicly available data, which is now even more limited.

I don’t see you cited in this article, are they offical oztam numbers as has been cited, or are they numbers you have provided as compiled by publicly available OzTAM ratings reports?

Dude at this point I dont think it matters what I have to say. You dont think im worth shit on this subject. I get it. Have a good night.
 

The_Wookie

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Not even sure this is accurate given the AFL have multiple games broadcast into local markets concurrently on FTA. The broadcasts may be averaging 547,000 but the games aren’t. In contrast, all FTA NRL games are broadcast nationally.

I could answer this, but you can always just write to oztam or the broadcasters and find out.
 

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