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2025 Origin 1 - Wed 28 May - QLD 6-18 NSW @ Suncorp

Who wins game one?


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JamesRustle

First Grade
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Following on fram last year's convincing series win, I had the Blues locked in for another series win.

It is only now hitting home that I need to re-assess, solely base on Daley as coach.

Daley as coach of NSW - 5 years (2013-2017), 15 games for 6 wins and 9 losses.
2013 - QLD wins 8th series in a row (NSW win game 1 at home 14-6, QLD wins game 2 at home 26-6 and game 3 away 12-10)

2014 - NSW wins series (NSW win game 1 away 12-8, NSW wins game 2 at home 6-4 and QLD wins game 3 at home 32-8). Daley would have continued with Pearce in the halves until drunken misbehaviour forced him to change. Cronk left the field early in game 1 with QLD leading. His return for game 3 was telling.

2015 - QLD wins series (QLD win game 1 away 11-10, NSW wins game 2 at MCG 26-18 and QLD wins game 3 at home 52-6). Pearce played all 3 games in the halves.

2016 - QLD wins series (QLD win game 1 away 6-4, QLD wins game 2 at home 26-16 and NSW wins game 3 at home 18-14). Kevvie first year as coach, is damning.

2017 - QLD wins series (NSW win game 1 away 28-4, QLD wins game 2 away 18-16 and QLD wins game 3 at home 22-6). Kevvie trumps Daley.. again... wow. NSW has unchanged team for 3 games in the first time for a very long time as Daley positions them as an emerging gernational side.

Finally Daley is punted... 15 games... scoring under 10 in 6 games and more than 16 in 3 games (QLD under 10 in 5 games and over 16 in 7 games). Average points per game was 12.4 to QLD's 17.3 and highest score was 26 to QLD's 52.

Daley does have a winning record in Game 1 of the series he coached, winning 3 of 5 (loses were 11-10 and 6-4), but QLD have won 5 of the last 6 series openers.

Daley has a record of sticking with incumbents, making change only when forced. In all the noise of this year's selections, it has gone unnoticed that he has stuck with 16 of the 17 that Fitler picked last year.

Based on all that, plus the high probability that Slater has better tactics than Daley, I think QLD get up in game 1, 18-12. Hammer and Trell to score and I'm taking the unders.

Daley has not done any other coaching except for some all stars stuff, so I can't see how he could have developed as a coach. I can only hope Bellamy is the real coach of NSW and can get us up to win the series.
 

BadnMean

Juniors
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1,229
Following on fram last year's convincing series win, I had the Blues locked in for another series win.

It is only now hitting home that I need to re-assess, solely base on Daley as coach.

Daley as coach of NSW - 5 years (2013-2017), 15 games for 6 wins and 9 losses.
2013 - QLD wins 8th series in a row (NSW win game 1 at home 14-6, QLD wins game 2 at home 26-6 and game 3 away 12-10)

2014 - NSW wins series (NSW win game 1 away 12-8, NSW wins game 2 at home 6-4 and QLD wins game 3 at home 32-8). Daley would have continued with Pearce in the halves until drunken misbehaviour forced him to change. Cronk left the field early in game 1 with QLD leading. His return for game 3 was telling.

2015 - QLD wins series (QLD win game 1 away 11-10, NSW wins game 2 at MCG 26-18 and QLD wins game 3 at home 52-6). Pearce played all 3 games in the halves.

2016 - QLD wins series (QLD win game 1 away 6-4, QLD wins game 2 at home 26-16 and NSW wins game 3 at home 18-14). Kevvie first year as coach, is damning.

2017 - QLD wins series (NSW win game 1 away 28-4, QLD wins game 2 away 18-16 and QLD wins game 3 at home 22-6). Kevvie trumps Daley.. again... wow. NSW has unchanged team for 3 games in the first time for a very long time as Daley positions them as an emerging gernational side.

Finally Daley is punted... 15 games... scoring under 10 in 6 games and more than 16 in 3 games (QLD under 10 in 5 games and over 16 in 7 games). Average points per game was 12.4 to QLD's 17.3 and highest score was 26 to QLD's 52.

Daley does have a winning record in Game 1 of the series he coached, winning 3 of 5 (loses were 11-10 and 6-4), but QLD have won 5 of the last 6 series openers.

Daley has a record of sticking with incumbents, making change only when forced. In all the noise of this year's selections, it has gone unnoticed that he has stuck with 16 of the 17 that Fitler picked last year.

Based on all that, plus the high probability that Slater has better tactics than Daley, I think QLD get up in game 1, 18-12. Hammer and Trell to score and I'm taking the unders.

Daley has not done any other coaching except for some all stars stuff, so I can't see how he could have developed as a coach. I can only hope Bellamy is the real coach of NSW and can get us up to win the series.

I don't think you have considered that Daley is a New South Welshman, coaching New South Welshmen when previously even though he was coach of New South Wales, there was opposition who were not New South Welshmen in the game. You forget that.

Some of the points you raise also involve people who were from places other than NEw South Wales. So yeah pull your head in, Daley is NSW coach and will be coaching New South Welshmen with pashun. How dare you!
 

King hit

Coach
Messages
14,216
Following on fram last year's convincing series win, I had the Blues locked in for another series win.

It is only now hitting home that I need to re-assess, solely base on Daley as coach.

Daley as coach of NSW - 5 years (2013-2017), 15 games for 6 wins and 9 losses.
2013 - QLD wins 8th series in a row (NSW win game 1 at home 14-6, QLD wins game 2 at home 26-6 and game 3 away 12-10)

2014 - NSW wins series (NSW win game 1 away 12-8, NSW wins game 2 at home 6-4 and QLD wins game 3 at home 32-8). Daley would have continued with Pearce in the halves until drunken misbehaviour forced him to change. Cronk left the field early in game 1 with QLD leading. His return for game 3 was telling.

2015 - QLD wins series (QLD win game 1 away 11-10, NSW wins game 2 at MCG 26-18 and QLD wins game 3 at home 52-6). Pearce played all 3 games in the halves.

2016 - QLD wins series (QLD win game 1 away 6-4, QLD wins game 2 at home 26-16 and NSW wins game 3 at home 18-14). Kevvie first year as coach, is damning.

2017 - QLD wins series (NSW win game 1 away 28-4, QLD wins game 2 away 18-16 and QLD wins game 3 at home 22-6). Kevvie trumps Daley.. again... wow. NSW has unchanged team for 3 games in the first time for a very long time as Daley positions them as an emerging gernational side.

Finally Daley is punted... 15 games... scoring under 10 in 6 games and more than 16 in 3 games (QLD under 10 in 5 games and over 16 in 7 games). Average points per game was 12.4 to QLD's 17.3 and highest score was 26 to QLD's 52.

Daley does have a winning record in Game 1 of the series he coached, winning 3 of 5 (loses were 11-10 and 6-4), but QLD have won 5 of the last 6 series openers.

Daley has a record of sticking with incumbents, making change only when forced. In all the noise of this year's selections, it has gone unnoticed that he has stuck with 16 of the 17 that Fitler picked last year.

Based on all that, plus the high probability that Slater has better tactics than Daley, I think QLD get up in game 1, 18-12. Hammer and Trell to score and I'm taking the unders.

Daley has not done any other coaching except for some all stars stuff, so I can't see how he could have developed as a coach. I can only hope Bellamy is the real coach of NSW and can get us up to win the series.
To be fair he isn’t up against the invincibles this time. The scenario now is the complete opposite. Bellamy can f**k off those origin teams were the worst I’ve ever seen. It’s bizarre how no one remembers this. If it wasn’t for Jarryd Hayne we are whitewashed back to back.
 

JamesRustle

First Grade
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To be fair he isn’t up against the invincibles this time. The scenario now is the complete opposite. Bellamy can f**k off those origin teams were the worst I’ve ever seen. It’s bizarre how no one remembers this. If it wasn’t for Jarryd Hayne we are whitewashed back to back.
Invincibles.. f**k off... QLD had a great team, but NSW coaches, selectors and tacticians helped gift 9 series in a row through lack of imagination and taking low risk approach to selections and game plans. We didn't try to beat them. We tried to impliment a boring low risk high defensive approach. QLD knew if they could score 12 points, they'd beat us more often than not.

Remains to be seen, but I'll be surprised if Daley inspires this team to play attacking footy and have the nous to adjust on the run. As I said previously, Bellamy is the wildcard to NSW succeeding. He was an ordinary Origin coach himself, but has honed his craft and adapted multiple times since then. There is no doubt in my mind that we are relying on Bellamy for tactics.
 

speedster

Bench
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3,785
Daley is going to Mal his way through this time round. Mal was the man-manager and CEO-type "coach" but had Hagan and other actual coaches doing the actual coaching.

That's what persuaded the board to give Daley another chance. He had the Bellamy card in his pocket because every New South Welshman and their blue heeler wanted Bellyache to have another crack at it except for the fact that he's still coaching an NRL side. This is how we got around that.

Forget about Daley. Bellamy is the brains behind it all and he knows a bit about Billy's mind too. Daley is there to be the face and do the media stuff.

And Bellamy's first stint as Blues coach was a million years ago and no longer relevant except to say it's something he'd like corrected on his resume, even as an assistant coach. He's a super coach and future immortal. He will get a Blues win on his resume too. No doubt at all, whether it's this year or next. I'll tip it will be this year.
 
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