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2025 Pacific Championships - 18 Oct to 9 Nov

Manu Vatuvei

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What he did for Tonga is great for rugby league

The crowd today was at least 80 percent Tongan supporters

How does the first line relate to the second? Believe it or not I don’t find it a wonderful thing to get 20% support at my team’s home game. That represents a catastrophic drop off in Kiwi fan attendance and a catastrophic increase in dickhead Kiwis wanting us to lose.
 

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But anyway *deep breath*…well done Kiwis. I don’t have a lot of faith in Stacey but there must be a massive gulf in the quality of coaching and the overall team spirit between the two camps.
 
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How does the first line relate to the second? Believe it or not I don’t find it a wonderful thing to get 20% support at my team’s home game. That represents a catastrophic drop off in Kiwi fan attendance and a catastrophic increase in dickhead Kiwis wanting us to lose.

Did the NZRL do anything by way of promotion/marketing? Samoa and Tonga had some fantastic initiatives the past few weeks. NZRL seems to be missing the opportunity to piggyback the Islands' popularity right now. 38k is a great result, especially in shithole like Eden Park. 99% of fans traveling from the South and West, and I'd imagine the remainder of people who haven't been pushed out of the inner West yet.

40k stadium downtown, it sells out easy.
 

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Did the NZRL do anything by way of promotion/marketing? Samoa and Tonga had some fantastic initiatives the past few weeks. NZRL seems to be missing the opportunity to piggyback the Islands' popularity right now. 38k is a great result, especially in shithole like Eden Park. 99% of fans traveling from the South and West, and I'd imagine the remainder of people who haven't been pushed out of the inner West yet.

40k stadium downtown, it sells out easy.

I genuinely just don't understand how you sell it or who you sell it to. Rugby league in Auckland is a Pasifika game and Samoa/Tonga have that fan base now, previously that was the core of the Kiwis fanbase.

Other than that you're trying to sell people (who are not really the core fanbase of the sport) on an "away fan" experience in their own city. Maybe there's a precedent for this being a thing somewhere but honestly I think it's a pretty unusual scenario and a bit of hard sell.

Another reason that comes to mind - there's so much goodwill around Kiwi-Tongans and Kiwi-Samoans supporting their teams that it creates a very weird vibe around other Kiwis going along to the game and hoping they lose. I mean, I don't feel that way (from the bottom of my heart, f**k Tonga), but the whole thing sort of feels like it's their show and beating them is like kicking a puppy or something. Ultimately all the fans on both sides are just Kiwis and so it doesn't function properly as a rivalry.

The flow on is also that with so many of the core Kiwis fans now identifying as Tonga or Samoa fans, obviously we are going to struggle to get the crowds we used to even against different opponents e.g. Kiwis v Kangaroos.
 
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Yeah you're pretty spot-on there mate.

We just don't seem to have the "stars" either, as they're playing for the other teams. Leka, The Katoas, Luai etc. who fifteen years ago would have been Kiwis. Kini and McLean are two of the blokes I'd be pushing to the moon (to borrow a phrase from wrestling) if I were the media team at NZRL. It just seems like the Kiwis aren't 'cool' for the younger ones either. I dunno, kinda chucking sh.. against the wall here with my thoughts!

There's also massive disengagement with the regions, partly by not playing here, but I feel it's been like this forever. I'm a South Aucklander who lives in a union region, and people do watch league here, they just don't support the Warriors or the Kiwis, because to be honest they aren't connected.

Massive opportunities here, as league is definitely the game the kids get around on socials etc. Union isn't cool. It's washed, the players are silenced, the production is sterile and the game is boring. The major First XV game in this region draws more than NPC or Super fixtures do, and you can bet these kids all follow league players on socials.

I'm stoked international league is getting the coverage, and getting the games, and the colour and excitement. As I said to a mate yesterday, yes they don't sell out Eden Park - but 38k leaguies are making 50k unionists look like sh.. right now. But fk it'd be good to see a few more black jerseys in the crowd. I'm going to make a point of going to the next lot of games we have in NZ (whenever that is...which by the way is part of the problem too!). I went to the 08 WC final, we did all 4 games at the 2010 4N. Had the best time!
 

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